FSX native AVRO Tutor

[Postbaer61]

I want to let you know, that i have converted Nigel's great AVRO 621 Tutor models to FSX native format,
which means, that it will work also in P3Dv4+

Nigel gave again his kind permission, to publish my conversions,
until he had done his own FSX Native version.

So here we go again

The conversions

https://www.mediafire.com/file/lu4m8o772rsdd1q/FSX_native_AVRO_Tutor_port_over_Part1.zip/file

https://www.mediafire.com/file/cf7yf7p5zxfnynh/FSX_native_AVRO_Tutor_port_over_Part2.zip/file

I have also updated the FSX native 621 and Trainer models
with a new smaller navlight effect, the new models have to
redownloaded .

https://www.mediafire.com/file/89waosn4x9jrovw/FSX_native_AVRO_621_port_over.zip/file

https://www.mediafire.com/file/prhthk20bo00hhh/FSX_native_AVRO_621_Trainer_port_over.zip/file

Cheers
Ulrich

[TuFun]

Awesome! Much appreciate the conversion!

[UnknownGuest12]

Much obliged to all the people involved on this beautifull project...

[tgycgijoes]

Thank you so much for your generous efforts to us all

:loyal:

[Twice43]

:applause::applause::redfire:
T43

BTW, which of the various Imgur settings do people use to post images on this forum?

[blanston12]

Thank you very much, downloading now.

Out of curiosity, The old package is the Avro 621 Tutor, the new one is just the Avro Tutor, other than the cowl around engine is there a real world difference between them? Are they all Avro 621's?

[Julio Garcia]

Hi Ulrich

only one question: the Tutor Texture files are Bitmap files and not DDS. Work P3D 4.4 fine with Bitmap files???

Liebe Grüße aus Oberfranken

Julio

[Julio Garcia]

Hi Ulrich

only one question: the Tutor Texture files are Bitmap files and not DDS. Work P3D 4.4 fine with Bitmap files??? Many many thanks for you SuperB work. Nigel thank you so much för this beautiful plane. Check Checkers (https://www.ladysavings.com/publix-weekly-ad/?checkers/) and Dischem Specials (https://www.ladysavings.com/publix-weekly-ad/?dischem/).

Liebe Grüße aus Oberfranken

Julio

[Heukie]

Thanks a million!!!

[Postbaer61]

Hallo Julio,

Yes bmp files works fine with P3Dv4, no need to convert to dds format.

Vielen Dank
und Viele Grüße aus dem schönen Ruhrpott

Ulrich

[Postbaer61]

For all, which have download the files until yet,
There was a bug in model.cowl folder.

You have to change the model.cfg with the editor
to

[models]
normal=cowl_FSXn
interior=cowl_FSXn_int

Sorry for the cicumstances, i have correct the download file
meanwhile.

[Twice43]

Tutor out of Fairoaks.
Flies magnificently.
T43

https://i.imgur.com/TESlsZq.jpg

[Does the pic show]?

[Postbaer61]

Tutor out of Fairoaks.
Flies magnificently.
T43

https://i.imgur.com/TESlsZq.jpg

[Does the pic show]?


Yepp , Looks great, thank you :encouragement:

[Twice43]

Ok.
1 more
T43

https://i.imgur.com/OHrLfDb.jpg

[dvj]

Just downloaded and tried the new native FSX files in FSX. Compared to the original port over, I no longer have the pilot animation (head movement). The nav lights (red and green) also seem to be missing. Using FSX in DX10.

-d

[Motormouse]

Thank you very much, downloading now.

Out of curiosity, The old package is the Avro 621 Tutor, the new one is just the Avro Tutor, other than the cowl around engine is there a real world difference between them? Are they all Avro 621's?

Hi Joe, no, not really all 621's, while the majority of the airframe is same, they do have different engines, Armstrong-Siddeley Mongoose 155 hp in 621, Armstrong Siddeley Lynx 180hp in Tutor. (Although some late build Tutors were in fact model 626 Prefect with gunners position faired over). Then there are the 626 Prefect, export versions got Armstrong-Siddeley Cheetah 230 hp engine, and then there's the 646 Sea Tutor (on floats),and then Polish built ones, which were wood, with Wright Whirlwind engines.

Oh, and as things progressed, the Lynx engine got more hp, as did the Cheetah.

As you can imagine, Magoo, myself, and Keith have had a bit of fun and head scratching to make them all similar but different to fly.

Ttfn

Pete

[Postbaer61]

Just downloaded and tried the new native FSX files in FSX. Compared to the original port over, I no longer have the pilot animation (head movement). The nav lights (red and green) also seem to be missing. Using FSX in DX10.

-d

Hi dvj ,
I have attached the missing nav lights now to all
native models.
You can redownload the files, to get the updates.

The pilot head movement must be complet animated new,
the current state represents a compromise.
Also the vc lighting don't work very well in P3Dv4,
so i have use the fx_vclight.fx variant in the aircraft.cfg.

When you load the original file to MCX you will get
something like this here

https://i.imgur.com/XerKtOG.jpg

it was the best result i could get, so we have to live
with that compromiss, until Nigel brings the real native version.
I can only recommend to use Nigel's port over models for FSX,
my converted FSX native models are intended primarily for P3Dv4 users,
who will not be able to enjoy Nigel's Avros until he releases his FSX original native models.

Cheers
Ulrich

[magoo]

I see nothing wrong with that pilot.....other than he's probably experiencing the effects of Ouzo in the cockpit.

It's probably a regional thing....

None the less....Avro's 621 aircraft were known to be a "gentleman's" flyer, and could certainly be expected to fly themselves home within such scenario.....

........And the pilot would wake up refreshed.

[dvj]

Hi dvj ,
I have attached the missing nav lights now to all
native models.
You can redownload the files, to get the updates.

The pilot head movement must be complet animated new,
the current state represents a compromise.
Also the vc lighting don't work very well in P3Dv4,
so i have use the fx_vclight.fx variant in the aircraft.cfg.

When you load the original file to MCX you will get
something like this here

https://i.imgur.com/XerKtOG.jpg

it was the best result i could get, so we have to live
with that compromiss, until Nigel brings the real native version.
I can only recommend to use Nigel's port over models for FSX,
my converted FSX native models are intended primarily for P3Dv4 users,
who will not be able to enjoy Nigel's Avros until he releases his FSX original native models.

Cheers
Ulrich

Oh I like that. The sleeping pilot.

-d

[Twice43]

Hi dvj ,
I have attached the missing nav lights now to all
native models.
You can redownload the files, to get the updates.

Cheers
Ulrich

Nav lights??
Real pilots don't need nav lights!:mixed-smiley-010:

Having made several 'landings' in the Native Tutor I am wondering how on earth the pilots could see where they were going on approach?
Perhaps I'm 'sitting' too low in the cockpit, but I can't see any runway in the last 50' or so. Did they side slip in to get their line up altitude correct?
T43

[magoo]

Having made several 'landings' in the Native Tutor I am wondering how on earth the pilots could see where they were going on approach?

Yeah....a little side slip would help. In real life the pilot would lean out and look down the side of the aircraft to keep the landing target in view.

I found I could do it by sliding my viewpoint around. Ctrl and the arrow keys (left/right/up/down) work quick enough to keep me happy.

TrackIR users have an easier time if one wishes to spring for the hardware and wear a funny hat while flying.

Mind you.....except in the most temperate climates....the real life open aircraft pilot will need to wear a funny hat anyway......so.....good way to add realism to the simulation....

:adoration:

[PeteHam]

Nav lights??
Real pilots don't need nav lights!:mixed-smiley-010:

Having made several 'landings' in the Native Tutor I am wondering how on earth the pilots could see where they were going on approach?
Perhaps I'm 'sitting' too low in the cockpit, but I can't see any runway in the last 50' or so. Did they side slip in to get their line up altitude correct?
T43


Generally you can't see the runway straight ahead if you fly a long final.

Fly a close in base leg leading to a curved approach to a short final, and use a gentle side slip or gentle S turns down final.

In the final few moments before touch down get used to looking out either side to keep straight and to judge your round out height. It becomes second nature, but don't ever stop flying until the aircraft is stopped.

Pete.

[SSI01]

Reference is made in "Reach for the Sky" (Brickhill book) re: Bader witnessing someone he knew making a landing approach in a Tutor. Flying solo, and this man was a physically very imposing specimen, tall and well-built so his head and shoulders were well above the rear cockpit coaming. Bader knew who it was (a senior officer). As I think Nigel has stated in one of his write-ups on this airplane, it was the first in RAF service to have brakes. Apparently this man made a very good approach but forgot the brakes were included in the package and so was squeezing the hand brake without realizing it. Touched down and promptly flipped the aircraft over on its back.

PS - I like the sleeping pilot, too. A relaxed atmosphere is conducive to learning.

[delta_lima]

I see nothing wrong with that pilot.....other than he's probably experiencing the effects of Ouzo in the cockpit.

It's probably a regional thing....

None the less....Avro's 621 aircraft were known to be a "gentleman's" flyer, and could certainly be expected to fly themselves home within such scenario.....

........And the pilot would wake up refreshed.


SSI01


PS - I like the sleeping pilot, too. A relaxed atmosphere is conducive to learning.

66662

Well played, gents! :biggrin-new:

[nigel richards]

Tutor out of Fairoaks.
Flies magnificently.
T43

https://i.imgur.com/TESlsZq.jpg

[Does the pic show]?

Does it show!!!

Thanks for sharing the awesome screenshot, Tango43 :-)

[nigel richards]

Tutor out of Fairoaks.
Flies magnificently.
T43

https://i.imgur.com/TESlsZq.jpg

[Does the pic show]?

Does it show!!!

Thanks for sharing the awesome screenshot, Tango43 :-)

[nigel richards]

Generally you can't see the runway straight ahead if you fly a long final.

Fly a close in base leg leading to a curved approach to a short final, and use a gentle side slip or gentle S turns down final.

In the final few moments before touch down get used to looking out either side to keep straight and to judge your round out height. It becomes second nature, but don't ever stop flying until the aircraft is stopped.

Pete.

That's my buddy Pete!!!
Thanks for all your enthusiasm and testing throughout the development of this Project, matey:-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4bjwZvKIdQ

In his World, I'm just the coffee boy!

[ejoiner]

Tutor out of Fairoaks.
Flies magnificently.
T43

https://i.imgur.com/TESlsZq.jpg

[Does the pic show]?


Where did you get this lovely yellow paint scheme?

[Postbaer61]

Where did you get this lovely yellow paint scheme?


Hello ejoiner,
It is the tutor model AVRO 621 Tutor Early cowl-sp
RAF London University .
You have it also if you have downloaded the part 2
with the needed texture files.

[Priller]

Thanks for this lovely conversion! Now us P3Dv4.4 flyers can enjoy this incredible creation!! :jump:

Priller

[blanston12]

Hi Joe, no, not really all 621's, while the majority of the airframe is same, they do have different engines, Armstrong-Siddeley Mongoose 155 hp in 621, Armstrong Siddeley Lynx 180hp in Tutor. (Although some late build Tutors were in fact model 626 Prefect with gunners position faired over). Then there are the 626 Prefect, export versions got Armstrong-Siddeley Cheetah 230 hp engine, and then there's the 646 Sea Tutor (on floats),and then Polish built ones, which were wood, with Wright Whirlwind engines.

Oh, and as things progressed, the Lynx engine got more hp, as did the Cheetah.

As you can imagine, Magoo, myself, and Keith have had a bit of fun and head scratching to make them all similar but different to fly.

Ttfn

Pete

Interesting, so then is it safe to say the second phase of Tudors with the cowl and tail wheels are more likely 626's than 621's?

[Motormouse]

Interesting, so then is it safe to say the second phase of Tudors with the cowl and tail wheels are more likely 626's than 621's?

This is going to seem contradictory, (and I know you asked earlier if they were all 621's) but not exactly, they are an improved 621.

The initial 621 with the added improvements was just called the Tutor, the name given to it by RAF ; but for manufacturing purposes kept the 621 designation.....

but

depending when they were built, they might have started build as a 626, but finished as a 621 configuration as the need arose to keep deliveries going.

These were factory designations, whereas the main customer (the RAF) referred to them as Trainer, Tutor, and Prefect respectively.

Like all aeroplanes, as they progress in service improvements are made to the specification as the customer requests, and like most manufacturers of the period, Avro kept a lot of commonality between the models so that they didn't have to re-tool to produce the different variants.

The wiki entries might help or confuse you even more..

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Tutor

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_626

Ttfn

Pete

[magoo]

"What’s in a name? That which we call a rose,
By any other word would smell as sweet."

[Motormouse]

.Indeed Magoo.. and what a piece of work is this Avro by Nigel, in form and moving how express and admirable, in action how like an angel

(apologies to Wm Shakespeare)

Ttfn

Pete

[menef]

Thank you Mister Richards, it's a MASTERPIECE indeed :encouragement:

[nigel richards]

"What’s in a name? That which we call a rose,
By any other word would smell as sweet."


"Indeed Magoo.. and what a piece of work is this Avro by Nigel, in form and moving how express and admirable, in action how like an angel

(apologies to Wm Shakespeare)

Ttfn

Pete"

James, Pete; Poetry as well as awesome technical wizardry - can't keep up with you both! :-)

“Knowledge is the wing wherewith we fly to heaven.” William Shakespeare

[nigel richards]

Thank you Mister Richards, it's a MASTERPIECE indeed :encouragement:

Thank YOU, menef - Have FUN! :-)

[aardvark62]

Lovin it! …

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=66746&stc=1

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=66747&stc=1

Thank You Nigel!

Gary.

[aardvark62]

...And Ulrich!

Gary :)

[Postbaer61]

Nice screenies, Gary :encouragement:
And yes the Nigel's Avros are a real gems.
:ernaehrung004:
Ulrich

[Postbaer61]

FYI
I have just updated the download files.

Last update 27.01.2019 00.15 or 0.15 a.m.

I hope to have corrected all minor bugs now.

And for the statistic
The current downloads in numbers for the FSX natives

FSX_native_AVRO_621_port_over = 527
FSX_native_AVRO_621_Trainer_port_over = 488
FSX_native_AVRO_Tutor_port_over_Part1 = 290
FSX_native_AVRO_Tutor_port_over_Part2 = 245

Cheers
Ulrich

[nigel richards]

FYI
I have just updated the download files.

Last update 27.01.2019 00.15 or 0.15 a.m.

I hope to have corrected all minor bugs now.

And for the statistic
The current downloads in numbers for the FSX natives

FSX_native_AVRO_621_port_over = 527
FSX_native_AVRO_621_Trainer_port_over = 488
FSX_native_AVRO_Tutor_port_over_Part1 = 290
FSX_native_AVRO_Tutor_port_over_Part2 = 245

Cheers
Ulrich

On behalf of P3D users, I once again thank you for so generously making the native conversions of these models available, Ulrich! :-)
I'm sure the updates will be very much appreciated.

:ernaehrung004:

[nigel richards]

...And Ulrich!

Gary :)

Great to see you're having FUN, Gary - Thank YOU Sir! :-)

[Postbaer61]

On behalf of P3D users, I once again thank you for so generously making the native conversions of these models available, Ulrich! :-)
I'm sure the updates will be very much appreciated.

:ernaehrung004:

I thank YOU, to let me do so.
I enjoy your great models every day, since they are available.

:ernaehrung004:
Ulrich

[cavaricooper]

https://i.imgur.com/vfZwXrL.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Fp89znY.jpg

Today's release with all updates...

Nigel- Θαυμάσια, ευχαριστώ, κύριε Nigel!

Ulrich- Edel und wunderbar! Danke!

Best- C

[nigel richards]

I thank YOU, to let me do so.
I enjoy your great models every day, since they are available.

:ernaehrung004:
Ulrich

Ulrich; I'm both honoured and highly grateful, my friend.

:ernaehrung004:

[nigel richards]

https://i.imgur.com/vfZwXrL.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Fp89znY.jpg

Today's release with all updates...

Nigel- Θαυμάσια, ευχαριστώ, κύριε Nigel!

Ulrich- Edel und wunderbar! Danke!

Best- C

Many thanks for these gorgeous screenshots, C! :jump:

[nigel richards]

5 - 6 liveries, custom Wright j-5 soundset, and a flight model full of FUN! :-)

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=66784&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=66785&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=66786&stc=1

[cavaricooper]

Nigel- you are going to “own” this vintage of aeroplanes... they look and fly so much better than several current payware offerings!

Bravo Zulu’s!

Carl

[UnknownGuest12]

Much obliged. Love the 621's, just my kind of a ride...

[AussieMan]

​I'm a happy chappie now. When Nigel first asked me to look at the AVROs I was disappointed because they would not work in P3D. But now they do.

[Postbaer61]

​I'm a happy chappie now. When Nigel first asked me to look at the AVROs I was disappointed because they would not work in P3D. But now they do.

Nice that you have found the way to the native ones.
I hope you enjoy them as much as I do. http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/images/icons/icon7.png

[nigel richards]

​I'm a happy chappie now. When Nigel first asked me to look at the AVROs I was disappointed because they would not work in P3D. But now they do.

Pat: When you're a happy chappie that makes me a very happy chappie too, matey! :wavey:

Eyes 12 for our FSX Native AVRO - PWS - 18 coming soon.

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=67087&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=67088&stc=1http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=67089&stc=1

[NAVY DOC]

Glad to hear, looking forward to it.
Enjoying the ones already released.

Thanks

[Kiwi_biplane]

Thank you, Nigel, thank you, Ulrich!
Great job, great model. I admire your talent! You gave me an unforgettable experience in the simulator!

https://flic.kr/p/R2bRQv
https://flic.kr/p/249ThwT
https://flic.kr/p/2eLiD5X
https://flic.kr/p/2doNNQK