C170B of Alabeo out

[YoYo]

http://youtu.be/OC_Eyp1oR7c

Cessna C170B released:
https://www.alabeo.com/sitealabeo/product/c170b-fsx-p3d/

[MustangL2W]

Beautiful Cessna Classic!

[triflyman]

When I saw this yesterday on Facebook I was ready to jump on it...owned one back in the 70’s. However, after I looked at Alabeo’s support page I backed out...not a lot of love there for Alabeo...so much strong negative.

Any one have any comments about Alabeo...either way?

Thanks.

[thefrog]

Just like with Carenado (essentially the same company, I understand) there are lots of bugs when they are released - which must be due to poor (or no) proper beta testing.After a few patches they are very nice aircraft, although there's no systems depth to them.

[62stratfan]

Beautiful post-war, VFR classic. Many thanks, Alabeo.

https://i.imgur.com/bjESR9p.jpg

62stratfan

[cavaricooper]

I am watching this space to see how this blossoms. The GOOD thing is Bernt Stolle may have done the FDE... if so it will be GREAT! Will stay tuned....

C

[MustangL2W]

I haven't a single complaint about the Alabeo 170B. Looks wonderful, Modeled amazing. (My guess is it is about a 1955 model) and fly's without complaint.
Alabeo and Carenado take a lot of Flak but personally, I am grateful to Alabeo for tackling some of the true Icon's of General Aviation. The Staggerwing, the Cessna 195, the Cessna Twins like the 404, 441 and the 421 which is wonderfully done. The Quintessential Cabin Class Twin! Carenado's Beech 18 is beautifully done as well. This 170B is just as nice.
Now if only they would do a Noorduyn Norseman we'd be set! The poor Norseman gets no Love and I'd really like to see the Warbird UC-64A version done.

[62stratfan]

Bernt Stolle may have done the FDE

Not sure on that one.

https://i.imgur.com/2OkgFIk.jpg

But it's quite a gem, none the less, IMHO. Yes, 1955 first year for the larger quarter-pie window, I think. Hanging out for the AH C140 now.
62stratfan

[cavaricooper]

Glad to hear she flies well.... your Screen Name has me curious. I have an Eric Johnson Signature Strat that I am very fond of, but a 62! WOW, you lucky blighter!

C

[Bushpounder]

I haven't a single complaint about the Alabeo 170B. Looks wonderful, Modeled amazing. (My guess is it is about a 1955 model) and fly's without complaint.
Alabeo and Carenado take a lot of Flak but personally, I am grateful to Alabeo for tackling some of the true Icon's of General Aviation. The Staggerwing, the Cessna 195, the Cessna Twins like the 404, 441 and the 421 which is wonderfully done. The Quintessential Cabin Class Twin! Carenado's Beech 18 is beautifully done as well. This 170B is just as nice.
Now if only they would do a Noorduyn Norseman we'd be set! The poor Norseman gets no Love and I'd really like to see the Warbird UC-64A version done.

Version 1.0 has many things wrong with it. I am sure an update will be delivered shortly. Open the right window and tell me which way it opens, in or out? ;) There are several others as well. There is a complete list on AVSIM. HOWEVER .... there is also a version 1.1 out I just read, and it fixes the gauges, windows, etc. If yours is ok, you may have 1.1. Agree on the Norseman. I believe Brian Gladden built the last one, and that has to be almost 15 years ago! I think we're due! :)

Don

[Brian_Gladden]

Version 1.0 has many things wrong with it. I am sure an update will be delivered shortly. Open the right window and tell me which way it opens, in or out? ;) There are several others as well. There is a complete list on AVSIM. HOWEVER .... there is also a version 1.1 out I just read, and it fixes the gauges, windows, etc. If yours is ok, you may have 1.1. Agree on the Norseman. I believe Brian Gladden built the last one, and that has to be almost 15 years ago! I think we're due! :)

Don


15 years is about right Don... Back at Christmas I actually got FSDS 3.5 on my system but since I don't have my source files it's a moot point plus I don't have a lot of time. If I'm lucky I can fire up FS over the weekend at some point. When I was building planes I was working EMS and had multiple days off in a row. Now I'm more like 6 am to 5 pm.

[62stratfan]

WOW, you lucky blighter!

Not quite that lucky, cavaricooper. It's just a screen name. I actually use an Am Std Strat today. Also, my c170 exe says ver 1.1 and I haven't noticed some of the anomalies that have been pointed out. Windows open correctly, for example. The engine gauges, though, I'm not really sure. The tool tips change by small amounts but I can't seem to notice a change on the gauges themselves. Could be me. Can someone verify?
62stratfan

Edit: OK, there does seem to be some gauge issues. Suction stays at about 16 hg while tool tip says 4.8 hg. Amps at about 16-17 while tool tip says 30.0 amps. Oil temp and pressure don't seem correct. Flight gauges seem OK. My fuel selector works. Stall light OK. Still, it is a beauty and it does seem to fly really well.

[YoYo]

1.1 update:


Changelog



Fixes an issue were the glass panels including windshield and landing light lens were moving with the window frame.
Flaps now retracts independent from master battery.
Stall light fixed.
Fuel selector now is calibrated correctly.
Fixes an issue were the active frequency changed instead of the standby.
Instruments indications fixed to the operational range.
Minor bugs fixed.

[62stratfan]

Thanks Yoyo. I seem to have everything except the instruments. Ooops, just noticed this...

https://i.imgur.com/gEJyR00.jpg

The pilot's door seems OK, though.
62stratfan

[YoYo]

I seem to have everything except the instruments. Ooops, just noticed this...

62stratfan

Ups :biggrin-new: !

[Wim]

To temporarily solve this situation in FSX, just substituted the external and VC models of version 1.0 in version 1.1 and everything including flaplever and gauges seems to be alright.

[Rudyjo]

To temporarily solve this situation in FSX, just substituted the external and VC models of version 1.0 in version 1.1 and everything including flaplever and gauges seems to be alright.

You would think by now Alabeo would have learned to take an extra week and make sure things work right before releasing their planes. Quality Control doesn't seem to be a priority. They aren't bad planes once they get straightened out.

[62stratfan]

That's a great band-aid fix, Wim, if you have 1.0. As Rudyjo said take a week or so and be sure it's working. On the other hand, my business trips around Cape Cod, the South Shore and islands have never been better.

https://i.imgur.com/rn6L8w2.jpg

Best,
62stratfan

[Bushpounder]

15 years is about right Don... Back at Christmas I actually got FSDS 3.5 on my system but since I don't have my source files it's a moot point plus I don't have a lot of time. If I'm lucky I can fire up FS over the weekend at some point. When I was building planes I was working EMS and had multiple days off in a row. Now I'm more like 6 am to 5 pm.
Hi, Brian! I know the feeling about "no time". I put FSDS on too, but have not used it for years. I have probably forgotten how to by now! I'm building a lot of plastic models now (cars and aircraft) but I try to keep up with, and still buy, for the flight sim. I looked in my files for your source file. You gave me one a long time ago, but I can't remember which airplane! Can't find it. That was two computers or so ago. You still doing road construction?

Don

[YoYo]

https://i.imgur.com/iT6yyvE.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/eo85tnM.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/bfs0A1N.jpg

Great little plane, but like in Alabeo, need some patches from beginnings :biggrin-new:.
1.1 - oil temperatures gauge doesnt work like carb heat. I reported to Alabeo with this + pax door also.

[cavaricooper]

Looking good YoYo! Guess what's DYING to go to Homer??? ;)

C

[62stratfan]

Nice pix, YoYo. I'm having the same gauge/door opening issues. For example, the pilot's door opens the co-pilot's window frame, too. Anyway, I took a stab at re-texturing the cloth parts of the interior to a neutral tan/beige with brown carpeting. The idea is to blend better with most any exterior color. I've seen a couple of prototypes as such, and I think Alabeo's c195 is like this. The blue interior in the metal-red A/C didn't seem right. Still love this c170. It's only the 3rd payware A/C I've purchased in 20 years of FS.

https://i.imgur.com/H59ger9.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ilAbATr.jpg

62stratfan

[MustangL2W]

62stratfan...
Love your Interior for the Red scheme. I too think it goes much better and is more realistic/true to life. Hope you give some thought to sharing your creativity...

[62stratfan]

Hope you give some thought to sharing your creativity

Could do that. I wonder where they'd put it. Utilities, maybe? I'll have to make a few tweaks and a readme. Here's the metal/blue version.

https://i.imgur.com/XDll9Q3.jpg

62stratfan

[MustangL2W]

Oooooh..... Looks really nice inside the Blue Scheme as well!

[62stratfan]

Thanks! I'll keep it going. Not as easy as I first thought, but I think it'll come together. Here's the Chilean A/C. As the interior is common, all c170's are affected.

https://i.imgur.com/vxhuJfC.jpg

62stratfan

[musterpilot]

Would I be able to get a repaint of this please

https://i.imgur.com/soOUejF.jpg

Thanks in advance

John

[binarkansas]

Thanks! I'll keep it going. Not as easy as I first thought, but I think it'll come together. Here's the Chilean A/C. As the interior is common, all c170's are affected.
62stratfan


62Stratfan:

I too would like to see you share the nice neutral tan/beige interior with us less talented and patient folks.

[62stratfan]

Thanks, everyone. The interior project is going OK so far. However, I'm not sure about re-painting the whole aircraft. Alabeo did include two Photoshop files but my old version won't open 4096x4096 files. Also, they don't appear to be layered, which is the whole point of a PSD. That means you'd have to paint around all the rivets, panel lines, weathering and shadows. A non-layered PSD doc is next to useless in my experience. Maybe I'm missing something. Anyone? Another thing is there is no texture map or instructions which means agonizing over where each tiny bit of metal or that one rivet is that needs paint. So re-painting may be a challenge. The interior is the same but less cluttered and easier to find little bits that need paint. I had to make my own map.
62stratfan

[YoYo]

Btw. nice real video but in my style!

https://youtu.be/KpOnFdunlYQ

[YoYo]

https://i.imgur.com/79kUlrE.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/o6D6igx.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/cIzgV9T.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/YX0dVWD.jpg

Few shots from Today's trips.

[musterpilot]

Very nice shots YoYo she is a great aircraft

John

[62stratfan]

Nice pix again, YoYo. Especially No.2. Great flyer.

62stratfan

[binarkansas]

Can someone point out to me where the compass deviation card on the panel of the C170 can be found on the texture files???

Thanks

[62stratfan]

Can someone point out to me where the compass deviation card on the panel of the C170 can be found on the texture files???

It looks like WINTEXT.dds in the Texture.Common folder.

62stratfan

[binarkansas]

It looks like WINTEXT.dds in the Texture.Common folder.

62stratfan

I think I looked at every file except that one! Thanks much. Here's what I've done with it so far.

[62stratfan]

Looks great. The stock correction card is all but illegible.
62stratfan

[jeansy]

Thanks, everyone. The interior project is going OK so far. However, I'm not sure about re-painting the whole aircraft. Alabeo did include two Photoshop files but my old version won't open 4096x4096 files. Also, they don't appear to be layered, which is the whole point of a PSD. That means you'd have to paint around all the rivets, panel lines, weathering and shadows. A non-layered PSD doc is next to useless in my experience. Maybe I'm missing something. Anyone? Another thing is there is no texture map or instructions which means agonizing over where each tiny bit of metal or that one rivet is that needs paint. So re-painting may be a challenge. The interior is the same but less cluttered and easier to find little bits that need paint. I had to make my own map.
62stratfan

the format has always been a single layer, you don't need to pain around rivets or other items

VH-WRT after about 30mins of work, this is the easiest Carenado and alabeo mapped model yet

anyway I will finish the 3rd paint off tomorrow

https://i.ibb.co/5hJQPSm/2019-2-24-22-31-27-212.png

[YoYo]

Thx Matt! :wavey:

[binarkansas]

the format has always been a single layer, you don't need to pain around rivets or other items

VH-WRT after about 30mins of work, this is the easiest Carenado and alabeo mapped model yet

anyway I will finish the 3rd paint off tomorrow



Please, release the all aluminum skin WITH NO MARKINGS. Pretty please! It might have taken you about thirty minutes, it would take me about three days!

[62stratfan]

this is the easiest Carenado and alabeo mapped model yet

Great. This is my first Alabeo. Tell us how it's done and I'll take a shot at it.

Many Thanks,
62stratfan

[62stratfan]

OK, made a little progress...

https://i.imgur.com/GaJMoks.jpg

62stratfan

[musterpilot]

That is a masterpiece

Thanks

John

[musterpilot]

That would be a good idea to release the bare metal paint without markings
I would be able to put VH-WRT on myself which is about my limit when it comes to painting :biggrin-new:

[62stratfan]

I don't know about masterpiece, but it's coming along. Many nits to fix. Jeansy will probably finish first.

https://i.imgur.com/Y2ZBzkJ.jpg

62stratfan

[jeansy]

I don't know about masterpiece, but it's coming along. Many nits to fix. Jeansy will probably finish first

62stratfan

Go for it, ive already done a few australian and New Zealand schemes so im not in any rush as ive done what i wanted to

After today im not interested in doing anything tonight besides watching a movie and brew

[YoYo]

Something for Tundra version for us? :wavey:

Bush Air maybe? http://bush-air.com/school.htm


http://youtu.be/Yxq9RNl0ons

[Jafo]

That would be a good idea to release the bare metal paint without markings
I would be able to put VH-WRT on myself which is about my limit when it comes to painting :biggrin-new:
Everyone starts somewhere...;)

[fsafranek]

Could do that. I wonder where they'd put it. Utilities, maybe? I'll have to make a few tweaks and a readme. Here's the metal/blue version.
62stratfan
Looking at your images I might have to break down and buy this one sooner than later.
:ernaehrung004:

[62stratfan]

Many thanks. It's been great so far. They've just issued an update (ver 1.2) to address some of the glitches like the door opening.

62stratfan

[YoYo]

Good news about 1.2. I'll check it soon.


NEW VERSION 1.2ALABEO C170B FSX/P3D
- Solves an issue where the Oil Temp needle remained static.
- Fixes Door animations.
- Fixes an issue where after a while, the battery drained out.
- Fuel selector adjusted.
- Minor bugs fixes.
IMPORTANT:
Customers should download the package again from the link provided. Downloads and installations were increased.

You should uninstall the aircraft before installing this new version.

[YoYo]

Ok, looks like with this patch is good. Oil needle works (+carb heat), doors are ok, fuel selector is ok too ( http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php/114707-Alabeo-C170-Fuel-Selector?p=1176039&viewfull=1#post1176039 ).

https://i.imgur.com/r8kzjjp.jpg

[RobM]

For those that prefer purchasing from the big box e-stores, version 1.2 is now available at PC Aviator (and yes, the 10% off Tuesday discount applies). I assume the plane will be available from the other big box e-stores soon.

Just fyi.

-Rob

[Timmy74]

Good news about 1.2. I'll check it soon.

I have just installed V1.2 and guess what.....my battery STILL drains out!?!?!

[jeansy]

Tim check which aircraft.cfg you are using, I'm using the x64bit.cfg and I've got everything running all lights, heaters etc and my battery is fine

I have a funny feeling you are using the stock aircraft.cfg that designed for fsx, knowing you are using 64bit you need to rename that stock one and then amend the aircraftx64.cfg to aircraft.cfg

see if that helps, otherwise I'm not sure what's going on with your install

[jeansy]

https://i.ibb.co/k6JX8RD/12.png
https://i.ibb.co/JzqqZLB/13.png

images from p3d v4

[62stratfan]

Nice work, jeansy. Musterpilot should be delighted.
62stratfan

[Timmy74]

Tim check which aircraft.cfg you are using, I'm using the x64bit.cfg and I've got everything running all lights, heaters etc and my battery is fine

I have a funny feeling you are using the stock aircraft.cfg that designed for fsx, knowing you are using 64bit you need to rename that stock one and then amend the aircraftx64.cfg to aircraft.cfg

see if that helps, otherwise I'm not sure what's going on with your install

Hi Matt. Yeah i have no idea either!? I uninstalled V1.1 and installed V1.2 as usual -which should use the correct aircraft.cfg when you select "P3Dv4" in the install process.

The only thing I have added is your paints and aircraft.cfg entries.

Beats me!?!

[YoYo]

Timmy, I didnt notice this (and I have P3Dv4 also). Did You start from default start or saved flight? Maybe try to take default Maule, start the engine, turn off all and save the flight as Default flight. Next You will have cold and dark situation for every aircraft. Maybe it helps.

[musterpilot]

https://i.ibb.co/k6JX8RD/12.png
https://i.ibb.co/JzqqZLB/13.png

images from p3d v4

That is fantastic Jeansy
Thank you

John

[musterpilot]

When will this one be ready for download Jeansy ?

John

[jeansy]

Hi Matt. Yeah i have no idea either!? I uninstalled V1.1 and installed V1.2 as usual -which should use the correct aircraft.cfg when you select "P3Dv4" in the install process.

The only thing I have added is your paints and aircraft.cfg entries

Beats me!?!


You manually need to change the cfgs. the installer only finds the directory not installs the x64 cfg as default, you need to do that

Its a new thing with them and carenado who only have recently included 3 versions of the cfg

[jeansy]

When will this one be ready for download Jeansy ?

John

it's been uploaded to avsim tonight

[Timmy74]

You manually need to change the cfgs. the installer only finds the directory not installs the x64 cfg as default, you need to do that

Its a new thing with them and carenado who only have recently included 3 versions of the cfg

Hey Matt, I gave the aircraftx64.cfg (renaming it to "aircraft.cfg" then renaming the original one to "aircraftFSX.cfg") a go......but my battery still drains!?!?

Beats me!?!?!

[jeansy]

Hey Matt, I gave the aircraftx64.cfg (renaming it to "aircraft.cfg" then renaming the original one to "aircraftFSX.cfg") a go......but my battery still drains!?!?

Beats me!?!?!

Yup however i have the regersted fsupic and i just doubled checked i have unlimited battery ticked

I will have to check it unticked and see if the prob persists

[Timmy74]

Right-O! I decided to install V1.2 into my P3DV3 and do some testing. This is what i have found -on both computers and versions of P3D (v3 and v4).

Both of my versions have the "default" set up ie; the aircraft is the F22 running and ready to go. I have no "cold and dark" saved at all. It's all vanilla.

When I load the C-170 the engine is running with lights and radio on. All good to go and the AMP meter is well over half way.....I can take off and fly all day no issue.
However, If I hit "shift 3" and select "Cold and Dark" through the Alabeo menu -before I get airborne- this changes EVERYTHING!?!?!

I go through all of the procedures to get the aircraft running. Then I notice that the AMP meter is below half way.....and this is were my battery drains!?! I get airborne and after a few minutes the battery goes flat!?!

So I have learnt that Alabeo has an error in there configuration if one selects "their" cold and dark option!?!?
If I choose to start this aircraft from their "Cold and Dark", once i have her up and running I must use my hot keys to turn on the alternator which brings the AMP's well past half way and no battery drain!?!?

Very strange that i do not have to do this with any other Alabeo and or Carenado aircraft!?

The mind boggles......

[Timmy74]

Timmy, I didnt notice this (and I have P3Dv4 also). Did You start from default start or saved flight? Maybe try to take default Maule, start the engine, turn off all and save the flight as Default flight. Next You will have cold and dark situation for every aircraft. Maybe it helps.

Hello Yo Yo,

I have just tried your suggestion.....unfortunately my battery still drains!?!?

No matter what I do, I need to hit my hot key for "Alternator" every time to stop my battery from draining!?!?! I never have to do this to any other aircraft!?!

Beats me x2!?!

[ejoiner]

is there a paint kit for this C-170? I want to do this repaint of nobody else is working on it IF there is a paint kit. I dont have time right now to do that rivet work from scratch. If someone else has done a set of templates already, it would be awesome to see this beauty. :)

https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8150/7616910606_f72e214b14_b.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5601/15464943945_a438564bb5_b.jpg


http://cessna170.org/photoLib/1955Cessna170B/N2935Dser26878/N2935Dser26878-5.JPG

[62stratfan]

I've tried doing this style of paint as it's actually from the 1955 catalog. 1955 was the first year for the enlarged rear window, too. The stock red and blue over metal, while very nice, are a few years earlier, maybe '52 or '53. I managed to get a decent all metal paint, but I simply could not get all the color edges to line up from the nose bowl, cowling, firewall section, door, and main fuselage. These parts are scattered over the EXT1 file so it's very hard to line them up by eye. I don't know how they did it at Alabeo, but I sure couldn't. Also, the edge of paint along the main fuselage wouldn't come out straight. It looks like an oscilloscope. Any hints to doing this? I'll keep trying. The only "paint kit" are the two PSD's in texture.PSD in the main folder. They are the typical Alabeo flat PSD docs. I did get the "Cessna" and "One Seventy" lettering , though. I'd sorta like to see Alabeo re-shape the rear window to the original semi-ellipse, but I doubt that will happen.

62stratfan

[ejoiner]

I've tried doing this style of paint as it's actually from the 1955 catalog. 1955 was the first year for the enlarged rear window, too. The stock red and blue over metal, while very nice, are a few years earlier, maybe '52 or '53. I managed to get a decent all metal paint, but I simply could not get all the color edges to line up from the nose bowl, cowling, firewall section, door, and main fuselage. These parts are scattered over the EXT1 file so it's very hard to line them up by eye. I don't know how they did it at Alabeo, but I sure couldn't. Also, the edge of paint along the main fuselage wouldn't come out straight. It looks like an oscilloscope. Any hints to doing this? I'll keep trying. The only "paint kit" are the two PSD's in texture.PSD in the main folder. They are the typical Alabeo flat PSD docs. I did get the "Cessna" and "One Seventy" lettering , though. I'd sorta like to see Alabeo re-shape the rear window to the original semi-ellipse, but I doubt that will happen.

62stratfan
I added the One Seventy script to my personal airplanes... :)

https://i.imgur.com/vV4SNwQ.jpg

[MustangL2W]

Wow... N2935D is a GORGEOUS airplane!

[ejoiner]

That fuselage aint easy. can be done but its hard. Dont know why they do that. Milviz does the same thing. Their F-86 has a ton of fuselage curves as well.

https://i.imgur.com/DMSh1BN.jpg

[62stratfan]

That looks good. The door hinges are also on the EXT1 file.

As far as I've managed to date on the 1955 pattern...

https://i.imgur.com/f33KxiB.jpg

The blue is to coordinate with either the stock interior or my neutral color mod.

62stratfan