DC Designs F-15C/E/I Eagle package

[DC1973]

Hi folks, hope everybody is well and coping with the global shut down!

I thought that this might be a good time to post some images of the new project - I tried earlier but it wouldn't work, but have now solved the problems I've been having with the site. All pictures are WIP of course, along with animations. Projected launch date, if all goes well, will be May 1st 2020. Once again, this will not be a study level airplane but instead be aimed at those who want to enjoy flying rather than button pushing - that said, it'll look and handle as close to the real thing as I can manage.

Enjoy, and I'll be posting updates here more often now that everything appears to be working again

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[ZsoltB]

:applause::jump::ernaehrung004:

[stovall]

Things just get better and better. Really looking forward to the F-15C.

[Victory103]

Great job on the modelling and keeping with your "get in and fly" concept. Is the Mud Hen coming with full backseat VC like your -18F/G Bugs?

[huub vink]

I already foresee some repaints. 32 Tactical Fighter Squadron was based at Soesterberg, Netherlands during the cold war. The last aircraft they flew from Soesterberg was the F-15. (And I was there as well).

It was a sort of weird reason the USAF did send 32TFS to the Netherlands, but they were very welcome and stayed for for 40 years (1954-1994)

Cheers,
Huub

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[RS]

:encouragement::encouragement::encouragement:

SHOP:running:

[DC1973]

Great job on the modelling and keeping with your "get in and fly" concept. Is the Mud Hen coming with full backseat VC like your -18F/G Bugs?

Yep, the full treatment for the WSO position, with fully functional MFDs right from the outset this time.

[DC1973]

I already foresee some repaints. 32 Tactical Fighter Squadron was based at Soesterberg, Netherlands during the cold war. The last aircraft they flew from Soesterberg was the F-15. (And I was there as well).

It was a sort of weird reason the USAF did send 32TFS to the Netherlands, but they were very welcome and stayed for for 40 years (1954-1994)

Cheers,
Huub



Those were some great schemes on the "A" model! I'm sticking strictly to "C" version schemes with the package, but once again a paint kit will be included for repainters to enjoy :)

[huub vink]

Those were some great schemes on the "A" model! I'm sticking strictly to "C" version schemes with the package, but once again a paint kit will be included for repainters to enjoy :)

The first F15 they, which replaced the F4 Phantoms in 1978 at Soesterberg was indeed the A version. But somewhere they received the C version (already before 1981). The last version they flew from Soesterberg in 1994 was the D version..... (from 1989 onwards).

Cheers,
Huub

Luckily we still have the pictures: https://nimh-beeldbank.defensie.nl/foto-s/detail/3868ab1c-ab92-2afe-6a3b-7d3591f3a175

[DaleRFU]

Looks great, really looking forward to these birds...long overdue the F-15s. Any plans for the D version too?

[DC1973]

Looks great, really looking forward to these birds...long overdue the F-15s. Any plans for the D version too?

No plans for a D model I'm afraid, at least not at the moment. I have to keep the projects manageable - still, I'll have a quick look at the shapes as it might be possible to convert the E back into a D without too much trouble given the considerable similarity between the versions.

ETA: We have a plan for this now, leave it in my capables :jump:

[Sundog]

In the future, not now, maybe a year or so down the road, I would love to see a payware F-15EX (It would have to be a separate pay package because of all of the changes). The EX has a cockpit similar to the F-35, with large area displays, and it uses the outboard wing pylon station since it has fly by wire as well. Just saying. I'm happy with the package you're releasing.

BTW, for the F-15I, also maybe in the future, include the satellite up-link antenna (small dome) behind the cockpit. It's just a cool feature.

Thanks,
Ken

[DC1973]

In the future, not now, maybe a year or so down the road, I would love to see a payware F-15EX (It would have to be a separate pay package because of all of the changes). The EX has a cockpit similar to the F-35, with large area displays, and it uses the outboard wing pylon station since it has fly by wire as well. Just saying. I'm happy with the package you're releasing.

BTW, for the F-15I, also maybe in the future, include the satellite up-link antenna (small dome) behind the cockpit. It's just a cool feature.

Thanks,
Ken

A bit like this one? :wavey: The "I" Eagles will also have feathered exhausts when they're finished, unlike the USAF C and E models.

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[DennyA]

Add my vote for a "D" model, if it would be reasonable. It's the one fighter jet I've actually flown in, so it would be awesome to recreate the back-seat experience. :)

[tommieboy]

....The "I" Eagles will also have feathered exhausts when they're finished, unlike the USAF C and E models...

:encouragement::encouragement:

Tommy

[Priller]

With the C-model Eagle, this is a sure buy for me!!

I concur with Huub: CR tailcodes (and BT) would be greatly appreciated!

Both Bitburg and Soesterberg used the C-models, and both are/were iconic in the cold war period!

Priller

[DC1973]

With the C-model Eagle, this is a sure buy for me!!

I concur with Huub: CR tailcodes (and BT) would be greatly appreciated!

Both Bitburg and Soesterberg used the C-models, and both are/were iconic in the cold war period!

Priller

I'll add them to the list. In many ways, the F-15s are easier to texture than many types as they often shared the same base colours, so hopefully I can include quite a few textures without incurring too much extra work.

[DC1973]

Add my vote for a "D" model, if it would be reasonable. It's the one fighter jet I've actually flown in, so it would be awesome to recreate the back-seat experience. :)

The "D" is confirmed as definitely being part of the package, but it may be released a little after the initial main launch depending on how Just Flight want to play it - sounds a bit cryptic I know but they have some pretty cool ideas so I'm going with the flow at the moment.

[Priller]

I'll add them to the list. In many ways, the F-15s are easier to texture than many types as they often shared the same base colours, so hopefully I can include quite a few textures without incurring too much extra work.

You know, if you just include a paintkit, I'm pretty sure that the talented repainters will have a ball with this pack!! ;)

Priller

[Sundog]

Oh awesome, you are including the satellite up link. I'm going to have to paint one of these in in Rebel Forces colors and give that satellite up link cover an R2D2 paint scheme. :biggrin-new:

[DennyA]

The "D" is confirmed as definitely being part of the package, but it may be released a little after the initial main launch depending on how Just Flight want to play it - sounds a bit cryptic I know but they have some pretty cool ideas so I'm going with the flow at the moment.
That's awesome news!

And a little Eagle mystery is fine. :) Won't compare to pulling 7.8Gs, but it'll still be fun to relive the visuals of this experience!

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[dhazelgrove]

Please don't forget the F-15J -- one of the prettiest variants, based on the F-15C. See here (http://www.flightinfo.jp/pom/), and click 'Repaint' on the left.

Dave

[rohan]

Please don't forget the F-15J -- one of the prettiest variants, based on the F-15C. See here (http://www.flightinfo.jp/pom/), and click 'Repaint' on the left.

Dave

Oh, yes, please, please, please - +1000 votes !!!

[roger-wilco-66]

Wow, good to hear from you!

Great images!

Cheers,
Mark

[DaleRFU]

Fantastic stuff to hear the D is in.

as for the J, what are the external differences between the J and C?

[hschuit]

Fantastic stuff to hear the D is in.

as for the J, what are the external differences between the J and C?

Not much I think, J's do not have the left tailfin RWR housing and they still have the classic F-15A/C straight antenna blades under the nose.

[Sundog]

Fantastic stuff to hear the D is in.

as for the J, what are the external differences between the J and C?

Mostly much more interesting Anniversary paint schemes. Which is why I'm glad the D will be added to the package, because the JASDF uses the two seaters for their aggressors which also wear some cool paint schemes. Oh, and the latest J upgrades also include an IRST in front of the windscreen. But I'm not too worried about that. All of the great repainters here are going to have an excellent pallette to work with given what's planned now. :very_drunk:

[DC1973]

The Eagles package will come with a paint kit like the Super Hornets, so repaints will be available for all versions - I'm going to do around nine to come with the package, the rest I shall leave to our hugely talented community. The "J" versions are so similar to the "C" that I don't think I'll be creating a dedicated version for them.

Just some test images - working with the speculars to improve metallic areas on the F-15C at the moment. PBR is being held back for the FS2020 versions, when the time comes, so that it's easier for me to release these on the current platforms. And some tom foolery with the avatars in P3D v4 :mixed-smiley-010:

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[Priller]

Please! The drool, stop the drool!! ;)

Priller

[DaleRFU]

Looks fantastic

[DC1973]

F-15C has been the test vehicle for engine / intake covers, wheel chocks and boarding ladder. The "C" model has an integral ladder which I will probably model in - I haven't been able to find an image of the "E" model using anything other than the mounted ladders, probably for the benefit of the WSO being able to get easily aboard.

All of these extras are activated with a click using the virtual cockpit pilot's interactive knee-pad - as with the Super Hornets, I'm trying to keep everything within the VC for virtual reality fans. Other goodies will include being able to raise the crew's visors and anything else that pops into my mind during the project ( maybe support vehicles etc ).

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[stovall]

Looking really good. Something to look forward to as we all fly from home. Appreciate your fantastic work.

[ZsoltB]

:applause::ernaehrung004:

[DC1973]

I'm happy to report that the F-15C external model is now pretty much complete. There are a few small things for me to do, but the hard work is out of the way and many of the more complex animated components will now be exported to the other variant models and the correct textures assigned ( especially those detailed exhaust petals ! )
I'm hoping that the external models for the other variants will be completed quite quickly now, the work mostly involving polygon smoothing / minor animation differences and of course assigning correct texture maps. From there, it's on to the virtual cockpits, for which the C model is almost complete.
So far, I'm on target for a May release.

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[Sundog]

Those previews look excellent. I can't wait to get back into the cockpit of the F-15C in flightsim. I haven't done that since the Coral release way back when. :very_drunk:

[stovall]

Splendid news. The model looks terrific. No doubt this will be a great addition. Count me in.

[Victory103]

Looking great, as far as your additions I do like the covers/RBF flags, only a nice to have for the -15E regarding the moveable visors would be NVGs at night.

[Priller]

I'm game!! I've been waiting for a decent F-15C for ages!!

Priller

[DC1973]

No words needed :mixed-smiley-010:

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[stovall]

OOOOOOOOOh, Chomping at the bit. Love the pics. Thanks!!

[mikew]

Indeed! That looks awesome! Great work.

Mike

[ZsoltB]

Is the intake manifold angle movement also modeled? :wavey:

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[DC1973]

Is the intake manifold angle movement also modeled? :wavey:



It certainly is - manually controlled upon engine start to engage the Inlet Ramps, then automatic above 150 KIAS, reacting to angle of attack and airspeed :) You can see them working in this shot, fully down as the Eagle pulls high-G toward the vertical.

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[ZsoltB]

Great!!!

Thank you the fast responding

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[DC1973]

The F-15 Eagle project is nearing completion, and will soon move to the testing phase with the Just Flight team. There's probably about one more week of work for me to do before it's handed over, mainly on the twin-seat versions virtual cockpits. All external models are now complete and I've added some selectable scenery that accompanies the airplanes to increase realism, all made visible via the crew's knee-pads.

I'll share images of the F-15E cockpit once it's ready for public viewing, hopefully later this week.

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[ZsoltB]

:applause::wavey:

[Aircanuck]

DC1973 , Have credit card in hand, hanger space has been made available .... can I be bold enough to ask what's coming next ? ...... besides a break I'm sure !!

Regards

[DC1973]

DC1973 , Have credit card in hand, hanger space has been made available .... can I be bold enough to ask what's coming next ? ...... besides a break I'm sure !!

Regards

Well, I have several aircraft in the pipeline at various stages of completion. The current release schedule for the summer, after the F-15 Eagles, doesn't actually include any military models ( yet ) but there are more military types to come later.

The next projects for release in 2020 are Concorde, for FSX / P3D all versions and FS2020, and the Grob 120 TP Prefect, a military turboprop trainer that also operates under civilian registrations. Both will be aimed at mid-level detail, with manageable systems and avionics.

Beyond the summer, development switches to P3D / FS2020 only. There are a large number of aircraft I'd like to build, predominantly military, with packages including F-14A/D Tomcats, F-16C/D Falcons, Phantom, Jaguar, Harrier and lots of vintage and WW2 aircraft. The list is too long to put here but I'm looking to model all of my favourites and make them accessible to all users rather than be study level - that's the key thing here really. There will no doubt be re-releases by other developers of most study-sim airplane models over time for FS2020, but I'm going to stick to my guns and keep the entertainment factor high, with multiple versions of each airplane in each package to make up for the lower-detail avionics and systems modeling.

I also have some sceneries I'm working on, which have been on hold since FS2020 was announced, as the presence of such great scenery out-of-the-box forced a change of business model for me. I can now confirm though that I will be releasing sceneries of airports / military air bases that other devs have overlooked.

I'll always update folks here on what I'm working on when it comes to military types, and hoepfully I'll keep getting better with each release :)

[ZsoltB]

Sounds pretty good!
Then F-15!
More accurate date?

:applause::applause::applause: :ernaehrung004:

[Aircanuck]

Awesome news , little bit of everything .... thank you ! :jump:


Regards

[wombat666]

Quite a lengthy to-do list!
And can I put my hand up for the Viper?
We need a good up to date version.
:encouragement:

[Priller]

Quite a lengthy to-do list!
And can I put my hand up for the Viper?
We need a good up to date version.
:encouragement:

*raises his hand in agreement* :jump:

Priller

[DaleRFU]

Quite a hefty todo list as mention. I like the idea of the F-16 and jaguar for sure. The Grob is a good shout too. Looking forward to them. I think Dino was going to redo his F-14 too.

[DC1973]

Almost there, just coding the display layouts to match those of the real F-15E, where references are available and tidying things up in general. Should be a wrap for the testers by the end of this week, fingers crossed!

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[Sundog]

Love the cockpit shots. I'm definitely looking forward to this release. Thanks for making so many variants. :very_drunk:

Ken

[andy277uk]

Grob 120TP sounds interesting. Practicing it's ETPS colour scheme on the DA42:

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[DC1973]

Textures for the F-15C Eagles, F-15E Eagles to follow tomorrow, Friday latest. :jump:

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[ZsoltB]

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[huub vink]

Including a Wolfshound, :encouragement:

Thanks,
Huub

[YoYo]

What is next? Maybe F-111? :wavey:
I miss him! :biggrin-new:

[stovall]

[QUOTE=DC1973;1221136]Textures for the F-15C Eagles, F-15E Eagles to follow tomorrow, Friday latest./QUOTE] Oh man, fantastic news. I will be watch closely with card in hand. Thanks for a great addition.

[DC1973]

Oh man, fantastic news. I will be watch closely with card in hand. Thanks for a great addition.

Thanks, glad you're liking them! :)

391st Fighter Wing, Bold Tigers, "Tiger Meet" 2005

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[ZsoltB]

Do you know the release date?

[DC1973]

Do you know the release date?

This month, but no set day yet.

[ZsoltB]

This month, but no set day yet.

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Thank you!

[jim]

Gotta have; Mass. Natl. Guard 104th Fighter Sqn. Can we get it?

[DC1973]

Gotta have; Mass. Natl. Guard 104th Fighter Sqn. Can we get it?

I'm getting about 3 - 5 requests per day for various squadrons and of course simply can't do them all. However, the Eagles will come with a paint kit so I'm certain that repainting fans will start producing textures soon after launch in the same way that they have for the Super Hornets, which already have dozens of repaints available.

[ZsoltB]

Does the package include the paintkit?

[DC1973]

Finito! :encouragement:

Modeling complete, manual written, coding and testing finished. Final compile will be completed over the weekend once it's confirmed there are no more bugs to fix, and then the Eagles will be released according to Just Flight's schedule. I'll post here once they're available.

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[delta_lima]

Finito! :encouragement:

Modeling complete, manual written, coding and testing finished. Final compile will be completed over the weekend once it's confirmed there are no more bugs to fix, and then the Eagles will be released according to Just Flight's schedule. I'll post here once they're available.

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Looks nice, Dean.

Does the E/F/G Hornet use the same or similar AB/reheat effect you're showing here for the F-15? I like the look of this one a bit more than the older pics/vids I've seen of that project. Yet I'm eager to get it, so if there's a chance to tweak that one's AB, I'm a sold customer.

For me, it's always (and almost only) about naval birds, so the '15 isn't quite my bag, but I've watched the vids and been closely watching the project unfold just for interest sake. It looks gorgeous, and I hope it does really well for you. Who knows, if either a C prototype or NASA repaint emerges, it just might push me over the edge. Zero interest in the E, but I could imagine springing for sake of getting the C.

Congrats in advance,

dl

[DC1973]

Looks nice, Dean.

Does the E/F/G Hornet use the same or similar AB/reheat effect you're showing here for the F-15? I like the look of this one a bit more than the older pics/vids I've seen of that project. Yet I'm eager to get it, so if there's a chance to tweak that one's AB, I'm a sold customer.


The Hornet's afterburners aren't as nice as those with the F-15, but it's only a texture issue - they can be altered by anybody who wants to improve them. I'm going to be updating the Hornets later this year, and the burners will match those of the F-15 when it's done. All part of the learning and, hopefully, improving process for me :)

[delta_lima]

The Hornet's afterburners aren't as nice as those with the F-15, but it's only a texture issue - they can be altered by anybody who wants to improve them. I'm going to be updating the Hornets later this year, and the burners will match those of the F-15 when it's done. All part of the learning and, hopefully, improving process for me :)

That's totally fair, Dean.

Thanks again.

dl

[falcon409]

I'm getting about 3 - 5 requests per day for various squadrons and of course simply can't do them all. However, the Eagles will come with a paint kit so I'm certain that repainting fans will start producing textures soon after launch in the same way that they have for the Super Hornets, which already have dozens of repaints available.
One big reason many projects are held up beyond when they could have been released. . .developers trying to satisfy the volume of requests for specific liveries. I have always found it unnecessary really. If someone is interested in an aircraft only if they can have a specific livery then they aren't really interested. Do a couple as part of the release, let the individuals learn to do their own or wait for the masters to start cranking them out. . .if it's an "iconic" aircraft, as this one surely is, then to paraphrase a line from a great movie. . ."If you build it. . .they will paint it".

[ZsoltB]

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[DC1973]

One big reason many projects are held up beyond when they could have been released. . .developers trying to satisfy the volume of requests for specific liveries."If you build it. . .they will paint it".

Wise words :) Because my airplanes are specifically not study-level, I try to match the "value-for-money" of complex systems with lots of variants and paints with each product, plus a paint kit, to make them as complete as possible for those who buy them and for the community at large. I do try to do as much in the way of requests as I can, but you're right, the line has to be drawn somewhere.

[wombat666]

Wise words :) Because my airplanes are specifically not study-level, I try to match the "value-for-money" of complex systems with lots of variants and paints with each product, plus a paint kit, to make them as complete as possible for those who buy them and for the community at large. I do try to do as much in the way of requests as I can, but you're right, the line has to be drawn somewhere.

Perfect example of the 'If you build it they will paint it' has to be Mike's B24, at the present rate the number of repaints will end up passing those for the SOH A20 and B26...…..:encouragement:
And kudos for avoiding the often over the top complexity, I'm perfectly happy with a kick the tyres and light the fires subject.

[DC1973]

Thanks @wombat666

A quick image of the F-15E in FSX for all you die-hard legacy sim fans :) All the Eagles have now been converted.

Got to be honest though, with P3D v5 now here, X-Plane 11 performing well and FS2020 on the horizon, this may well be the last aircraft that I build that will support FSX. There are just too many platforms out there to cater to all of them.

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=76017&stc=1

[Josh Patterson]

Thanks @wombat666

A quick image of the F-15E in FSX for all you die-hard legacy sim fans :) All the Eagles have now been converted.

Got to be honest though, with P3D v5 now here, X-Plane 11 performing well and FS2020 on the horizon, this may well be the last aircraft that I build that will support FSX. There are just too many platforms out there to cater to all of them.

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=76017&stc=1 I have fun in Milviz's F-15, but it will be nice to get into a "pure" early F-15! (I'm hoping someone does the natural metal "Streak Eagle" skin for it!"

[Josh Patterson]

Yes! I like study sims too, but once in a while I just want to get out and have fun! FlyfreeSTD's Fulcrum and Flanker have been scratching that itch for a couple of weeks now! Sounds like the Eagle will be right there with them. Enough there to keep you from getting bored, but not enough to overload you! (I like the vapor sheeting effect in the pictures BTW!)

[Priller]

Thanks @wombat666

A quick image of the F-15E in FSX for all you die-hard legacy sim fans :) All the Eagles have now been converted.

Got to be honest though, with P3D v5 now here, X-Plane 11 performing well and FS2020 on the horizon, this may well be the last aircraft that I build that will support FSX. There are just too many platforms out there to cater to all of them.

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=76017&stc=1

Question: do you consider P3Dv4.5 to be a "legacy" sim?

Cheers,

Priller

[wombat666]

Good question Pips.
It made me think and IMHO it would seem to be P3Dv4+ being the finished product while P3Dv5 at this point being more or less a 'polished beta' with several bugs.Hard decision from a developer's view as to what is current and what becomes legacy as the usage is fragmented due to hardware constraints and costs. Broadly speaking I'd be looking at FSX/FSXSE, P3Dv1-3, FS9 and X-Plane pre-V11 becoming Legacy sims, despite a solid number of loyal users staying with them. Some very odd subjects developed for these earlier Sims work in P3Dv5 with minor glitches or no glitches, and just about anything for FSX/FSX/SE runs in early versions of P3Dv3, provided one is creative when it comes to pointing them in the right direction.
Random thoughts.
:encouragement:

[DC1973]

Question: do you consider P3Dv4.5 to be a "legacy" sim?

Cheers,

Priller

Well, the rumour I'm hearing is that P3D v5 may be the last publicly available version of the sim, with Lockheed Martin returning solely to the professional and military training arena. While it's only a rumour, it does make sense, given the LM EULA license restrictions and Microsoft's return to the commercial flight sim field.

While there will of course be those who continue to use it, from a purely commercial perspective FSX is dead in the same way that FS2004 is - it's had a hell of a run but it's not worth the time to support it as sales are tiny compared to P3D. X-11 holds promise for the future if they can play catch up quickly enough with FS2020. P3D v4.5 is still a viable platform but in keeping with previous practice, LM will eventually cease support for it in favour of v5. I'll support both platforms, along with FS2020 and perhaps X-Plane provided conversions are not too problematic.

I don't want to stick my neck out too far in terms of predictions, but my general feeling is that the future of entertainment-based flight simulation will be predominantly FS2020, both PC and console, with X-Plane 11 a close second place due to the loyalty of its followers. Military study-level fans will continue to migrate to DCS World and similar, with commercial air study-level fans staying with the Microsoft platform. Casual aviation-fan users, on both PC and console, will love FS2020 for both aviation and exploration due to its tremendous realism, and that market will, I hope, grow immensely over the coming years.

[Priller]

I don't want to stick my neck out too far in terms of predictions, but my general feeling is that the future of entertainment-based flight simulation will be predominantly FS2020, both PC and console, with X-Plane 11 a close second place due to the loyalty of its followers. Military study-level fans will continue to migrate to DCS World and similar, with commercial air study-level fans staying with the Microsoft platform. Casual aviation-fan users, on both PC and console, will love FS2020 for both aviation and exploration due to its tremendous realism, and that market will, I hope, grow immensely over the coming years.

Thanks for the answer. And I'm inclined to agree with you about the future of Flightsim. Didn't know that rumour about LM though. Thanks for that!

Priller

[Sundog]

Based on everything I've heard about FS2020 by people in it, just opinions, no details; I decided to skip P3DV5 (I fly V4.5) and I' am just waiting for FS2020 anyway.

[flaviossa]

Based on everything I've heard about FS2020 by people in it, just opinions, no details; I decided to skip P3DV5 (I fly V4.5) and I' am just waiting for FS2020 anyway.

Exactly my thought. Staying with my 4.5 until FS2020 reaches the shores.

[Priller]

Exactly my thought. Staying with my 4.5 until FS2020 reaches the shores.

Indeed, and if the screenshots that are posted on the site are of the stock MSFS2020, who needs addons like ORBX? We can concentrate on aircraft! ;)

But here I am, waiting on news about the Eagles with a credit card that is burning a hole in my hand!

Priller

[Sundog]

They've got the web page ready for both releases. Just waiting for the gate to open. ;)

https://www.justflight.com/product/dc-designs-f15-c-e-i-eagle-fsx-p3d-v1-v2-v3

https://www.justflight.com/product/dc-designs-f15-c-e-i-eagle-p3d-v4-v5

You can download the manual to get ready for your first flight, though. :encouragement:

[DC1973]

Indeed, and if the screenshots that are posted on the site are of the stock MSFS2020, who needs addons like ORBX? We can concentrate on aircraft! ;)

But here I am, waiting on news about the Eagles with a credit card that is burning a hole in my hand!

Priller


While I can't say too much about FS2020 for obvious NDA reasons, I can confirm that every shot you see distributed by MS and Asobo are 100% genuine in-sim shots. Everyone's gonna love it.

Just Flight have confirmed they're launching the Eagles next week - hope you enjoy them! :)

[Priller]

My last question (for today): will buyers of your airplanes get a reduction or an upgrade for when MSFS2020 releases?

Priller

[TuFun]

While I can't say too much about FS2020 for obvious NDA reasons, I can confirm that every shot you see distributed by MS and Asobo are 100% genuine in-sim shots. Everyone's gonna love it.



I second this and for obvious NDA reasons also!!!

[DC1973]

My last question (for today): will buyers of your airplanes get a reduction or an upgrade for when MSFS2020 releases?

Priller

The plan is to offer an upgrade to FS2020 either for free or for a tiny sum for the time taken to convert - it all depends on how easy Microsoft and Asobo make it to convert aircraft. My airplanes are designed to be easy to upgrade, based on the issues developers have had in the past with new simulator releases, upgrades from 32-bit to 64-bit and so on. Many devs simply didn't upgrade their aircraft at all, due to the immense complexity of re-coding and so on. It's why my airplanes avoid .dll files and using SimConnect - they should convert easily to all platforms over time.

By the way, they will mostly work out of the box with FS2020 when it is released - but the new aerodynamics won't work so they'll still "fly on rails" as per FSX and P3D. It'll take an upgrade to take advantage of the new flight physics, lighting, PBR etc etc.

[kalong]

... Many devs simply didn't upgrade their aircraft at all, due to the immense complexity of re-coding and so on. It's why my airplanes avoid .dll files and using SimConnect - they should convert easily to all platforms over time...

actually it easy to convert dll gauge from 32 bit to 64 bit. no need to re-coding entire program.

[Victory103]

@DC1973,
Just watched the promo Just Flight vids and see on your FB, but what changed in the F-15C to push for a different HUD? Regardless, all the Eagles look the part.

[FlyingsCool]

actually it easy to convert dll gauge from 32 bit to 64 bit. no need to re-coding entire program.

I think what he's talking about are all the bits that several developers wrote using Simconnect to "reprogram" FSX and P3D to add full system level modeling to the aircraft. I'm sure that programming went far beyond gauge level programming and was intimately intertwined with and around the limitations of the FSX SDK at all levels.

[DC1973]

@DC1973,
Just watched the promo Just Flight vids and see on your FB, but what changed in the F-15C to push for a different HUD? Regardless, all the Eagles look the part.

Accuracy :) The F-15C has a different HUD layout to the more modern F-15E. While I don't obviously go to study-level detail, I had the capacity to make the differing HUDs look as they're supposed to, which I felt F-15 fans would appreciate.

[DC1973]

I'm delighted to report that the F-15 Eagles package is now available from Just Flight, hope everybody enjoys them! :)

Be aware that there is an FSX ( 32-bit ) version and a P3D ( 64-bit ) version so make sure you grab the right one for you. Link is to the P3D version;

https://www.justflight.com/product/dc-designs-f15-c-e-i-eagle-p3d-v4-v5

[ZsoltB]

:ernaehrung004:

[stovall]

I have started a new thread for the DC Designs F-15C/E/I. I am closing this thread as it was a development thread. Please post your comments in the new thread. I am closing this thread. Thanks to DC Designs for a great addition to our hobby.