Mirage 2000C

[dhazelgrove]

Does anyone know how the Metal2Mesh Mirage 2000C performs in P3D/P4D?

Dave

[Daube]

It works very well in P3Dv3 with TacPack.
It doesn't work in P3Dv4, because it uses one or more DLL gauge in 32 bits. It displays well, but something in the background doesn't work and I don't know what it is exactly.

[dhazelgrove]

Thanks.

Dave

[chrissykes]

I have it in v4 working OK. The Dell that's in use is the sound gauge which can be changed to the 64 bit version if you know how to edit the panel.cfg file.

[Dimus]

I have it in v4 working OK. The Dell that's in use is the sound gauge which can be changed to the 64 bit version if you know how to edit the panel.cfg file.

That is great news for a lot of people who miss the M2K on v4, like me. Would you like to share more details of this panel.cfg edit?

[chrissykes]

I'll be able to when I'm back home and have the chance to go on the pc.
But IIRC it was a case of copying the x64 version of the dll to the location of the current one. Then change the name of the gauge listed in the panel.cfg to the new one. You need to keep the ini settings as this references the sound files.

[Daube]

I just gave it a try.
The installer I have is only able to detect up to P3Dv2... so I chose that one, then got an error message about P3Dv2 being not found, but it allowed me to continue and specify my own path... I chose the main P3Dv4 folder of course.

After installation got finished, I went to the panel folder of the plane, and renamed the "Mirage 2000C_sound.dll" file to a temporary name.
Then I took a copy of Doug Dawson x64 xlm sound and put it in the panel folder of the Mirage, and renamed it "Mirage 2000C_sound.dll".
That seems to have done the trick, the plane seems to work fine in the sim.
In VR the cockpit is really beautiful and quite readable. Starting cold&dark in VR was easier than I expected.

The load manager seems to work too, I could add the two external fuel tanks. However, that seemed to have no impact on the weight of the plane. Maybe these tanks were empty ?
I checked the fuel&payload menu on the sim, but couldn't understand what value I should change.

[Priller]

I just followed the instructions of Daube, but I still have a few problems:



The loadout manager doesn't work
The HUD doesn't work


Priller

[chrissykes]

I think the weight is controlled by another dll so this might not be working.

[Daube]

I just followed the instructions of Daube, but I still have a few problems:



The loadout manager doesn't work
The HUD doesn't work


Priller

Maybe the loadout manager works only if you have TacPack installed. I do, and I can definitely change the loadouts (I need to click on the "set loadout" red button for it to appear, though...)
The HUD is turned on using the switch which is almost hidden *under* the HUD block. I've seen many people forget about the location of that switch, so I thought perhaps it was the same for you ? The HUD displayed properly on my system.

[chrissykes]

I just followed the instructions of Daube, but I still have a few problems:



The loadout manager doesn't work
The HUD doesn't work


Priller
Loadout manager should work as long as tacpack is installed
Hud should work as this is not changed...

[Dimus]

Thanks Daube and Chris!

This indeed worked. ACM and HUD, as well as radar worked fine with TacPack installed and patched to 4.4 version. A favorite one is back! :applause:

[rvn817j]

Thanks to all who contributed to this thread. I had given up on the M2M M2KC working in P3Dv4 and as of reading this thread I have a working version (with sound). With TacPack, I also have HUD and load menu and a radar (haven't used radar or fired missle yet). Great work. (The HUD requires some messing with switches to turn it on.)

[odourboy]

This is interesting news! I'd written off the M2K when i went to v4. I'm definitely going to have to revisit this. :biggrin-new:

[dhazelgrove]

So, where do we find the 64-bit sound files?

Dave

[Dimus]

So, where do we find the 64-bit sound files?

Dave

You can find it here: http://www.orbxsystems.com/forum/topic/137509-doug-dawson-64-bit-sound-gauge/

I had a very nice session with the M2K last evening. All weapons work with Tacpack and it flies like a dream. Another big thanks to all contributors here!

[rvn817j]

So, where do we find the 64-bit sound files?

Dave

I found the sound file on Doug's site - https://www.douglassdawson.ca/ .

The file is recently updated (12/16/18...U.S. date format...lol) and called dsd_p3d_xml_sound_x64.

The file I replaced was a ".gau" and the replacement file is a ".dll". I don't know how that works, but it did.

[dhazelgrove]

https://i.postimg.cc/05wYCCTZ/Prepar3-D-2018-12-27-14-49-40-53.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/HnXbspwF/Prepar3-D-2018-12-27-14-50-07-26.jpg

Who's a pretty boy, then?

Dave

[RobM]

Did anyone get the external fuel tank capacity to work? Currently for me, when I select the external tanks, they load empty
(you can see this in the fuel and payload manager, and with the the little yellow lit-up "RL" lights in the vc - lit-up = empty).
The fuel system, along with the volumes for the external tanks, are described on pages 36 to 38 of the manual.

In FSX, when you select the external tanks, they load fully loaded.

I can manually add the external tank gallon amounts in the aircraft .cfg ( //External Tanks, fourth zero over, reading left to right),
and the external tanks then show in the fuel manager, but then those external tank amounts and weights load every time with the
plane, even when I haven't selected any external tanks. So each time I load the plane, I have to go into the fuel manager menu,
and zero out those external tank volumes I'm not using.

Everything seems to work fine doing it this way, but I'm wondering if someone found a way to make this happen automatically, or
if maybe I just loaded the plane wrong into P3Dv4.

Thanks - RobM

PS: I'm really grateful for the info to get this plane flying in P3Dv4; this is one of my favourite fighters to fly, jet or piston.

[dhazelgrove]

Did anyone get the external fuel tank capacity to work? Currently for me, when I select the external tanks, they load empty
(you can see this in the fuel and payload manager, and with the the little yellow lit-up "RL" lights in the vc - lit-up = empty).
The fuel system, along with the volumes for the external tanks, are described on pages 36 to 38 of the manual.

In FSX, when you select the external tanks, they load fully loaded.

I can manually add the external tank gallon amounts in the aircraft .cfg ( //External Tanks, fourth zero over, reading left to right),
and the external tanks then show in the fuel manager, but then those external tank amounts and weights load every time with the
plane, even when I haven't selected any external tanks. So each time I load the plane, I have to go into the fuel manager menu,
and zero out those external tank volumes I'm not using.

Everything seems to work fine doing it this way, but I'm wondering if someone found a way to make this happen automatically, or
if maybe I just loaded the plane wrong into P3Dv4.

Thanks - RobM

PS: I'm really grateful for the info to get this plane flying in P3Dv4; this is one of my favourite fighters to fly, jet or piston.

Are you using TacPack?

Dave

[docjohnson]

I have Tacpack for 4.4 and I have enjoyed flying it...

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=66045&stc=1

[RobM]

Are you using TacPack?

Dave

Yes, P3Dv4.4 and Tacpack upgraded to version 1.5.0.5.

However, I have the Mirage in an outboard .xml folder (I like putting planes without proper P3Dv4 installers in outboard folders
if possible; for me it makes fixing, or deleting if it can't be fixed, easier). I don't know if that makes a difference.

Are your external tanks loading filled? You can check this by looking at the total fuel available in the default payload and fuel manager,
before and after adding any external fuel tanks, and seeing if there's any change.

Also in the Mirage's vc, once the plane has power, after adding external tanks, just to the right pf the radar screen, is there a row of
little yellow lights lit up, each light marked with "RL" (the number of lights on will correspond to the number of external tanks loaded)?
Or are all the lights there off?

As I think I understand from reading the manual, if the external tanks are added and the lights are off, it means they're filled; if the
lights are on, it means the external tanks are empty.

Thanks for replying and sorry for being so pedantic. I guess it doesn't make that much difference, I'm just glad to have the plane in
P3Dv4.

- RobM

[Dimus]

Yes, P3Dv4.4 and Tacpack upgraded to version 1.5.0.5.

However, I have the Mirage in an outboard .xml folder (I like putting planes without proper P3Dv4 installers in outboard folders
if possible; for me it makes fixing, or deleting if it can't be fixed, easier). I don't know if that makes a difference.

Are your external tanks loading filled? You can check this by looking at the total fuel available in the default payload and fuel manager,
before and after adding any external fuel tanks, and seeing if there's any change.

Also in the Mirage's vc, once the plane has power, after adding external tanks, just to the right pf the radar screen, is there a row of
little yellow lights lit up, each light marked with "RL" (the number of lights on will correspond to the number of external tanks loaded)?
Or are all the lights there off?

As I think I understand from reading the manual, if the external tanks are added and the lights are off, it means they're filled; if the
lights are on, it means the external tanks are empty.

Thanks for replying and sorry for being so pedantic. I guess it doesn't make that much difference, I'm just glad to have the plane in
P3Dv4.

- RobM

I also confirm this behavior. Tanks load empty. As you said though, I'm more than happy I can fly it even this way.

[chrissykes]

IIRC the wing tanks fuel level could be controlled by the other dll file that controls the weight but without looking or testing I can not confirm.

[dhazelgrove]

IIRC the wing tanks fuel level could be controlled by the other dll file that controls the weight but without looking or testing I can not confirm.

They're all declared as having zero capacity, so won't show on the 'fuel and payload' screen:

// External Tanks
LeftTip = 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 // Left External Tank
External1 = 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 // Centerline External Tank
RightTip = 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 // Right External Tank

The fourth digit is the tank capacity.

Dave

[noddy]

Thanks for the reminder on this lovely model and the suggestion on how to make it work,

[dhazelgrove]

https://i.postimg.cc/Y9P39dTm/Prepar3-D-2018-12-29-12-00-57-07.jpg

Over LFMI Le Tube.

Dave

[odourboy]

Thanks Daube and Chris!

This indeed worked. ACM and HUD, as well as radar worked fine with TacPack installed and patched to 4.4 version. A favorite one is back! :applause:

I've been out of town for the Christmas break but got back home today and had a chance to try this. By golly it does work! I didn't try the ACM, but the HUD and radar are working. I've forgotten how to operate this beast, it's been so long, but it was sure nice to be back in the saddle.

[dhazelgrove]

So. We're all thrilled and wanting some French air bases to fly from.

The good news is that the SkyDesigners French air bases all seem to work in P3Dv4.3 (see earlier screenshots) -- although some of the statics could do with some rework. They don't look too bad if you keep your distance.
There are some texture issues with taxiways, but they are useable.

I'm waiting for MAIW to produce some French aircraft, so I can populate the air bases with AI traffic. I'm having to make modifications to the AFCADs in some cases, as the bases were poorly finished for AI (orphan parking, etc).
I won't be able to release the changes, because the air bases are still commercial products (Simmarket).

Dave

[hschuit]

Dave, I am aware this is off topic but I want to respond to your comment about AI aircraft: At Military AI Works (MAIW) (https://militaryaiworks.com/) we are converting FS9 military AI aircraft for FSX/P3Dv4. Several models have been released in 2018. For the French Air Force/Aeronavale, these models are already available in the MAIW download library (https://militaryaiworks.com/):

- HTAI C-130 Hercules
- NBAI Airbus A400
- NBAI Mirage F1
- NBAI Rafale
- NBAI Sepecat Jaguar
- NBAI Super Etendard

Currently in packaging/quality check, to be released in 2019:
- PSAI Alpha Jet
- MKAI Br.1150 Atlantique

Note: MAIW does not have the rights to convert the FMAI Mirage 2000 models created by Fernando Martinez so do not expect those from the MAIW conversion team.

Henk.

Screenshots from P3Dv4:

[dhazelgrove]

Thanks Henk,

The Mirage F1 gives me enough to be going on with for the present. You haven't mentioned KC-135s or E3As for Avord.
The Jaguars are very welcome for Coltishall and RAFG.

I'll use what's available -- when/if it becomes available.

Dave

[hschuit]

Dave, we are working on the FSX/P3Dv4 MGAI *C-135 family conversion right now and yes, the French AF models will be included. The (Elvis) E-3F is not in the MAIW conversion plans.

Henk.


Thanks Henk,

The Mirage F1 gives me enough to be going on with for the present. You haven't mentioned KC-135s or E3As for Avord.
The Jaguars are very welcome for Coltishall and RAFG.

I'll use what's available -- when/if it becomes available.

Dave

[fsafranek]

Another source of French military AI is from the Royale French Navy (http://royalefrenchnavy.restauravia.fr/) group.

Go to the Scenes page (http://royalefrenchnavy.restauravia.fr/RFN-Creations.htm#Sce) and scroll to the image of the US Navy E-2C. Click the first link in the paragraph.

Here is a description of the package: http://mirage4fs.com/preview34.html

The package was tuned for use with BAN Landivisiau but the aircraft could be used anywhere.

Hope this helps.
:ernaehrung004:

[EmmanuelJacob]

Maybe the loadout manager works only if you have TacPack installed. I do, and I can definitely change the loadouts (I need to click on the "set loadout" red button for it to appear, though...)
The HUD is turned on using the switch which is almost hidden *under* the HUD block. I've seen many people forget about the location of that switch, so I thought perhaps it was the same for you ? The HUD displayed properly on my system.

I 've managed to get the model to load fine on P3D4, with the only problem unsolved, being the HUD. I know where's the power switch as I mark in the picture, but it won't work no matter the switch position.
So my question is... Do I need the tacpack to get the HUD working or is it just for arm selecting, cause I don't care to have the plane armed with fighting effects that tacpack provides.

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=68922&stc=1

[dhazelgrove]

Works for me in P3Dv4.5

[RobM]

Besides the power switch underneath the HUD, you also need to turn on (switch up) the three switches just above the warning light panel.

-Rob

[RobM]

Just fyi, I found out how to add payloads (missiles, bombs, external tanks), along with the correct weights, without Tacpack, using
the default Payload and Fuel Manager. But maybe everybody already knows how to do this (I'm sometimes slow on the uptake).

Anyway, I'll print here in case anyone doesn't know. If you look in the plane's Fuel and Payload Manager, you'll see there's a set of
Stations ST1 to ST5. These require a special two digit code for the relevant payload. There is then a set of corresponding "ballast"
stations BST1 to BST5 for the relevant weights.

When you first go into the Fuel and Payload Manager, you'll see a bunch of dummy numbers in the ST1 to ST5, like 200, 800, etc.
You can just make these 0.

The relevant codes and weights are:

Magic II 550: ST1,ST5 12 BST1,BST5 196
Super 530 D: ST2,ST4 13 BST2,BST4 606

RP541 Fuel: ST2,ST4 20 BST2,BST4 100
RP522 Fuel: ST3 21 BST3 214

MK82: BL1,BL2,BL3,BL4 14 BRW1,BRW2 1000
MK82 SE: BL1,BL2,BL3,BL4 15 BRW1,BRW2 1000
GBU12: ST2,ST4 16 BST2,BST4 500
LFR4: ST2,ST4 17 BST2,BST4 270
AS37 ARMAT: ST2,ST4 18 BST2,BST4 1210
AS39 EXOCET: ST2,ST4 19 BST2,BST4 1480

CANONS: RGUN,LGUN 1 (no corresponding weights)

I copied these from the Fuel and Payload Manager in P3Dv4.4 with Tacpack enabled. Maybe these are printed somewhere in
the Mirage's Manual, but I didn't see them.I haven't tried mixing and matching different codes and their weights to different
stations to see what happens.

The Fuel and Payload manager reverts back to default once you close the sim.

I hope this helps.

-Rob

[EmmanuelJacob]

Besides the power switch underneath the HUD, you also need to turn on (switch up) the three switches just above the warning light panel.

-Rob

Oh it worked... !!! Thank you sir... :D

[endl3ss]

Hi all!
Hadn't really thought about this aircraft at all until I saw some pics of it in P3Dv4.
Got it working thanks to this thread...more or less anyways.
I haven't tested too much of the functionality yet, I've had it only 3 days, so I've only flown around and buckled its wings a bit :)

I do have one issue though, I'm sure it must be my own fault.
For the life of me, I can't get the INS to align. I follow the procedure in the manual to the letter, but something is not right.
All the switches and buttons are in the right position (according to the instructions in the manual, that is; PSM/MIP to ALN with the operation selector to N, PCN/INS is pressed and lit), I'm inputting the correct Lat/Long format and locking it in, same with altitude and locking that in (the local altitude does seem to come up on its own in the display, btw, before I input anything), but the VALIDATE button does not light up.
After that the ALN indicator light just keeps on happily blinking, waaaaaay past the 8 minute mark. When I turn the PSM/MIP operation selector to STS, the display reads "00.00.00 100", and it keeps on like that forever. I also have a N.DEG (Degraded Performance Failure) indicator light showing on the PCN/INS unit, but no clue why; I'm still sitting on the tarmac, parking brakes on, and the aircraft haven't moved. I haven't done anything other than switch on the system.

Any ideas or tips to sort this out?