POSTED! New B-25C/D, Skins & Kit

[Tango_Romeo]

The Ruptured Duck thread is getting a bit long, so I'm announcing the three separate uploads here:

- TR_B-25C Hari-Kari_er Doolittle Raider in Aircraft, US

- Desert (Dirty Gerty) and RAF skins in Skins US

- Reskinning Templates in OD and Desert in Skins US

I expect they will all be in the download que later this evening. :gossip:

[Blue Devil]

Wow, ...that it TR...

...Pfttt, ...hardly worth the wait...


Just kiddin' TR, ...Beautiful A/C, ...thanks.

Can't wait ta dig into the .dp and then go avenge PH.

And thanks et.al. (SC) for the multiple skins...

[Jagdflieger]

Thanks TR!

Looks like the stock B-25 from MS has made its last flight on my computer now that we have this baby.

[MAULET]

wonderful....thank Q.
Jose:rapture:

[Wulf190]

It says in the readme that it has a basic VC, but I see no gauge entries for the VC. Did I miss an update?:help:

[MAULET]

I have problems with "b25_ai_bombs"..., any of the simmers has the same problem...? I get a message there is no such a file...
thanks
Jose

:help:

[Wulf190]

I have problems with "b25_ai_bombs"..., any of the simmers has the same problems...? I get a message there is no such a file...
thanks
Jose


...I'm getting that too....

[sc7500]

Created by Tango_Romeo can be found here:

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/index.php?lloc=downloads&loc=downloads&page=info&FileID=9478

And should take care of this challenge after installation !

SC
:kilroy:

[MAULET]

thanks.... million of thanks... SC
Jose
:wavey::wavey:

[Tango_Romeo]

It says in the readme that it has a basic VC, but I see no gauge entries for the VC. Did I miss an update?:help:

...Virtual Cockpit has no working gauges. You're thinking about a DVC, Digital Virtual Cockpit.....and I don't do them very often. :kilroy:

[Tango_Romeo]

I have problems with "b25_ai_bombs"..., any of the simmers has the same problem...? I get a message there is no such a file...
thanks Jose:help:

My bad! :faint:

The download includes an incorrect BGL and DP for the 'b25_ai_bombs'. The ones included are for 'ai_bombs'. :whistle:

Simple fix: download and install 'b25_ai_bombs' here:


http://www.sim-outhouse.com/index.ph...fo&FileID=9478 (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/../index.php?lloc=downloads&loc=downloads&page=info&FileID=9478)

.....like SC said. :applause:

[Wulf190]

...Virtual Cockpit has no working gauges. You're thinking about a DVC, Digital Virtual Cockpit.....and I don't do them very often. :kilroy:


I know you added a very simple VC for the Bf-110 you built, which is why I wasn't sure if I missed an update.

Would there be a way to transplant the OH_B-25's VC in to yours, or are DVCs hard coded in to the model?:kilroy:

You really built a great 3D model, I just like flying from the VC a lot.:kilroy:

[Blue Devil]

You really built a great 3D model, I just like flying from the VC a lot.:kilroy:

Absolutely TR, ...a VC w/ gauges would be extremely useful and appreciated.

If you can figure out a way to put in the pallet, ...I am sure that we could fill it full of steam-needles directly.

Thanks again TR.

[bub]

Absolutely beautiful!!!!! A double thumbs up to Tango and Sopwith and the rest of the design team. Take the rest of the day off and have one on me.:ernae:

Bub

[Tango_Romeo]

I know you added a very simple VC for the Bf-110 you built, which is why I wasn't sure if I missed an update.

Would there be a way to transplant the OH_B-25's VC in to yours, or are DVCs hard coded in to the model?:kilroy:

You really built a great 3D model, I just like flying from the VC a lot.:kilroy:

Yes, I could put the OH B-25's DVC into my aircraft, if B-24 Guy sent me the FSC file, but no, you can't do it. However, it wouldn't look right, if you could. The MDL file is composed of several models: Main, VC-DVC. Detail, Anime, Origami and Distance, and they need to be matched. And right now I haven't got the time to do a full DVC.

I quit doing them for bombers because this is a combat sim and you (or at least I) can't fly combat in a crewed-bomber from a VC. You need to be in the 2D panel to access the needed screens.....like the rear gunsight or bombsight, nav screens, etc.

Maybe in a couple of weeks I can get one put together, when I get some free time....at least add a detailed panel with working gauges. But at present I will be doing good to get the solid-nose 25 finished.

The Fox Four B-26B and A-26 has got a complete DVC, if you want a good looking attack bomber with a DVC. You can download WWII and Korean versions at the Fox Four site/Extras page (Use the link in my signature).

[Jagdflieger]

Here's a gaggle of Mitchells en route to pummel one of Achim's nice aerodromes in Tunesia. Of course the escort party is by Bruno.

16 of the Mitchells on the screen with frame rates over 30. Way to go TR!

[kelticheart]

Thank you very much, T_R!


:applause: :jump: :applause: :jump: :applause: :jump: :applause:


We needed a new framerate friendly B-25 real bad!

SLURP! Just finished downlaoding it, I am running to my hangar to install it! Can't wait!

Aren't we all kids?.....:costumes:

Cheers!
KH :ernae:

[DauntlessDriver546]

:woot:This is THE best birthday present I ever had!!! :amen:

I think the RCS B-25's sound package will make this the slickest Mitchell I've ever seen!

I'll try and remember to post pictures... :wiggle:

[Tango_Romeo]

...with one of the guns in the DP, so I've attached a corrected version to this post with a TXT extension. Save this file and then change the extension back to DP and replace your original with it. Thanks to PenWin for pointing it out. :gossip:

[Tango_Romeo]

Here's a gaggle of Mitchells en route to pummel one of Achim's nice aerodromes in Tunesia. Of course the escort party is by Bruno.

16 of the Mitchells on the screen with frame rates over 30. Way to go TR!

...no wrath to match that of Dirty Gerty.....particularly with Yosarian at long last grounded. :wave:

Her FPS is not as high as I had hoped, but she'll do. :kilroy:

[Tango_Romeo]

Aren't we all kids?.....:costumes:
[/I] KH :ernae:

...only difference 'tween man and boy is the price of the toy. :engel016:

[kelticheart]

...only difference 'tween man and boy is the price of the toy. :engel016:



....I knew you knew that one!

Cheers!
KH :ernae:

[Rami]

Awesome job, Tango. Thank you so very much! :friday:

[Skipsan]

BZ TR outstanding bird:ernae::ernae::ernae:

Skipsan:kilroy:

[Blue Devil]

TR, ...I got'ta tell'ya, ...

...This is one sweet bird.

Thought I never would, ...but, ...

I'm retirin' the _OH (she just can't swing w/ your girl) and goin' all TR B-25/PBJ-1.

Beautiful .mdl w/ FR's as good as the ol'girl.

Kudos TR, ...ya done good.


Now the Gripes:

G.1 Could ya put a fixed forward firing machine gun (or two) in the .mdl port nose? ...ya have a gunstation there, ...and I was just goin' to put one of oldwheat's Bbl's, ...a gun would do a lot for the A/C. ( if the FR hit wasn't excessive)


G.2 The ventral turret.

There's a gunstation for it, ...but AI doesn't deploy it, ...and PF can't see it.

If it was linked to the gear, ...the AI would deploy it. If it was deployed as default, ...you could retract it. If it was on the "concord nose" you could set it different for PF and AI in the A/C .cfg (I think). Or find a .cfg command (ie. EXIT = 1) so that it could be set one way or the other, ...and then adjusted. The Marines removed most of'em in the PTO because they got cruddy and jammed in their PBJ-1's, ...so it could be ignored w/ the deletion of the gunstation, ...but what a waste for B-25 use.

That's it TR, ...put yourself on Mt. Rushmore for this one...

Thanks.


Note to skinners:

One or these would be warmly received...

Thanks in advance.

[bub]

Blue Devil,

Not to change the subject, would you be kind enough to tell me where you got that panel. Looks good.

Thanks,
Bub

[Blue Devil]

Blue Devil,

Not to change the subject, would you be kind enough to tell me where you got that panel. Looks good.

Thanks,
Bub

Well, ...

...it started out as this b25panel.zip (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/index.php?lloc=downloads&loc=downloads&page=info&FileID=744), ...then I worked on it a bit.

It was my _OH panel, ...W/ the bombsight rig, ...and a control panel (though ya don't really need one, ...cause this one's now 2D)

I'm still tweakin' it, ...(lost the engine shut-down buttons when I went to 2D w/it (though it sped-up the view (hat) change time a lot) and may have to put'em on another panel.

PM me if you want the .cfg file for it. (Would include bombsight .bmps also)


PS. TR, ...How about a PBJ-1 version, ...w/ twin, vertically stacked 0.50cal's in the starboard nose, ...and a retractable ray-dome in place of the ventral turret.

Now, ...that would be EXTRIE Sweet...(might just mint ya on a coin for that one)

Thanks TR.

PSs. Skinners:

[Tango_Romeo]

...ideas and material. Trying to get to it all. However, the next B-25 coming out of the shop will be the D model 'strafer' of the 405th Bomb Sqdn Green Dragons.....and she's getting close to completion. Flying out of the strips near Port Moresby, they were more than a thorn in the side of the Japanese at Rabaul, Wewak and Lae to mention a few. :woot:

[Blue Devil]

...ideas and material. Trying to get to it all. However, the next B-25 coming out of the shop will be the D model 'strafer' of the 405th Bomb Sqdn Green Dragons.....

Very cool TR, ...

Will be lookin' for that one soon...

Thanks.

PS. ALL PBJ-1C/D's deployed to the PTO (combat zone) had a single 0.50cal. tail gun, ...NTS.

Pps. Cowl flaps? ...just askin'...

Thanks TR.

[Pen32Win]

Someone was asking about Sound packages for the Mitchell the other day. The best one I have found is from the RCS Mitchell Mk.III. It's a big D/L but worth it for the sound package alone.

[Tango_Romeo]

...ideas and material. Trying to get to it all. However, the next B-25 coming out of the shop will be the D model 'strafer' of the 405th Bomb Sqdn Green Dragons.....and she's getting close to completion. Flying out of the strips near Port Moresby, they were more than a thorn in the side of the Japanese at Rabaul, Wewak and Lae to mention a few. :woot:

...has chosen to finish the new aircraft as Serial Number 130117, the plane belonging to young Captain Tom Cheli, commander of the 405th Bomb Squadron, The Green Dragons flying out of Port Moresby, in which he earned the CMH. Getting close to posting this new one.:applause:

[Tango_Romeo]

She'll turn-up in the que shortly. :engel016:

I will be in my recliner...reachable only via smoke signal or drums. :faint: :sleep:

[Tango_Romeo]

PS. TR, ...How about a PBJ-1 version, ...w/ twin, vertically stacked 0.50cal's in the starboard nose, ...and a retractable ray-dome in place of the ventral turret. PSS: Skinners:

....and I get you a MDL file. :typing:

[Blue Devil]

Someone was asking about Sound packages for the Mitchell the other day. The best one I have found is from the RCS Mitchell Mk.III. It's a big D/L but worth it for the sound package alone.

Thanks for the tip Pen, ...

Great sound folder.

Intricate engine noise, ...prop whine, ...w/o the heavy base rumble that seems to find its way into these multi's, ...(that knocks the stuff off my desk and blows my speakers out).

My new radial twin...

Thanks P.



You get me a skin....
....and I get you a MDL file.Alas (or all ass acordin' the the little woman), ...

A skinner I am not.

I have, ...however, ...

1. Re-worked the 1% .air and .cfg to reflect -1C specs(including 6th crew tail gunner addition and A/C contact points)

2. Modified the ACM .dp to reflect twin starboard fixed forward firing 0.50's

3. Added single 0.50cal tail gun.(to go w/ your gunner, ...just lose the plexi cone)

4. Deleted ventral gun station. (most of the gunners got sick using it anyway, ...when it worked, ...because of the periscope.) You could leave it, ...swap it for a ray-dome, ...or delete it all together and put the complexity into cowl flaps...

5. added oldweat's gun Bbl's till a proper .mdl comes along. (they use some of the wing rack and bomb hardpoints)

6. Put the 215 gal. long range tank (not to be confused w/ the 335 gal. ferry tank) as a internal drop tank w/ the reduced payloads used w/it, ...so it can be added(filled)/selected/and fuel jetisoned like an aux tank when needed.


There are some fantastic skinners in this wing, ...

I'll make the coffee...

Thanks TR.


EDIT: KM's P-40E Props look sweet on this bird too...

[Pen32Win]

How'd you like those Gear and Flap Sounds? You can almost feel the parts moving...

[bub]

Hi All,

Found this one out there and will see if I can adapt the D-Day Stripes to Tango's model.

TR can you post the Stab fix or email it to me?

Thanks,
Bub

[Sopwith Chameleon]

..............made me do it..............

(After all - it is Blue)

[Skipsan]

OH! how sweet she is:woot::woot: Sopwith C:ernae::ernae::ernae: Will she be uploaded/down loadable soon:wiggle:

Great stuff:Banane09:

Skipsan:kilroy:

[Blue Devil]

..............made me do it..............

(After all - it is Blue)

Aaaawesommmme!!! SC, ...(as my kids say...)

A PBJ-1 to be proud of, ...Many Kudos and Thanks...


I've go all the rest of the A/C in the shed, ...waitin' on TR's .mdl.



The "Bushido Boys" aught'a be wettin' their trousers right about now...

Thanks again SC, ...Sweet skin indeed...

[Tango_Romeo]

..............made me do it..............(After all - it is Blue)

....a Peanut Butter & Jelly! You've probably given BD a coronary! :caked:

[Ravenna]

Feeling a bit like Elmer Fudd here....VEWWY FWUSWATED!! Using Pen's method I have tried to add 12 bomb group markings to the vertical stabs, but I just can't get them to behave. Even the slightest variation sends me off the map. After 10 tries this is my latest (and probably my worst). Anybody want a crack at this?

[Pen32Win]

Howdy Rav.;

Read them again. I think you're doin' it backwards..

You've got to paint from the Hinge to the outer edge of the surface you're working with. That's why the directions have the line about leading and trailing edges as well as the pixel reference to the corner of the box you've got to work with. If the reference says Top Right Corner that maeans your workspace is to the Left and Below that point. With this one you've got to work from the Center (the hinge) outward.

Hang in there, you'll get it.

[Tango_Romeo]

...learned and tested for basic soundness a method to have the two separate parts (vstab and rudder) take a single texture map at a 1:1 scale, i.e. the placement and scale issue for repainting those areas will be totally eliminated. I will redo the MDL file when I get back from my short rest period. At the same time, I will apply the same process with the wings/ailerons/flaps. :engel016:

Though I am not (and have no desire to become) an expert texture guy, I have been forced to...correction, suckered into...learning some tricks of that trade due to my unlimited empathy for the agony and suffering of my fellow CFS2 aficionados.....he said with tongue planted firmly in cheek. :costumes::costumes: :kiss:

[Pen32Win]

And your diligence and efforts will be greatly appreciated, Sir. :ernae:

Well you are from the Volunteer State!!!:costumes:

[Tango_Romeo]

Well you are from the Volunteer State!!!:costumes:

...an often unfortunate trait that my state and my personality share. :faint:

What the hell was David thinking when he and the boys stayed at the Alamo! Of course, the majority of the 'Texicans' were Tennessee transplants as well. We'll never live it down. :caked:

[Tango_Romeo]

Until such time as I get a viable solution posted, you might consider the simple option: confine your tail numbers and insignia to either the vstab or rudder without trying to spread them over both. :wiggle:

This is not inaccurate historically, as many units had only the last three digits of the serial number displayed on the vstab or rudder. The same is true for the squadron insignia.....in fact, the vast majority had no such markings at all.:wavey:

[Ravenna]

Yep, in desperation I tried that on the last try. The above was the result! Nevertheless, I'll try again tomorrow.Now I know how Sisyphus felt!

[Tango_Romeo]

...will be the death of me yet. She's like a vampire sapping my precious bodily fluids. She's sort of like the Cherokee Queen...it's always more, more, more.... :costumes:

Grumpy is trying to get me into the local CFSA (Combat Flight Simulator Anonymous) chapter. He's threatening an intervention, if I don't come to the next meeting. I can hear it now: My name is Tango and I'm a FlightSimAholic. :friday: He'll be my partner, the guy I call at 2AM as I'm losing the battle with the craving and am about to reinstall. :help:

Sacre' bleu, Blackhawk!
Relax, Pierre, Gustav is bringing more wine and cheese.
Merde', Blackhawk, screw the wine and cheese! Where's the Knob Creek?

[Tango_Romeo]

Yep, in desperation I tried that on the last try. The above was the result! Nevertheless, I'll try again tomorrow.Now I know how Sisyphus felt!

...Greeks out of this. :focus: Now get your shoulder into that boulder. :caked:

[Pen32Win]

Hey TR;

What is the Diameter of the Lower Turret in your Regular C/D MDL?

I'm gonna recreate Pappy's Drop Tank for the C-1 and they fit it to the hole left by the removal of the turret.

[Tango_Romeo]

Hey TR;

What is the Diameter of the Lower Turret in your Regular C/D MDL?

I'm gonna recreate Pappy's Drop Tank for the C-1 and they fit it to the hole left by the removal of the turret.

...computer and I can't get back to it until morning, so I can't tell you until then. :kilroy:

But that's a great idea. It can double as the retractable radome for the Peanut Butter & Jelly. :jump:

[Pen32Win]

No Rush TR,

We've been without a really good B-25C/D for 9 years, a few hours/days/weeks..... ain't gonna make squat ,ya know.

Just a little Icing for the Cake. If I can find some good photos of the Regular Bomb Bay Tank I'll probably do that too. And maybe some .30 Cal gun tubes for the later C-1's that'll stick out the rear side windows......

Oh, before I forget, one other measurment would be helpful, the height of the fuselage at the Fore/Aft center of the lower turret. I don't want to make it too tall.

[hellcat44]

...She's like a vampire sapping my precious bodily fluids. She's sort of like the Cherokee Queen...it's always more, more, more.... :costumes:



I know the feeling TR....once had a woman that used me up faster then a roll of toilet paper. :Banane36:
One can only hope our appreciation for your work will restore your life force.........................:Banane18:

[Tango_Romeo]

Hey TR;

What is the Diameter of the Lower Turret in your Regular C/D MDL?

I'm gonna recreate Pappy's Drop Tank for the C-1 and they fit it to the hole left by the removal of the turret.

...2.902 feet for the diameter of the ventral turret, and 7.25 feet for the height of the fuselage at the centerpoint of that turret. :kilroy:

[Blue Devil]

Hey y'all, ...

I found a similar panel here at SOH (pbj-b25.zip by 39th_Led)
that had a little more room, ...

...But it has some alpha pin-holes that show through...

Anyone out there that can fix the "michell.bmp"?


Thanks in advance.

[Tango_Romeo]

....some nice texture upgrades by Sopwith:

- Green Dragon fuselage and stab BMPs

- Dirty Gerty stab BMP

- Hari-Kari-Er stab BMP

They should be in the que tomorrow....

It just keeps getting better for us B-25 aficionados. :engel016:

[AGAS 5]

...But it has some alpha pin-holes that show through...

Anyone out there that can fix the "michell.bmp"?

I don't have the time to fix it at the moment.... but I can point you in the right direction....

The pin holes are caused by areas that are colored pure black on the .bmp. The only bits that should be pure black are the window areas.

To fix, simply use a paint program - MS Paint might even do it - and color those pin hole areas a very dark Grey or match the surrounding color.

The cause may be due to some color loss during compression. Indeed it may have happened whist zipping them up after the author had completed his testing - he/she may not even be aware of the problem....

Cheers,

Pete

[Sopwith Chameleon]

....some nice texture upgrades by Sopwith:

- Green Dragon fuselage and stab BMPs

- Dirty Gerty stab BMP

- Hari-Kari-Er stab BMP

They should be in the que tomorrow....

It just keeps getting better for us B-25 aficionados. :engel016:


..............Tidyed up the Dragon - wasn't happy with the old one............

[Blue Devil]

I don't have the time to fix it at the moment.... but I can point you in the right direction....

The pin holes are caused by areas that are colored pure black on the .bmp. The only bits that should be pure black are the window areas.

To fix, simply use a paint program - MS Paint might even do it - and color those pin hole areas a very dark Grey or match the surrounding color.

The cause may be due to some color loss during compression. Indeed it may have happened whist zipping them up after the author had completed his testing - he/she may not even be aware of the problem....

Cheers,

Pete

Thanks A, ...

...That did the trick.

Used MS Paint.

The mistake that I was makin' was going through DXTBmpx first.

It would fix it, ...the save it as a 7meg .bmp, ...instead of the original 472k.

I thought it used a special format that I needed, ...but didn't have.


...Now, ...to fix the jagged panel bars on the _OH P-39...

Thanks again Pete.

PS. The trick I use is:
1. pick the primary (left mouse) color as true green (or any high vis color), ...and the secondary (right mouse) color as pure black.
2. "select all" then "copy" the entire .bmp.
3. "delete the entire selected .bmp. (which will leave you w/ a black square.)
4. "fill" (bucket) paint the square primary (true green)
5. "paste" the saved .bmp back onto the square.
6. select clear see-thru alpha (the bottom button)

Now, ...all the pure black in the .bmp is now true green.

Pencil in the pin-holes, ...then "fill" the true green areas back to pure black.

This also works to swap or change any one color to another.

Note: It will change ALL of that color, ...so be careful w/ blacks and greys.

Enjoy.

[AGAS 5]

No worries mate.

Yeah, panels are different from normal textures with alpha channels.... it sorta does it for you using the pure black bits.

Glad you got it sorted :jump:


Hey SC, that looks great !! well done !!

Pete

[Tango_Romeo]

Yep, in desperation I tried that on the last try. The above was the result! Nevertheless, I'll try again tomorrow.Now I know how Sisyphus felt!

..progress to report, or are you just waiting on my upgrade to the MDL mapping? :wave:

[bub]

To Report......

Try this on for size, TR. In helping out Michael, I came up with this.

[Tango_Romeo]

What a nice treatment on the rudder/vstab. A great example of the work-around. Not to mention the very attractive skin.

[Doolittleraiders]

New guy here... Interesting thread. Not to rain on the parade, but the overall markings for Hari-Karrier could use a bit more work... It never ceases to amaze me that with all the pictures we have of the aircraft that folks still depict the Doolittle Raider aircraft with the wavy camo demarcation lines. Below is a link to some shots of one of the aircraft - and you can find more of Hari on Todd Joyce's website (Son of one of the Raiders) at the next link.

http://doolittleraid.com/Research01.htm
http://www.doolittleraider.com/raid_photos.htm

Ryan

[Tango_Romeo]

...the Outhouse, Ryan. :engel016:

[Doolittleraiders]

...the Outhouse, Ryan. :engel016:

Thanks! BTW. Nice work on the B-25. Any chance it would work in FS2004?

Ryan

[hellcat44]

TR had a lot more help then he admits to....BTW bub...nice paint!

[Sopwith Chameleon]

.............Sighs, Spits on floor, .........reaches for paint brush...........

[Tango_Romeo]

TR had a lot more help then he admits to....BTW bub...nice paint!

...the girls don't know the war is over. You could ruin everything. :caked:

[Tango_Romeo]

.............Sighs, Spits on floor, .........reaches for paint brush...........

...as soon as I can find that corrected vstab BMP that I did, I'll fix the mapping. :kiss:

[Sopwith Chameleon]

.............Sighs, Spits on floor, .........reaches for paint brush...........




...............pushes back cap, wipes hands on paint soaked rag, lights stogie, - pauses to admire handiwork, - looks forward to paycheck ..........


(HK - no wavy lines - no exhaust ports - Vert Stab fixed, name painted out with fresh OD for security, wing anhedral still there, thinks "oh F%$#-it"............)

[Tango_Romeo]

...totally PC on me. Screw security! I'm a rebel through and through. Damn the torpedoes! Damn the Damn Yankees! Damn the Damnocrats! Lock and Load! :costumes::costumes::costumes:

BUT :medals: anyway...because I know you love it.:engel016: :applause:

[Bill Kestell]

:woot:
Oh, SC ... this just gets BETTER AND BETTER AND BETTER!!!:faint:

[Sopwith Chameleon]

................are we having fun yet Tango? :faint:

[Sopwith Chameleon]

New guy here... Interesting thread. Not to rain on the parade, but the overall markings for Hari-Karrier could use a bit more work... It never ceases to amaze me that with all the pictures we have of the aircraft that folks still depict the Doolittle Raider aircraft with the wavy camo demarcation lines. Below is a link to some shots of one of the aircraft - and you can find more of Hari on Todd Joyce's website (Son of one of the Raiders) at the next link.

http://doolittleraid.com/Research01.htm
http://www.doolittleraider.com/raid_photos.htm

Ryan


..........wouldn't want you to stay amazed................:kiss:

[Tango_Romeo]

................are we having fun yet Tango? :faint:

....'Why Do We Bother?" attack. :spider::costumes: You know I fly my missions from inside the cockpit, but I'm about to post the little beauty.

[Doolittleraiders]

..........wouldn't want you to stay amazed................:kiss:

Oh, don't worry about it. Good 3d modelers always fascinate me. I enjoy dabbling with it, for projects like the paper model B-25 on my site (that another guy designed), but am not really that good. The new version is VERY nicely done. Sorry that I was so negative with the first post. It's just surprising to me how many times the Raider's aircraft are depicted that way with all of the photographs available.

Ryan

[Tango_Romeo]

...............pushes back cap, wipes hands on paint soaked rag, lights stogie, - pauses to admire handiwork, - looks forward to paycheck ..........


(HK - no wavy lines - no exhaust ports - Vert Stab fixed, name painted out with fresh OD for security, wing anhedral still there, thinks "oh F%$#-it"............)

I've just uploaded this new skin and you should see it in the download que tomorrow.

[Tango_Romeo]

Believe me I jibe you rivet-counters without mercy, but all in good fun...

I've been waiting patiently for some rivet-counter to point this out, and though a lot of stuff has been singled-out for change or improvement, no one has mentioned this most glaring of faults:

The Doolittle Raiders were B-25B models that had no astradome for the Nav/Crew Chief/Flight Engineer atop the fuselage. There was only a square window.

You guys are falling down on the job! :bump::173go1:

[Sopwith Chameleon]

Oh, don't worry about it. Good 3d modelers always fascinate me. I enjoy dabbling with it, for projects like the paper model B-25 on my site (that another guy designed), but am not really that good. The new version is VERY nicely done. Sorry that I was so negative with the first post. It's just surprising to me how many times the Raider's aircraft are depicted that way with all of the photographs available.

Ryan



No offence taken, as I'm sure non was intended - TR is the Modeller (and he's very good) - I just goof around with the paintgun .........

:wave:

[hewman100]

I've been waiting patiently for some rivet-counter to point this out, and though a lot of stuff has been singled-out for change or improvement, no one has mentioned this most glaring of faults:

The Doolittle Raiders were B-25B models that had no astradome for the Nav/Crew Chief/Flight Engineer atop the fuselage. There was only a square window.

You guys are falling down on the job! :bump::173go1:

Does this mean you're sorting out a 'B' then T_R?:whistle:

[hellcat44]

and not to be a nit picking :Banane31: ...but when are the girls gonna replace the tail gun
with two black painted broom sticks? :a1089:

[Tango_Romeo]

Does this mean you're sorting out a 'B' then T_R?:whistle:

...by doing a B and several more, but I suspect that would be overkill. The C/D were the most numerous models...exactly the same except for point of manufacture..and numerous field modifications...representing roughly 50% of total production (~4000 of ~8000). The subsequent G, J and H models I think have already been done. :gossip:

[Tango_Romeo]

and not to be a nit picking :Banane31: ...but when are the girls gonna replace the tail gun
with two black painted broom sticks? :a1089:

...a closet rivet-counter. :wave:

The girls and I are 'in-conference' in the over-bombay crawlspace at the moment. We're checking a possible problem with a wiring harness. It's a very tight fit in here and the girls have put me in a very expansive mood. It might be awhile before I can get myself extracted. But I'll get them on that job as soon as practical. You wouldn't have a warm damp washcloth handy, would you? :whistle:

(The B model did not have a tail gun to be replaced. They just stuck the broomsticks in the tailcone for looks....and they looked pretty good too.)

[hellcat44]

As my Dad use to say "hc...never crawl into tight places without your gun greased.",,,, or maybe it was grease gun? :friday:

[Sandydog]

T_R, I think the plane is GREAT, and the updated HK skin is Dag Blag fantabulous except for some misplaced rivets. . .:kiss:

Other than the li'l blurbs you already pointed out that makes this a C and not a B (too many astrodomes, an excess of lower turrets, an extra feller peeking out the back, no broomsticks up its butt), the correct tail number for Hari-Karrier is '02249', for SN 40-2249, not 022249. It's an easy fix even with MSPaint.

Should anyone like a .dp that's more -B (five guns total, though--the bottom two can be expunged when this grievous error is 'rectumfied':kilroy:),uses FDG bombs and has exhaust flames, the attached might be to your liking.

[Tango_Romeo]

....the file will be very useful. :welcome:

I told those guys at the paint shop that there were not 22,249 airframes contracted in 1940. It's artistic license I suppose, and those painters are kinda high-strung. :wiggle:

The guys at the sheet metal shop are expecting you at 1PM for the rivet project. :ernae:

[Doolittleraiders]

Oh well, if we're talking rivets I might as well mention a few more issues...
The windows on the B model and early Cs were different.

http://partsrparts.homestead.com/B25Bwindows.html

Ryan

[Sopwith Chameleon]

Oh well, if we're talking rivets I might as well mention a few more issues...
The windows on the B model and early Cs were different.

http://partsrparts.homestead.com/B25Bwindows.html

Ryan


Thanks for the link - I'll leave it to Tango to make the announcement about the dedicated Dolittlle Model...............

You know - this Project has taken on a life of its own - lets roll back a little, Tango's original intention was to give us all a poly-lite FPS freindly model that looked like a Mitchell in the game, to replace the botched job that the MS Stocker was (in spite of the huge improvements that the B24 Guy gave us)

In this he suceeded admirably, and deserves everyone's gratitute for improving the Game - all I've done (and again - my original intent) is to provide a set of clothes to make her look good in the Game

Not to flatter myself, but I thought I did an OK job

I apologise to those who are disappointed with the results

I don't know about Tango, but I'm getting close to the place where I don't want to do this anymore...............

I know how many hours I've put in to this, which must be a lot less than Tango who has borne it all with his customary good humour, and has met every request with alacrity ..........

When you've got 4 Zeros on your tail, are you really counting the exhaust stubs? (they're not right either - I have to work within what the mapping will allow)


This was never meant to be the definitive Mitchell - use Roy Chaffin's for that - and see how many you can put up over the Slot before you're watching a slide show ................


I'm outa here

[hellcat44]

SC,,,you should know by now that rivet counters can be insatiable ...try to satisfy them at your peril.
Your excellent paints have always been appreciated by the vast majority.

[UncleTgt]

:amen:Amen to that - it's a combat sim, & ALL mods need to be viewed with that end in mind.

... still, if you & TR didn't do such FINE work, you wouldn't attact such demanding "fans":faint:

[Sandydog]

[/quote]... still, if you & TR didn't do such FINE work, you wouldn't attact such demanding "fans":faint:[/quote]

That's RIGHT! It's not a matter of 'disappointment,' it's a matter of "Wow! This is GREAT work! I'm gonna KEEP this one! Gawrsh, if I ask nicely, somebody that knows how to DO something can make it a li'l more like a Mk.17A Type XIIa instead of a Mk.17B Series XVI. . ."

You can't please everyone COMPLETELY, but I think that everyone's pleased ADEQUATELY with how this plane and its liveries have come out.

No matter how many rivets are misplaced (as well, many of them are single-flare, and not the requisite double-inverted flare as required by NA Spec. 39-6789A:engel016:), I'm stilll enjoying the H*ck out of flying this thing.:applause:

[Doolittleraiders]

Not to flatter myself, but I thought I did an OK job

I apologise to those who are disappointed with the results

I don't know about Tango, but I'm getting close to the place where I don't want to do this anymore...............

I know how many hours I've put in to this, which must be a lot less than Tango who has borne it all with his customary good humour, and has met every request with alacrity ..........

Sorry to have apparently caused this. I've been there before on different projects. Just was enthusiastic about the effort to honor the Doolittle Raiders with the model. Also thought it was very neat.

Ryan

[Sopwith Chameleon]

Sorry to have apparently caused this. I've been there before on different projects. Just was enthusiastic about the effort to honor the Doolittle Raiders with the model. Also thought it was very neat.

Ryan


Don't worry about it Ryan, your input is valuable - its just that we've steered away from what we originally intended - which is a relatively simple (although TR would no doubt quarrel with me over my choice of words) model, meant to look good in numbers in missions - you shoot it - it'll shoot back - you hit it - it'll burn, hit it hard enough and it'll go down.......

...........all meant to be viewed through a Gunsight (this is a Combat sim)

Its been made flyable, with various payloads, so you can fly bomb runs - but then you're sitting inside .......... and you should be too busy just to gaze around .........

Its not, and never was, meant to be just eye candy - there are other sims for that

Its not payware

Its a gift from Tango

We know people are demanding, we know its never going to please everyone

But we've tried (and are trying) to cover the main variants so's folks can fly what they want

We've just done the best we can, and we've tried to give people what they wanted

A suggestion - if you're going to call someone's baby ugly - do it privately - thats what pm's are for ................


Jim

[Sandydog]

Don't worry about it Ryan, your input is valuable - its just that we've steered away from what we originally intended - which is a relatively simple (although TR would no doubt quarrel with me over my choice of words) model, meant to look good in numbers in missions - you shoot it - it'll shoot back - you hit it - it'll burn, hit it hard enough and it'll go down.......

...........all meant to be viewed through a Gunsight (this is a Combat sim)

Its been made flyable, with various payloads, so you can fly bomb runs - but then you're sitting inside .......... and you should be too busy just to gaze around .........

Its not, and never was, meant to be just eye candy - there are other sims for that

Its not payware

Its a gift from Tango

We know people are demanding, we know its never going to please everyone

But we've tried (and are trying) to cover the main variants so's folks can fly what they want

We've just done the best we can, and we've tried to give people what they wanted

A suggestion - if you're going to call someone's baby ugly - do it privately - thats what pm's are for ................


Jim

Unfortunately, you've ALSO gone and created something of such quality and detail that it's drawn the interest of many, as few other recent creations have.
Some of us take the 'accuracy' aspect of CFS2 a little too seriously; It's a curse. What started out as a few not-so-good models that vaguely resembled real aircraft has grown into something that has amazing accuracy and realism, with aircraft that duplicate those of the heroes of our childhood (and later-middle-aged-hood, as well). For some of us, those accurate models are a form of tribute to those heroes.
With CFS2, we can have all of the 'eye candy' of those tubeliner sims, and still blow up a few things when necessary--the best of both worlds.

[Tango_Romeo]

We should also keep in mind that the B-25, though only 8,000 were produced, was one of the most modified and varied aircraft ever produced. There were so many variants from the factory that they had to be referred to by the aircraft number within the model...for example the B-25D-30.

I'm not really sure that there were ever any two B-25s that were exactly alike...and possibly one of the aircraft's attractions. :costumes:

PS - I heard that there might be a G Model in the works...but don't quote me. :kilroy:

PSS - Nix that...I forgot that I am on sabbatical, and we've had so many new aircraft piling in since the new year that the faithful may not be able to cope. Too much of a good thing, etc. :faint: