Nigel's AVRO series continues... here's a little peek...

[cavaricooper]

Now, at first glance this photo is decidedly ODD. What a curious place to park an AVRO 621...

https://i.imgur.com/j3eUpTc.jpg

...but, poking to look OVER the jetty it suddenly starts making sense. Instead of a 621, this happens to be the next in series (GLORIOUS SERIES), a 646 Sea Tutor!

https://i.imgur.com/ui32Ucv.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/kSICvcE.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/LrjDu28.jpg

Just when you thought this was a very good year, with Nigel's current offerings, this one "popped up". There are a few different variants to explore, and some water handling/control surface sailing skills to brush up on, but soon, very soon, I hope to tell you how this grand old lady FLIES!

Stay tuned!

Best- C

[cavaricooper]

This evening, I decided to spend a little time with K.6115 as that is the wheeled airframe I am most familiar with. Again, as ever, I turn to Orbx to create my world, and enough of it to enable my (willing) suspension of disbelief.

https://i.imgur.com/3y1FSuc.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/nzoam4G.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/h0PUwH3.jpg

C

[cavaricooper]

As is my norm in the RW when it comes to float planes, most of my time this evening was spent working out the power and control combinations necessary to achieve psuedo-control over the aeroplane on the water. In the air she's still a Tutor, albeit with a very different flight feel. The weight and drag of the floats are most apparent. Power settings needed revision to overcome the drag of two floats, and the all pervasive roll stability and longitudinal tracking tendency of a float plane are most apparent. Pull power on short final and she sinks as though she had very draggy weights suspended below her... hmmmm, I believe she DOES- wonder of wonders! There is no doubt you are flying something different- quite wonderful- but very different.

On water, be prepared to work yourself into a froth while you sniff the prevailing winds, hold appropriate aileron and pump throttle to move the nose. That done, a bit of rudder/water rudder actually flapping will work towards slowing you down. Here is where I decided to work my approach technique- you can see we are motoring into the wind, approaching the corner of the dock where the water is least crowded...

https://i.imgur.com/bEx7qDT.jpg

Then it's a matter of TINY bits of throttle and rudder flap to move the nose just so and ease up just so. That way there's enough of the float to step out on, and still reach the dock without a terribly adventurous long-jump.

https://i.imgur.com/SuFJyid.jpg

Equally importantly, we are far enough from the De Haviland so as to not purchase parts AND there is enough of the wing across the dock, where an obliging soul can grab it and pull us closer in, AND keep us from drifting off.

https://i.imgur.com/abC1ROP.jpg

As though the superlative offerings of wheeled Avro's weren't enough- you will soon have float versions to explore the world in!

Ta Nigel et al- you've knocked it for another six!

C

[blanston12]

The a great plane keeps getting better! Can't wait to fly her.

[downwind]

This is good news! I'm curious about the handling on water with the rudderless pontoons. Those screenshots are nicely done, by the way.

[cavaricooper]

Thanks!

There are water rudders, but they are aerodynamically shaped so as to disturb the airflow as little as possible. They do not move up and down/retract, so their effectiveness is adequate, no more.

Fortunately the controls do allow for a bit of “sailing the ship” but I always remind myself to approach objects only as fast as I plan to hit them :)

Best- C

[Fireball6]

caviacooper - your shots look "mouthwatering" - it's hard to wait ......:mixed-smiley-010:

Allt the Best

Dirk

[cavaricooper]

This evening it was the 646 Sea Tutor in the "Close Cowled" variant- the photos speak for themselves...

https://i.imgur.com/pfXFxUR.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/NqoChKQ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Kes1YDH.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/9vkEI58.jpg

Best- Carl

[cavaricooper]

https://i.imgur.com/2cLGpov.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/dlJ4BBT.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/a5a2p0p.jpg

Here's something... I'd rather fly this aeroplane than spend the evening upgrading to v4.5... surely that speaks volumes ;)?

C

[dvj]

Here's something... I'd rather fly this aeroplane than spend the evening upgrading to v4.5... surely that speaks volumes ;)?

C

I've wanted this model ever since Nigel's first post with an image of it in his photo avatar. Awesome!

[mpni]

Nice work.
Waiting for it and ready for testing in P3Dv4.
Michel

[Javis]

Wonderful screenshots, Carl ! You certainly do the next edition of Nigel's amazing masterpiece proud ! Well done, sir ! :encouragement:

In what kind of waters did you do the testing here ?.. Alaska maybe ?.. I have a feeling it looks familiar to me but i'm not sure. It looks marvelous anyway ! :cool:

cheers,
Jan

[cavaricooper]

Jan-

I’m honored, thank-you!

All 3 posts use Orbx FREEWARE water-dromes in Canada. FREEWARE that like Nigel’s AVROs, your VVC and the C-47 are superlative regardless of the yardstick used.

Best- C

[zswobbie1]

Pleeze... FS2004????

[cavaricooper]

Pleeze... FS2004????

This is a FSX native port, so perhaps there already are files for FS2004 or FS9 at least? Obviously, some of the texturing and lighting are unavailable in the older sims.

HTH- C

[Motormouse]

Pleeze... FS2004????

It's on its way Robbie, no fears there.

Ttfn

Pete

[Javis]

Jan-

I’m honored, thank-you!

All 3 posts use Orbx FREEWARE water-dromes in Canada. FREEWARE that like Nigel’s AVROs, your VVC and the C-47 are superlative regardless of the yardstick used.

Best- C

Thanks Carl ! Looks like i totally forgat about the Orbx freeware... I remember a harbor flying period ( i believe in honor of the Otter which i had been waiting for for so long, finally even started my own Max Otter model , but low and behold, even before finishing up the external here comes JF and, another low and behold on top, a bit later Milviz as well... not the first time this happens so i didn't need to throw my rig out the window.. ;-) but in Alaska. Lots of great seaplane basis here was well.

So, Canada this time (if i can find some..;-) thanks again for showing me the way! :encouragement:

Cheers,
Jan

[nigel richards]

Stunning screenshots, Carl! :applause:
Thanks for sharing:-)

I'll be uploading the full FSX native AVRO 646 Sea Tutor today for all to enjoy :encouragement:

[mpni]

Hi Nigel and team

Thank you very much for this another beautifull work with the AVRO 646.

I tested it on P3Dv4.5 and it works perfectly.

If you want use it in P3Dv4 without error in the ContentErrors.txt file you can do these little corrections.
Best regards and good continuation.
Michel

_AVRO 646 Sea Tutor (late)
aircraft.cfg
change 621 with 646 in [fltsim.2] and [fltsim.3]
[fltsim.2]
title=AVRO 646 Tutor RNAS fl
[fltsim.3]
title=AVRO 646 Tutor RCAF


Change -50 with 50 in [CameraDefinition.003]
[CameraDefinition.003]
HeadingPanRate=-50 => HeadingPanRate=50


panel.cfg
[Window03]
add
gauge00=NR_621!AVRO_compass, 0,0,284,286
[Window04]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=828,150
position=7
visible=1
ident=15555
gauge00=NR_621!AVRO_621_altimeter, 9,11,120,130
gauge01=NR_621!AVRO_621_ASI, 141,11,120,120
gauge02=NR_621!turn_slip, 288,11,120,120
gauge03=NR_621!AVRO_compass, 433,3,120,140
gauge04=NR_621!inclinometer_621, 569,10,120,120
gauge05=NR_621!AVRO_621_rpm, 705,10,130,140

sound.cfg
Avro Tutor
Armstrong Siddeley Mongoose by Nigel Richards
06/04/2019
version-3
Created for Avro 646 Sea Tutor (early) by Nigel Richards

Texture COCKPIT4_T_LM.BMP failed to load
(cockpit4_Lm.dds copy paste and rename cockpit4_t_Lm.dds?)



_AVRO 646 Sea Tutor (early)
aircraft.cfg
add K in [fltsim.0]
[fltsim.0]
title=AVRO 646 Sea Tutor K
add AVRO and G in [fltsim.1]
[fltsim.1]
title=AVRO 646 Sea Tutor G


Change -50 with 50 in [CameraDefinition.003]
[CameraDefinition.003]
HeadingPanRate=-50 => HeadingPanRate=50

panel.cfg
[Window03]
add
gauge00=NR_621!AVRO_compass, 0,0,284,286
[Window04]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=828,150
position=7
visible=1
ident=15555
gauge00=NR_621!AVRO_621_altimeter, 9,11,120,130
gauge01=NR_621!AVRO_621_ASI, 141,11,120,120
gauge02=NR_621!turn_slip, 288,11,120,120
gauge03=NR_621!AVRO_compass, 433,3,120,140
gauge04=NR_621!inclinometer_621, 569,10,120,120
gauge05=NR_621!AVRO_621_rpm, 705,10,130,140

sound.cfg
Avro Tutor
Armstrong Siddeley Mongoose by Nigel Richards
06/04/2019
version-3
Created for Avro 646 Sea Tutor (early) by Nigel Richards

Texture COCKPIT4_T_LM.BMP failed to load
(cockpit4_Lm.dds copy paste and rename cockpit4_t_Lm.dds?)

[nigel richards]

Hi Nigel and team

Thank you very much for this another beautifull work with the AVRO 646.

I tested it on P3Dv4.5 and it works perfectly.

If you want use it in P3Dv4 without error in the ContentErrors.txt file you can do these little corrections.
Best regards and good continuation.
Michel

_AVRO 646 Sea Tutor (late)
aircraft.cfg
change 621 with 646 in [fltsim.2] and [fltsim.3]
[fltsim.2]
title=AVRO 646 Tutor RNAS fl
[fltsim.3]
title=AVRO 646 Tutor RCAF


Change -50 with 50 in [CameraDefinition.003]
[CameraDefinition.003]
HeadingPanRate=-50 => HeadingPanRate=50


panel.cfg
[Window03]
add
gauge00=NR_621!AVRO_compass, 0,0,284,286
[Window04]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=828,150
position=7
visible=1
ident=15555
gauge00=NR_621!AVRO_621_altimeter, 9,11,120,130
gauge01=NR_621!AVRO_621_ASI, 141,11,120,120
gauge02=NR_621!turn_slip, 288,11,120,120
gauge03=NR_621!AVRO_compass, 433,3,120,140
gauge04=NR_621!inclinometer_621, 569,10,120,120
gauge05=NR_621!AVRO_621_rpm, 705,10,130,140

sound.cfg
Avro Tutor
Armstrong Siddeley Mongoose by Nigel Richards
06/04/2019
version-3
Created for Avro 646 Sea Tutor (early) by Nigel Richards

Texture COCKPIT4_T_LM.BMP failed to load
(cockpit4_Lm.dds copy paste and rename cockpit4_t_Lm.dds?)



_AVRO 646 Sea Tutor (early)
aircraft.cfg
add K in [fltsim.0]
[fltsim.0]
title=AVRO 646 Sea Tutor K
add AVRO and G in [fltsim.1]
[fltsim.1]
title=AVRO 646 Sea Tutor G


Change -50 with 50 in [CameraDefinition.003]
[CameraDefinition.003]
HeadingPanRate=-50 => HeadingPanRate=50

panel.cfg
[Window03]
add
gauge00=NR_621!AVRO_compass, 0,0,284,286
[Window04]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=828,150
position=7
visible=1
ident=15555
gauge00=NR_621!AVRO_621_altimeter, 9,11,120,130
gauge01=NR_621!AVRO_621_ASI, 141,11,120,120
gauge02=NR_621!turn_slip, 288,11,120,120
gauge03=NR_621!AVRO_compass, 433,3,120,140
gauge04=NR_621!inclinometer_621, 569,10,120,120
gauge05=NR_621!AVRO_621_rpm, 705,10,130,140

sound.cfg
Avro Tutor
Armstrong Siddeley Mongoose by Nigel Richards
06/04/2019
version-3
Created for Avro 646 Sea Tutor (early) by Nigel Richards

Texture COCKPIT4_T_LM.BMP failed to load
(cockpit4_Lm.dds copy paste and rename cockpit4_t_Lm.dds?)

Many Thanks, Michel - much obliged on behalf of P3Dv4 users, for your cfg tweaks, Sir. :encouragement:

[Gooneybird565]

Nigel, just a huge thank you for these absolute beauties!
Greetings from Paris

[nigel richards]

Nigel, just a huge thank you for these absolute beauties!
Greetings from Paris

Greetings, and sincere thanks indeed, Sir!

[mpni]

If the compass does not indicate the correct course and the needle does not turn in the right direction, then try these files by saving the originals.
http://royalefrenchnavy.restauravia.fr/Test/AVRO_646_Compass.zip

[nigel richards]

If the compass does not indicate the correct course and the needle does not turn in the right direction, then try these files by saving the originals.
http://royalefrenchnavy.restauravia.fr/Test/AVRO_646_Compass.zip

Hmmm...tried the files in FSX but this renders the compass unadjustable, mpni.
The original version works perfectly in FSX, so not sure what could be happening in P3D V4. :banghead:

[mpni]

I make a test on FSX whit the original version.
Have a look on the video in the AVRO 646 with FSX.
I make a left turn.
So the heading must decrease.
But it is not and compass heading increase.
When the aircraft is heading 270°, compas is at 090°.
http://royalefrenchnavy.restauravia.fr/test/Avro646_heading.mp4

[mpni]

I make a test on FSX with the original version.
Have a look on the video in the AVRO 646 with FSX.
I make a left turn.
So the heading must decrease.
But it is not and compass heading increase.
When the aircraft is heading 270°, compas is at 090°.
http://royalefrenchnavy.restauravia.fr/test/Avro646_heading.mp4

[spokes2112]

The needle actually turns in the correct direction. It is a p.8 grid compass.
A little tutorial on the p.8

https://youtu.be/YdDvh5zPUWI?t=181
The problem is that the upload didn't include a community updated compass where the compass tick marks can be rotated to give heading.
It is in this post #54 (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php/114712-FSX-Native-AVRO-PWS-18-Uploaded!?p=1177204&viewfull=1#post1177204) to download

[mpni]

OK Spokes2112.
I understand, so cancel all my previous messages about heading.
Sorry
Michel