AH Curtis Commando Released!

[cavaricooper]

Dumbo... here I come :)

C

[YoYo]

Dumbo... here I come :)

C

It always good to give a link :).

https://www.justflight.com/product/c46-commando here it is. :wavey:

[Roger]

Paid and downloaded but the log in screen in the installer doesn't work for some reason. I'll try again later. Can't wait to get airbourne.

[Roger]

Still not working but I'm out now for a while so hopefully it'll work when I get back.

[wombat666]

Working here.
:encouragement:

[txnetcop]

Saw all the pics...she's beauty (in her own way) alas, no bucks for a while... great job AH!
Ted

[huub vink]

Enjoy guys! And make sure to post some screenies. Especially the VCs are always great stuff.

Cheers,
Huub

[worknow]

Same here!
Product authentication screen pops up but nothing happens when I press login.
(Win10, AV on/off P3Dv4)
Cheers, Marc

[stovall]

Saw my first Commando last year at Oshkosh 2016. The sound of the engines is a real experience. I was impressed on just how big this aircraft is. It was in Boeing square very close to a C-47. Two very different aircraft.

[Cirrus N210MS]

same here i e-mailed them about the login not working :wavey:

[Wim]

No problems here, up and away she goes.:applause:

[Martyn]

Please re-download the installer if you encounter login issues.

Thanks
Martyn

[Alan_A]

She looks great. How does she fly?

[Bomber_12th]

Installed, and having some fun! Been looking forward to this one!

[worknow]

New installer solved problem!!!
Installing now!

[jim]

Downloaded the software; still will not install. The login screen seems to lock up. Anybody got any ideas?
OOPS Latest download (with -101 in title) works

[wltaylor]

Downloaded, installed and made first flight. This is a keeper!:redfire:

[Roger]

Redownloaded and now installer works! Off to fly:engel016:

[Willy]

Looks great! But due to r/l considerations, I'm going to have to wait a while to get it.

Is there a paint kit available for it?

[Martyn]

Looks great! But due to r/l considerations, I'm going to have to wait a while to get it.

Is there a paint kit available for it?

The paint kit should be available tomorrow.

[Cirrus N210MS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZcKyLcLL0o&feature=youtu.be

[manfredc3]

Just purchased, and downloading now. Too bad I have to wait till late tonight before I can give this bird a try (work is calling, grr)

[blanston12]

Purchased!

Too bad I have to wait until I get home to download and try it, even then it will probably be tomorrow before I really have time to check it out.

[worknow]

Love it!
Had to change viewpoint a bit to match my TrackIr and added a view for the GPS.
Good VC, very good external and nice paints (3 variants: Mil, Civ and Cargo with 2 different VC).
Aircraft seems a bit overpowered since it reaches overspeed very easy - haven´t tried a heavy plane yet.
Now back to next flight...
Cheers, Marc

[Bomber_12th]

I love the sounds(!) and she flies very nicely - handles like a big plane, but still quite docile/responsive to the controls. I love that you have the equivalent of a Corsair or P-47 strapped to each wing, pulling you along. Perhaps the most tricky aspect is just taxiing to and from the runway - to get it to turn, you need a lot of brakes and a good amount of power at slow speed (and make sure the tail wheel is unlocked!) - getting the hang of the way it handles on the ground, I'm sure I took out a few taxiway lights along the way. Before reading all of the manual, I just took it up and used the typical low-power settings that I know are normal for R-2800's, and it performed all as expected (later, reading more of the manual, the numbers listed to use for the power settings were all nearly identical to what I used/knew to be true for R-2800 operation, so that's always good - usually only the difference of an inch or two of manifold pressure per setting between the various dash numbers of R-2800's).

Here's a few screenshots from a first test flight -

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4372/35651286674_fbb3a1bba1_o.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4415/36486567425_b40cb811bd_o.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4371/36486566635_338e5626ef_o.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4331/36486566255_4c5eaacb6a_o.jpg

[Bomber_12th]

Possible idea/motivation for a repaint: http://www.platinumfighters.com/curtiss-c-46d

I've thought this to be one of the most attractive C-46's around.

http://www.michaelprophet.com/News_articles/News_articles2010/images_Cochabamba2010/22.jpg

http://www.michaelprophet.com/News_articles/News_articles2010/images_Cochabamba2010/20.jpg

[cavaricooper]

John-

Your screenshots, like Yo-Yo's are absolutely stunning (always). Thank-you!

Carl

[Josh Patterson]

Saw my first Commando last year at Oshkosh 2016. The sound of the engines is a real experience. I was impressed on just how big this aircraft is. It was in Boeing square very close to a C-47. Two very different aircraft.
Yeah, Tinker Belle looked great last year in her new coat of paint! It's impressive how big the Commando really is! It is almost identical in size to the Stratoliner, but with two engines. (It makes me wonder how the B-17 would have performed with a pair of 2800s vs four 1820s! There's only around an 800 hp difference.) Seven minutes left on my download.:applause:

[Josh Patterson]

Possible idea/motivation for a repaint: http://www.platinumfighters.com/curtiss-c-46d

I've thought this to be one of the most attractive C-46's around.

http://www.michaelprophet.com/News_articles/News_articles2010/images_Cochabamba2010/22.jpg

http://www.michaelprophet.com/News_articles/News_articles2010/images_Cochabamba2010/20.jpg
Only seven years ago. Wonder if it's still flying? It is a really attractive scheme. Imagine if they really gave the lower half a serious polishing!

[Bomber_12th]

Some screenshots from a flight around ORBX freeware Barth airport (inspired by one of Carl's fantastic screenshots posts). Having flown both, now, I think I prefer the instrument layout in the civilian/modified panel compared to the original WWII panel, as you get all of the flying instruments right in front of you - really nice!. As always, all screenshots are from FSX.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4371/36092521770_ffa95ed556_o.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4331/36489524165_af3fc6b289_o.jpg

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https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4337/36092525090_748495baab_o.jpg

[Bomber_12th]

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4405/36092524200_2ca72d003e_o.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4393/36092524780_2b52160785_o.jpg

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https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4378/36092523580_28fc822992_o.jpg

[Bomber_12th]

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4414/36489525275_311d8807f3_o.jpg

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https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4339/36092522490_9c8a6276a6_o.jpg

[manfredc3]

Loving these screen shots.Can't wait to get home and take her for a spin.

[cavaricooper]

John-

Absolutely salivating over these pics, but unable to fly until tomorrow.... especially appreciate your insight into her flight and handling characteristics... I'm planning on Fairbanks - Galena runs in this one... soon!

Best- C

[dvj]

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4339/36092522490_9c8a6276a6_o.jpg

I'm getting nothing but "jaggies" on all the panel lines. Very distracting. I don't see them in your screenshots. So I'm off to adjust graphics card settings. -d

[heywooood]

anyone want to talk about frame rates on a 3.6 or better CPU? also - is there a difference depending on which panel is used (vc) ?

[YoYo]

I'm getting nothing but "jaggies" on all the panel lines. Very distracting. I don't see them in your screenshots. So I'm off to adjust graphics card settings. -d

Did You try 2x SSGS in NVidia Inspector (or more, but x4 or 8 can have FPS hit). Its a good option for this and FSX problems with AA.

[Javis]

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4355/36092523080_559eaff2d9_o.jpg






John, i have to say, the depth of view you have accomplished in this particular screenshot is incredible ! Could almost be 3D ! Well done, sir ! :applause: :encouragement:

Cheers,
Jan

[IanP]

I'm in the wrong country to even look at this one right now, but it seems, at least, that C-46s were never actually stationed in the UK prior to the end of the war? I know one of the 9th Air Force TC squadrons used them, but that seems to have been based in Italy, before moving to an ALG in newly occupied France, for casualty evacuation duties.

Does anyone know any better?

Look forward to playing with this when I get chance and finances to do so... ;)

Ian P.

[AviatorMoser]

I say it with a heavy heart, as I would looking forward to this release, but this plane is a bit of a mess. Problems I have found:



no functional interior lighting -- the rheostat knobs are there but they don't do anything
the warning lights are always on -- stall, engine fire, marker beacon, gear light are always illuminated
Engine 1 would never start under the described procedure in the manual while Engine 2 starts first try
civilian VC has a panel that floats one foot away from the wall it's supposed to be attached
the manual is very bare bones -- it does not even provide a recommended power setting for cruise
after finding the recommend cruise power settings in the actual manual, the plane cruises about 30 knots too fast -- at speeds comparable to the L-049
the landing light would extend but not illuminate sometimes
the vertical speed indicator in the military VC would not measure the actual rate of descent correctly -- 500 FPM was actually 1000 FPM
overstressing the engines is inconsequential -- CHT temperatures barely budge above 100 deg C when going 55" MP, 2500 RPM, and 240 KIAS


Now all of this can be fixed, but for $40 I expected a plane that at least had parity with the Manfred Jahn C-47.

[Bomber_12th]

I'm in the wrong country to even look at this one right now, but it seems, at least, that C-46s were never actually stationed in the UK prior to the end of the war? I know one of the 9th Air Force TC squadrons used them, but that seems to have been based in Italy, before moving to an ALG in newly occupied France, for casualty evacuation duties.

Does anyone know any better?

In the case of the 313th Troop Carrier Group, C-46's began arriving at Folkingham, England around February 1945 to replace their C-47's and then the Group later moved to Acheit Le Grand, France prior to Operation Varsity. The 313th C-46's were used in Operation Varsity, with the Group's four squadrons totaling 72 C-46's in all. The currently airworthy/flying Brazilian C-46 I provided the sales link to at the top of this page is one of those C-46's that were used in Operation Varsity, as is also the static C-46 on display at the Castle Air Museum in California. The story about the 313th TCG combat vet survivor C-46 at the Castle Air Museum can be read here: http://www.airbornetroopcarrier.com/c-4644-77575.html

A few 313th TCG photos taken in early/spring 1945.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4384/36455932056_d6f6d30470_b.jpg

This photo was certainly taken at Folkingham, England, upon the delivery of the new C-46's:
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4341/36455932566_a2977dce1b_b.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4413/36105814250_dbc7897d05_b.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4380/36365166121_c2c5cc2268_o.jpg

[Bomber_12th]

Some more photos from the 313th Troop Carrier Group (different Squadron than the photos in my previous post - note the close proximity among all of the serial numbers).

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4425/35693924003_a5c405a463_b.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4426/36105975150_de72dec6d9_o.png

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4418/36365482941_dc22752154_b.jpg

C-46's belonging to the 314th Troop Carrier Group, photographed at Barkston Heath Airfield, England in 1945.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4410/36105726830_deeb65a214_o.jpg

[YoYo]

...but for $40 I expected a plane that at least had parity with the Manfred Jahn C-47.

To be honest, remember than Manfred's C-47 wasn't perfect too from the first day. AH will fix I think many of noticed bugs like always. It's normal in our time (unfortunately) so here a reason than I will wait a little after 1-2 patches :D.

[jeansy]

even with panel and gauge lights on when you hit a shade or the sun is behind you the VC is unreadable

http://www.fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2017/08/12/2017-8-12_1-21-43-414.png

[SSI01]

She looks great. How does she fly?

It's a gentleman's airplane, requires a fair amount of rudder to turn. Can handle a fairly steep bank, though. Just remember, lots of rudder.

[SSI01]

I say it with a heavy heart, as I would looking forward to this release, but this plane is a bit of a mess. Problems I have found:



no functional interior lighting -- the rheostat knobs are there but they don't do anything
the warning lights are always on -- stall, engine fire, marker beacon, gear light are always illuminated
Engine 1 would never start under the described procedure in the manual while Engine 2 starts first try
civilian VC has a panel that floats one foot away from the wall it's supposed to be attached
the manual is very bare bones -- it does not even provide a recommended power setting for cruise
after finding the recommend cruise power settings in the actual manual, the plane cruises about 30 knots too fast -- at speeds comparable to the L-049
the landing light would extend but not illuminate sometimes
the vertical speed indicator in the military VC would not measure the actual rate of descent correctly -- 500 FPM was actually 1000 FPM
overstressing the engines is inconsequential -- CHT temperatures barely budge above 100 deg C when going 55" MP, 2500 RPM, and 240 KIAS


Now all of this can be fixed, but for $40 I expected a plane that at least had parity with the Manfred Jahn C-47.

Glad you found the same glitches I did. Made several tries at starting No. 1 by the book finally got feddup and went to ctrl+e and away we went. I was running 30/20 on my MAP/RPM and was getting almost 200 mph, at 8500 ft and no load in the aircraft out of the old bird. Left RPM at about 2000/2100, MAP at 27/28 inches to get bird back to around 175-180 MPH.

The old CalClassic C-46 had a distressing habit in FS9 of overheating at the drop of a hat during taxi. In this rendition there isn't any problem at all with overheating. Ground handling using just diff brakes and power works pretty good to get one around an airport.

[cavaricooper]

...the more I read, the more I believe I will wait for a SP (or 2) before purchasing.... she does look good and I am sure Just Planes and AH will have her sorted in no time. Top notch people at both organizations.

Best- C

[Bomber_12th]

I had some trouble getting the right engine manually started early on too, but once I made sure I actually had fuel pressure (as indicated by the fuel pressure gauge, after playing around with the fuel selectors), I haven't had such issues and I can get either engine started manually - of course making sure the mixture levers are rich, that the fuel booster pumps are on, and that the primer switch is on (per engine) during the use of the starter/mesh switches.

Screenshot I took that I liked of the military cockpit, waiting at the entrance to the big hangar at Saginaw Intl.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4387/35678084113_ebcb5c48c8_o.jpg

[WarHorse47]

It's funny how we all have different observations with the same aircraft.

My flights are typically low altitude and short. I just want to get up, fly and get a feel for the aircraft and its instruments. So far most of my flights are with the military version as I work through all the different textures.

When I first load the flight, the exterior lights are on. After I land, I can shut off all the lights with the overhead switches but they don't seem consistent in what controls what. I agree with the issue on the VC night lighting. I'm tempted to add my own vclighting, but want to wait and see what JF does.

My biggest issue is the inability to change the Com1 or Nav1 with the overhead panel. It hasn't been reported here, but there is some discussion on the JF form. I had to edit the [radios] section to get them to work.

The other item noted was the artificial horizon. I can barely see it.

Other than that I'm still enjoying it while I wait for JF to come out with a patch or update.

[mgchrist5]

I concur with everyone else's observations about several issues with the C-46. I still like it, and think it has potential that will hopefully be fulfilled after the inevitable first patch or two.



Engine 1 would never start under the described procedure in the manual while Engine 2 starts first try


I'm having problems with starting either engine. I've tried the manual checklists as well as several different procedures and variations of the mixture/mags/prime/start/mesh pattern, in addition to trying variations of front/center/rear tanks (supposed to start on front tanks IRL, I think), but cannot seem to get a consistent start with either engine. Ctrl+E doesn't even work reliably for me. Could be something on my setup, but I haven't narrowed it down yet. Confusing, as I haven't encountered this issue with any other plane in my hangar.



the manual is very bare bones -- it does not even provide a recommended power setting for cruise


Here are the cruise figures for the Calclassic model, which should be in the ballpark. For the autorich/autolean functions, you could use Bjoern's excellent automixture gauge.

CRUISE:
Max - 32"/2100rpm AUTO LEAN
Econ - 30"/2000rpm AUTO LEAN
Long Range - 28"/2050rpm AUTO LEAN

[dvj]

It's funny how we all have different observations with the same aircraft.

My flights are typically low altitude and short. I just want to get up, fly and get a feel for the aircraft and its instruments. So far most of my flights are with the military version as I work through all the different textures.

When I first load the flight, the exterior lights are on. After I land, I can shut off all the lights with the overhead switches but they don't seem consistent in what controls what. I agree with the issue on the VC night lighting. I'm tempted to add my own vclighting, but want to wait and see what JF does.

My biggest issue is the inability to change the Com1 or Nav1 with the overhead panel. It hasn't been reported here, but there is some discussion on the JF form. I had to edit the [radios] section to get them to work.

The other item noted was the artificial horizon. I can barely see it.

Other than that I'm still enjoying it while I wait for JF to come out with a patch or update.

I had to adjust my DX10 Fixer shading settings in order to see the military panel. Very dark, hard to see anything. The civil panel looks quite nice. Agree, no interior lighting and a few other minor problems. The sound set is great. First adopter's have long expected that SP's are the regular course and come a few weeks after launch. -d

[Roger]

I invariably need to add extra vc lighting to many new models. for the C-46 I've added these lines (using Manfred's original C-47 vc lights):

[LIGHTS]
//Types: 1=beacon, 2=strobe, 3=navigation, 4=cockpit, 5=landing
light.0=4, 17.995, -1.38, 4.85, fx_c47_vclight
light.1=4, 17.995, 1.38, 4.85, fx_c47_vclight

[Alan_A]

Thanks for the PIREPs, guys. Think I'll hold off 'til after a service pack or two, then come on board.

[Bomber_12th]

Some screenshots from a few circuits around Willow Run, where "Tinker Belle" will be displayed at/flying at in the Thunder Over Michigan airshow coming up in three weeks (one C-46, and many C-47's). Granted, it probably wasn't such a great idea, as there was a pretty good thunderstorm rolling through near the area at the time (numerous planes leaving/arriving on IFR flight plans, but fortunately it wasn't IFR around the airport itself).

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4414/36112367520_047ab22315_o.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4434/36112366940_81cdc3f79e_o.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4402/36112366350_ff75371b7d_o.jpg

I was forced to make a go-around at one point, with traffic still on the runway, but I liked this screenshot as a result.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4378/35674222364_86ae145208_o.jpg

[bazzar]

The lighting rheostats are inop on this model. The start procedure must be followed for cold/dark. Select center tanks, primer, starter, mesh (while starter is running. Once the start switch zeroes, you will not be able to start without resetting.)The cold/dark switch will zero EVERYTHING. So you must go through the steps. We'll be looking at any other issues for an SP. Instrument lighting is controlled from the switch on the OHP and in the military version, UV is also available as an option, using the switch on the left side console. I'm afraid I don't understand the comment re panels floating one foot away from the wall (?) :engel016:

[StormILM]

Some screenshots from a few circuits around Willow Run, where "Tinker Belle" will be displayed at/flying at in the Thunder Over Michigan airshow coming up in three weeks (one C-46, and many C-47's). Granted, it probably wasn't such a great idea, as there was a pretty good thunderstorm rolling through near the area at the time (numerous planes leaving/arriving on IFR flight plans, but fortunately it wasn't IFR around the airport itself).

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4414/36112367520_047ab22315_o.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4434/36112366940_81cdc3f79e_o.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4402/36112366350_ff75371b7d_o.jpg

I was forced to make a go-around at one point, with traffic still on the runway, but I liked this screenshot as a result.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4378/35674222364_86ae145208_o.jpg

I refueled and re-oiled Tinker Belle 25 years ago when she stopped in to our FBO. Quite a beast and beauty of an aircraft. I really love the sound of it's R2800's at TO Power. Incidentally the C-46 was the first aircraft my late father flew on when he first enlisted in the Air Force many moons ago. They retired the type not terribly long afterwards.

[gray eagle]

I'm confused. Is this C-46 released/for sale? I ask because, when I went to AeroPlane Heaven's web page, there are pictures of it but no $$$ listed or download options.
http://www.aeroplaneheaven.com/product_c46.php

(http://www.aeroplaneheaven.com/product_c46.php)


Edit: I see it's on sale at JF any plans to sell it from AH site?

[speedy70]

It is being sold by Just Flight only.

Cheers Chris

[jeansy]

is anyone else having problems the AP?

when trying climb with the AP, it climbs for a minute or two then nose dives and or exceeds the set amount VS and stalls out even when I set it to 100 VS its either doing plus or minus 600 i struggle to get about 4000 with the AP before it dives or stalls

this is some what annoying as it doesnt stick to level flight as well even when doing 200kts, sorry but the AP FDE is horrible

it follows the route no problems but up down, no go

on the lighting topic where is the switch to turn off the semi visible nose light? and the panel lighting dials are they just for show? because as stated when in the vc is shadowed, you can see anything

[WarHorse47]

Overhead switches (or labels) for the instrument lights and beacon are reversed if anyone is taking notes.

Also, I've discovered that the overhead frequency knobs for Nav1 and Com1 do function except they only change the standby frequencies. Doesn't help if you try and change primary frequencies for the older panel.

[jeansy]

Overhead switches (or labels) for the instrument lights and beacon are reversed if anyone is taking notes.

Also, I've discovered that the overhead frequency knobs for Nav1 and Com1 do function except they only change the standby frequencies. Doesn't help if you try and change primary frequencies for the older panel.

I noticed that as well, to turn the beacon on you need to use the instrument light switch, and vice versa

[jeansy]

Ive changed the AP to the settings from something similar in size and have fixed to uncontrollable pitching and its now flying level and steady

[autopilot]
autopilot_available = 1
use_no_default_bank = 1
use_no_default_pitch = 1
flight_director_available = 1
default_vertical_speed = 700
autothrottle_available = 1
autothrottle_arming_required = 1
autothrottle_takeoff_ga = 1
autothrottle_max_rpm = 90
pitch_takeoff_ga = 8
default_pitch_mode =0
default_bank_mode =0
max_pitch = 10
max_pitch_acceleration = 1
max_pitch_velocity_lo_alt = 2
max_pitch_velocity_hi_alt = 1.5
max_pitch_velocity_lo_alt_breakpoint = 20000
max_pitch_velocity_hi_alt_breakpoint = 28000
max_bank= 25
max_bank_acceleration = 1.8
max_bank_velocity = 3
max_throttle_rate = 0.1
nav_proportional_control = 9
nav_integrator_control = 0.25
nav_derivative_control = 0
nav_integrator_boundary = 2.5
nav_derivative_boundary = 0
gs_proportional_control = 9.52
gs_integrator_control = 0.26
gs_derivative_control = 0
gs_integrator_boundary = 0.7
gs_derivative_boundary = 0
yaw_damper_gain = 0
yaw_slip_control_gain=0.000000
yaw_control_uses_trim=0.000000

[AviatorMoser]

I'm afraid I don't understand the comment re panels floating one foot away from the wall (?)

In the civilian VC.

http://i.imgur.com/FAm1ECXh.png

http://i.imgur.com/98tiNhGh.png

http://i.imgur.com/1BHoDZ7h.png

http://i.imgur.com/wSSBFR3h.png

[bazzar]

ah.. ok..one for the SP then. Thanks. :engel016:

[bazzar]

I noticed that as well, to turn the beacon on you need to use the instrument light switch, and vice versa

Could be a mouse rectangle clash, I'll take a look.

[bazzar]

Overhead switches (or labels) for the instrument lights and beacon are reversed if anyone is taking notes.

Also, I've discovered that the overhead frequency knobs for Nav1 and Com1 do function except they only change the standby frequencies. Doesn't help if you try and change primary frequencies for the older panel.

Yes, it looks like the different versions are going to need separate CFGs. There are no standby's in the military cockpit. The civ cockpit does so the radio entries need to be different.

[MustangL2W]

Love the WWII Airborne photos of the C-46 from that timeframe. I'm hoping some more WWII repaints come along for this model.

I really wish you could fly this one around with the "Jump" doors open like you can on the C-47 for Paratroop ops. My Dad had several Jumps out of C-46's in Panama and other places when he was in Special Forces in the early 60's. Dad was in one that limped home on 1 engine over the Caribbean Sea for several hours returning to Howard AFB from an operation in the leeward islands. Dad said he wasn't nervous until the Air Force guys in the airplane started donning parachutes with pale faces and "terror" in their eyes. He always said both engines needed replacing after they got back.

[banjoman1960]

is there a way to change the panels to the old one(nogps)
i also miss all the features the MJ c47 offer,no copilot,no failtures.........
i hope there comes more than only a patch,i think the standards for payware are not the same as a few jears ago,see c47 or dc6:ernaehrung004:
model and paints look very good,but no realismus:frown-new:.......

before i buy the next plane,i check wat it has to offer.........for me,i buy no more only nice looking planes,minimum is c47 level...................

cheers
Ralf

[bazzar]

Ralf, you need to compare apples with apples. If you are seriously expecting PMDG DC6 level simulation with the C46 then no it will disappoint you. But then it has not taken 4 years to develop or cost the same. MJ's C47 is a masterpiece but again, I am envious of the development time and resources that have gone into it. The hobby is rapidly changing and developing into a two-party system - those that require "study-sim" level and those who do not. Both need to be catered for and are. Neither is bad nor wrong.:engel016:

[Roger]

Ralf, you need to compare apples with apples. If you are seriously expecting PMDG DC6 level simulation with the C46 then no it will disappoint you. But then it has not taken 4 years to develop or cost the same. MJ's C47 is a masterpiece but again, I am envious of the development time and resources that have gone into it. The hobby is rapidly changing and developing into a two-party system - those that require "study-sim" level and those who do not. Both need to be catered for and are. Neither is bad nor wrong.:engel016:

It's a good point you make Baz, when you consider how many aircraft AH/JF have released in two years then study level is not going to be what you get, especially at their prices. Okay there are sometimes going to be fixes required, but on the whole we get them.

[SSI01]

Bazzar, just wanted to let you know this is a WONDERFUL airplane. I work around whatever issues there are, knowing you will deal with them and get used to this bird, a great deal of fun - and memories. When I was around 10 or 12 we lived under one of the approach paths for Willow Run airport in Ypsilanti, MI. We had a constant parade of CV-340s, CV-440s, CV-580s (Frontier, Republic, North Central and Allegheny airlines), and C-46s passing over our home at maybe 800/1,000 ft AGL or so. Zantop had a large operation at WR and were frequently observed flying overhead. So was Flying Tiger Lines, also in C-46s. It was a far more innocent time than now, when on a slow evening Dad and I would buzz down to the approach end of the runway at Willow Run or sometimes Detroit Metro (then also called Wayne Major) airport and these birds, large 4-engine prop birds, and the early jets on short final would fly right over our heads, couldn't have been more than 100-150 feet up. I miss that. Having something like this brings those memories back vividly.

Thanks again for this excellent aircraft!

[AussieMan]

I have taken note of the feedback here and posted the major anomalies over on the beta test page. I dare say that all these will be fixed in a future SP.

All through testing I did not have any problems starting the engines using the procedure in the manual. However a friend of mine who flew DC-3s for an airline in the early part of his career told me that you always start the #2 engine first as that is where the main generator is located.


EDIT: Paint kit for the C-46 is available from the Just Flight web page.

[Daveroo]

Bazzar, just wanted to let you know this is a WONDERFUL airplane. I work around whatever issues there are, knowing you will deal with them and get used to this bird, a great deal of fun - and memories. When I was around 10 or 12 we lived under one of the approach paths for Willow Run airport in Ypsilanti, MI. We had a constant parade of CV-340s, CV-440s, CV-580s (Frontier, Republic, North Central and Allegheny airlines), and C-46s passing over our home at maybe 800/1,000 ft AGL or so. Zantop had a large operation at WR and were frequently observed flying overhead. So was Flying Tiger Lines, also in C-46s. It was a far more innocent time than now, when on a slow evening Dad and I would buzz down to the approach end of the runway at Willow Run or sometimes Detroit Metro (then also called Wayne Major) airport and these birds, large 4-engine prop birds, and the early jets on short final would fly right over our heads, couldn't have been more than 100-150 feet up. I miss that. Having something like this brings those memories back vividly.

Thanks again for this excellent aircraft!

to all,i appologize right up front,this has nothing to do with the C-46,
SS101,a good friend of mine here in California was a fire buff and collected more then 30 fire engines before his death (at a young age i might add,three kids the oldest of them was 6 at his death.),but why imm telling you this,he made a trip to Ypsilanti and bought an old Seagraves fire engine ,he also brought home a jeep fire engine same trip,but he just loved the seagraves and id never would have heard of a town called Ypsilanti had it not been for Dan,i cant look at a seagraves today ,or see the name in print without remembering my friend.

[manfredc3]

Any new release pf an aircraft can expect a patch/update shortly after release. even the PMDG ones have. No matter how much beta testing is being done.
So I do not worry about the bugs reported being fixed.

I am now just hoping for the quick release of the paint kit, so that the magicians here can start doing their magic with their paint brushes.

I am enjoying this bird a lot

[AussieMan]

I am now just hoping for the quick release of the paint kit, so that the magicians here can start doing their magic with their paint brushes.

Paint kit is available on the JF site.

[wombat666]

Ralf, you need to compare apples with apples. If you are seriously expecting PMDG DC6 level simulation with the C46 then no it will disappoint you. But then it has not taken 4 years to develop or cost the same. MJ's C47 is a masterpiece but again, I am envious of the development time and resources that have gone into it. The hobby is rapidly changing and developing into a two-party system - those that require "study-sim" level and those who do not. Both need to be catered for and are. Neither is bad nor wrong.:engel016:

Something that people should really take into consideration.
Yes, I have the 'Study Sim' DC6 and while it is brilliant it takes me so long to get it airborne another day is done!
And I'm too old to lose a day like that.
Honestly, I'll take an aircraft that looks like the real deal and gets me airborne after a relatively short flight check every time, but that's my preference.
And those who wish to go from cold and dark have the right to do so if they prefer, choice is a wonderful thing.
But given the development time and costs we can't have all the bells and whistles in each and every package.
The C46 is fine for my parameters, a couple of minor bugs but they will be sorted.
:encouragement:

[banjoman1960]

Ralf, you need to compare apples with apples. If you are seriously expecting PMDG DC6 level simulation with the C46 then no it will disappoint you. But then it has not taken 4 years to develop or cost the same. MJ's C47 is a masterpiece but again, I am envious of the development time and resources that have gone into it. The hobby is rapidly changing and developing into a two-party system - those that require "study-sim" level and those who do not. Both need to be catered for and are. Neither is bad nor wrong.:engel016:

it is a very nice plane.......and i do not expecting PMDG DC6 level for the price.........i love to pay more for the features i miss:engel016:........

i found a way to change to the old vc..............maybee i can ad some features myself,is there a way to get realengine to work in p3dv4?

[SSI01]

to all,i appologize right up front,this has nothing to do with the C-46,
SS101,a good friend of mine here in California was a fire buff and collected more then 30 fire engines before his death (at a young age i might add,three kids the oldest of them was 6 at his death.),but why imm telling you this,he made a trip to Ypsilanti and bought an old Seagraves fire engine ,he also brought home a jeep fire engine same trip,but he just loved the seagraves and id never would have heard of a town called Ypsilanti had it not been for Dan,i cant look at a seagraves today ,or see the name in print without remembering my friend.

A little off-topic but a fun fact - the original "Domino's" pizza parlor is located in Ypsi. The chain got its start there.

[IanP]

A quick question for Baz, if he's lurking around here anywhere... Not just applying to this one, it's something I can't check while I'm overseas or I'd do so myself. Are AH aircraft done with lots of LODs for multiplayer flying?

Ian P.

[gaab]

Honestly, I'll take an aircraft that looks like the real deal and gets me airborne after a relatively short flight check every time, but that's my preference.
And those who wish to go from cold and dark have the right to do so if they prefer, choice is a wonderful thing.

The C46 is fine for my parameters, a couple of minor bugs but they will be sorted.
:encouragement:

I share this approach and like this C46. I just would like a favor : the "right" to mess up the start sequence.... If I miss one step I never succeed to retry...

I know it is clearly written in the documentation (that I have carefully read several times) :


Although not installed in the real aircraft, we have incorporated a COLD DARK START switch in the overhead
panel. If you use this switch, the aircraft will be placed in a ‘Cold & Dark’ state. This switch can only be used
once per flight and you will need to reset the flight if you wish to use it again.

nevertheless it would be great to be able to "play it again, Sam".



Sufficient priming is also important to the process.


Does this mean we must wait between setting prime and activating the starter ? I noticed I had better chance to succeed when I do it, but I wonder if it is just a "placebo" effect ;)
Can we check on some gauge that booster and prime have done there job. ?

Just few remarks (on civilian panel)
- the primers stay on for ever - should not they automaticaly turn off after a while ?
- most of the time, the right mesh don't automatically switch off (while this happen on the left one).

I also noticed that the gear level is moving the opposite way of the mouse drag. It took me some time to discover it :(

Thanks for your attention.

Gérard

[flaviossa]

Just got it, but will postpone installation waiting service packs to show up!

[dvj]

Just got it, but will postpone installation waiting service packs to show up!

Is that like building an Ark, and waiting for it to rain? ;-)

[Mach3DS]

Can I polish the skin? And does it incorporate discrete specular textures for the exterior and not just a single generic specular like the hunter? (Please say yes, fingers crossed)... I requested it a long time ago when it was first announced...but obviously you can't cater to everyone...however this would have been one of the better things to implement...I'm really hoping!!!!

[bazzar]

For those having problems with the start/restart, here's a brief runthrough.
First use the Cold/Dark switch to turn everything off. Return this switch to its default position- OFF.
Battery Switch ON
Tank wheels right click to "center"
Mixture levers full forward.
Check ignition ON and Mags to both
Select engine you wish to start.

Now this is important-I think that some people are not recognising that the start and mesh switches are mirrored for the right engine. Which means that if you switch the left hand switch first as you do for the left engine, you are in fact only switching on the MESH and not the START.

So if you start the right engine first, switch on the PRIMER ,second left on the switch panel for the right engine. Now switch on the START switch which is extreme right of the panel.The starter will stay on for approx. 40 seconds with the prop turning over in which time you must switch on the MESH switch (to the left of the START switch) and HOLD IT ON until the engine fires. Turn off the PRIMER-it is not automatic.

Now repeat for the left engine but remember that the switches are mirrored so PRIMER is second right on the left engine start panel. The START is extreme left and the MESH is to the right of the START switch.With engines running, hit the Cold/Dark switch again and you should be able to go through the whole procedure again. Just remember all the stages.
You can easily leave out the tanks or perhaps the mixture controls. The engines will not start if you do.:engel016:

[jeansy]

Can I polish the skin? And does it incorporate discrete specular textures for the exterior and not just a single generic specular like the hunter? (Please say yes, fingers crossed)... I requested it a long time ago when it was first announced...but obviously you can't cater to everyone...however this would have been one of the better things to implement...I'm really hoping!!!!

like the dove, that every part had different properties

[Paul K]

May I ask for some comments on the C-46's take-off run, and how quickly it gets off the ground ? I have two other A.H. aircraft, the Chipmunk and Helldiver, and both seem to have almost STOL-like take-off characteristics. I'd be grateful if someone could load the Commando up to maximum weight and see how quickly it becomes airborne.

Thank you.

[icycle]

May I ask for some comments on the C-46's take-off run, and how quickly it gets off the ground ? I have two other A.H. aircraft, the Chipmunk and Helldiver, and both seem to have almost STOL-like take-off characteristics. I'd be grateful if someone could load the Commando up to maximum weight and see how quickly it becomes airborne.

Thank you.

Unfortunately, for me at least, somewhat "STOL-like", as you describe. Loaded to near MTOW, still seems to accelerate very rapidly. That being said, really like the visuals, and a lot of potential here.

Bill

[Aircanuck]

May I ask for some comments on the C-46's take-off run, and how quickly it gets off the ground ? I have two other A.H. aircraft, the Chipmunk and Helldiver, and both seem to have almost STOL-like take-off characteristics. I'd be grateful if someone could load the Commando up to maximum weight and see how quickly it becomes airborne.

Thank you.

I agree, it's the first "Stol" C-46 off the production line ?? I'm sure this and all the other concerns noted by our fellow simmers will be addressed shortly.

Nice bit of kit, bring on the P47 :)


Cheers

[Aircanuck]

One additional thought I might add,

I'm finding even after I've tweaked the CH Yoke inputs the C46 seems to be very sensitive on the control surfaces.


Cheers for now

[heywooood]

Is that like building an Ark, and waiting for it to rain? ;-)

better that way than waiting til the flood is at your knees...

[thefrog]

One additional thought I might add,

I'm finding even after I've tweaked the CH Yoke inputs the C46 seems to be very sensitive on the control surfaces.


Cheers for now
I usually have to temporarily tweak the flight tuning section of many of my aircraft until a suitable patch comes out

In aircraft.cfg:

[flight_tuning]
elevator_effectiveness = 1.0
aileron_effectiveness = 1.0
rudder_effectiveness = 1.0
pitch_stability = 1.0
roll_stability = 1.0
yaw_stability = 1.0

[Mach3DS]

like the dove, that every part had different properties

Thanks for the reply Matt. I have no experience with the Dove... but, are you saying that each of those shades of black represents an inconsistent material setting, meaning that you can't actually achieve the same level of reflections etc. per texture? That would be a shame! Hopefully I'm misinterpreting what you're saying? But that's how that screenshot is helping me understand your comments.

[worknow]

W&B is also messed up. Pilots weights add up on one side of the plane.
If you change the fuel load, you might notice that it changes the CoG in a strange way, but I can´t find that fault in the aircraft.cfg must be the air-file.
I have my 2 days off now and will do some research on the plane/engines to see what modifications need to be done until a fix is released.
I still love the plane but it seems that the project had to be finished in a rush....

[gaab]

Hello,

As I continue to "play" with the C_46, I noticed that

- switching the starter activates the rotation of the motor. I thought, reading the documentation (but I am not an english native speaker), that it is the mesh which actually start the rotation of the propeller.
- the tooltip of Fuel Tank Pump switch 2 displays the status of the switch 1

Regards

Gérard

[bazzar]

For those who doubt the capabilities of the aeroplane, please read this: https://www.cafsocal.com/our-aircrafts/our-aircraft-and-history/c-46-china-doll/flying-the-c-46/:engel016:

[avedis]

For those who doubt the capabilities of the aeroplane, please read this: https://www.cafsocal.com/our-aircrafts/our-aircraft-and-history/c-46-china-doll/flying-the-c-46/:engel016:

good read thanks

Richard.

[Alan_A]

Fascinating reading. Had no idea.

[icycle]

Wow, great reading. Was not aware that the airplane was so agile, especially given it's size. So I guess the STOL-like characteristics are pretty accurate here.

Bill

[wombat666]

It's not STOL, never was STOL, just a much better aircraft than its apparent size lead people to (mistakenly) believe.
:173go1:

[icycle]

Correct. To be clear, don't think anyone was defining it as a "STOL" - clearing a 50 ft obstacle, after a 1,500 ft - or less, takeoff run (DOD/NATO) aircraft per se, but more "STOL-Like" than it would, on the surface, appear. I can also see how it is a little more of a "handful" on the ground, esp. at low speeds, too. Which also appears by accounts to be accurate.

Bill

[jeansy]

Thanks for the reply Matt. I have no experience with the Dove... but, are you saying that each of those shades of black represents an inconsistent material setting, meaning that you can't actually achieve the same level of reflections etc. per texture? That would be a shame! Hopefully I'm misinterpreting what you're saying? But that's how that screenshot is helping me understand your comments.

those areas of black had a 100% black alpha layer, I was trying to do the high shine alpha polished look, to find out that every part of the model, the alpha properties was different, AH mentioned they dont do that style of mapping, and that you need to paint the polished metal look

If I wanted to do a high shine polished look I was going to need to some and work out how to wrap it up in aluminum foil and apply several layers of high gloss clear, I dont think the PC's monitor wouldve liked that

I found with some of the recent AH/JF releases that your skill set of high shine is not possible based on how AH do their mapping properties, but having a quick look at this paint kit, I may be wrong with this one but im not holding my breath from past experiences

I just find it interesting that we cant have a high shine with their products, sorry dont want to be seen as the party pooper but I guess the 17yrs of developer they have, their ways of doing things and they are sticking to it as they stated they there is no hard evidence that 3rd party paints increase sales. But if developers insist that 3rd party involvement does nothing, we I guess we have to assume that they are 100% correct and not going to change their ways

Just saying

It would be nice to see all the 3rd party mods like paints like your polished schemes, vc upgrades and FDE tweaks that are often seen for other packages from other developers as they do notice and appreciate the 3rd part involvement and accept it as normal business practice for longevity of the package.

[Mach3DS]

Edit:. Ok well, that aside, I'm really excited for this one. Hopefully it flies well and gets me my Buffalo experience!

[hairyspin]

Rick, have you thought of dropping a polite email to AH on the subject? You had positive responses from a different developer and we all enjoyed your work with the updated results. I suggest that approach might be more gladly received than public dissection of a previous model.

[Mach3DS]

Good idea! I don't mean any disrespect either, because being a developer these days is a tough proposition! So I've erased my response in lieu of PM, and in regard to not having my comments misconstrued or thought of as negative any some way, which they weren't intended that way.

[WarHorse47]

My default flight is cold and dark. Whenever I load the C-46, the battery, navigation lights and avionics are already on. Does anyone know why?

Is this because of some xml file when the aircraft is loaded, or is it because of the missing entries in the [electrical] section of the aircraft.cfg?

I was just wondering if there is a way to control the electrical systems upon loading the aircraft.

[gman5250]

My default flight is cold and dark. Whenever I load the C-46, the battery, navigation lights and avionics are already on. Does anyone know why?

Is this because of some xml file when the aircraft is loaded, or is it because of the missing entries in the [electrical] section of the aircraft.cfg?

I was just wondering if there is a way to control the electrical systems upon loading the aircraft.

I can't tell you why some planes load warm, but...

My default for starting FSX and P3D has always been to boot into the default flight.
Once the sim is loaded, a plane can then be set up to the cold and dark condition and saved out as a flight/scenario.

When the sim has loaded in default configuration, load the saved flight and you should get the plane in the condition in which it was saved.

[SSI01]

Has anyone heard anything about repaints of this bird? Not sure if the paint kit has been released by AH yet, I was on the forum yesterday and saw nothing about a paint kit for the use of our texture artists.

[WarHorse47]

I came across two on Avsim by Gustavo Aguiar.

[jeansy]

The paint kit was released a few days after its initial release date

[Martyn]

The paint kit is available here - https://www.justflight.com/support/c46-commando

[jeansy]

Im slowly going through the paint kit and re doing it for the way I like bare meta tones and detail rather than plain grey with a black alpha, once I have the base metal done, then i can start on some repaints

excuse the panel lines at the moment, im using them as reference for now

please bare in mind, AH paint kits lack a lot of detail, so this isnt a 5 minute job

http://www.fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2017/08/22/2017-8-22_23-26-44-550.png

[jeansy]

http://www.fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2017/08/23/2017-8-23_0-2-37-7412.png

[Roger]

Looking very good Matt!

[worknow]

I spend some days now tweaking the aircraft. Engines perform now but W&B and fuel are still messed up.
W&B influences the performance, too (obviously) so the whole aerodynamics would need an update.
Since something with the fuelgauges went wrong, I can´t fix W&B now (centre tank feed in different speeds).
So I guess it all has to wait until there is a SP by the developer.
Since both versions of the aircraft are included (3 and 4 blades), they should split the planes into two folders to show the difference in performance.
Some settings in the aircraft-cfg do not match the air-file so I had to change them or remove entire entries.
Don´t get me wrong - I like the plane and I don´t expect it to be study level but some of the bugs mentioned here in this thread are just basic.
I don´t want a refund - I want a working classic, not a plane of shame.
Cheers,

Marc

[AussieMan]

Marc, I think these matters are better dealt with in a PM to Martyn. From your post I am assuming you have flown the C-46 in real life.

[SSI01]

I came across two on Avsim by Gustavo Aguiar.

D/L'd 'em. Thanks!

[Martyn]

Any feedback or bug reports posted on various forums such as this one have been logged and reported to the developers, and they are all being investigated.

Thanks
Martyn

[cavaricooper]

Martyn-

I am always impressed with your/JF's professionalism and ability to accept ALL feedback without bristling.... that's not always the case.

Cheers Mate!

Carl

[BendyFlyer]

Yet another promising aircraft parked in the hangar till some critical issues get sorted out, in other words SP1 etc. This is not JF but AH (the creators) they seem more times than not to be let a product go before having tested it thoroughly or run it through to sort out the operational stuff, never an issue with the model or the textures (well how they do them is another issue). Still there is another way of looking at it; release it early, get some dollars back to pay for repairs and rectification and you have all the eager flight sim community to do your beta testing for you.

I think I can remember only one of their products that has worked out of the box so to speak and has yet to need a SP.

I was really looking forward to this one and I will just have to wait until it is fixed.

Lets hope they don't do an update and stuff all the early release liveries like they did with another product!

[worknow]

Marc, I think these matters are better dealt with in a PM to Martyn. From your post I am assuming you have flown the C-46 in real life.
No, Pat. This is exactly not what I wanted to, because a PM will just end in an offer for a refund and that´s not my intention.
It´s a way to show other users that they are not the only ones having trouble with an unfinalised product and a chance for the dev team to correct this (Since their so called beta testers failed).
Martyn already made his statement and I will be glad to make a purchase recommendation once this thing is finished.
...and feel free to click on my profile the check my experience.

Cheers,

Marc

[speedy70]

Marc I agree with you entirely and this problem is not only confined to AH,Milviz have a similair problem.

It seems the customer is fast becoming the Beta Tester.

Cheers Chris

[bazzar]

Let us make one thing perfectly clear here. We do not run the beta testing process, Just Fight does. If Just Flight are happy with the results of the process, they release the product. That is their decision not ours (AH). The way something flies is very often a personal opinion and not a "critical issue". On the C46, we have created the FDs to replicate the flight reports from real pilots with time on the type, and contemporary manuals, POHs etc.

Any comment regarding our productions can either be addressed directly to Just Flight, in cases of Just Flight products like the C46, or our help desk at Aeroplane Heaven for AH products like the Helldiver for example.

[jeansy]

slowly getting there, just have tie the tail section into the main fus and then I can start with the general other bits of paints

here a compassion of the bare metals, new vs old

http://www.fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2017/08/23/post.png

http://www.fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2017/08/23/pre.png

[Cees Donker]

Let us make one thing perfectly clear here. We do not run the beta testing process, Just Fight does. If Just Flight are happy with the results of the process, they release the product. That is their decision not ours (AH). The way something flies is very often a personal opinion and not a "critical issue". On the C46, we have created the FDs to replicate the flight reports from real pilots with time on the type, and contemporary manuals, POHs etc.

Any comment regarding our productions can either be addressed directly to Just Flight, in cases of Just Flight products like the C46, or our help desk at Aeroplane Heaven for AH products like the Helldiver for example.

Barry,

IMHO you've done a great job so far. I'm pleased with the model.

Cees

[jeansy]

one thing for the patch, can we see spec mapping for each of the texture files, instead of the generic single spec file that covers the whole model

and look at the engine data as she stalls out on a +400ftfpm climb around the 8000 feet mark and maybe revise the COG as flying level she flys nose down and bum up

and look at the vc lighting or the lack off

[alpha charlie]

I think I can remember only one of their products that has worked out of the box so to speak and has yet to need a SP.

Tiger Moth?

[Mach3DS]

one thing for the patch, can we see spec mapping for each of the texture files, instead of the generic single spec file that covers the whole model and look at the engine data as she stalls out on a +400ftfpm climb around the 8000 feet mark and maybe revise the COG as flying level she flys nose down and bum up and look at the vc lighting or the lack off I asked for this before the models were complete. Without specs for each texture sheet, a truly "realistic" aluminum cannot be achieved. Matt, how's the reflection scale? how far to the black end of the greyscale are your alpha channels to get this level of reflection?

[jeansy]

I asked for this before the models were complete. Without specs for each texture sheet, a truly "realistic" aluminum cannot be achieved. Matt, how's the reflection scale? how far to the black end of the greyscale are your alpha channels to get this level of reflection?

Rick we wi;; discuss this in the hanger group page, I will post some pics for you

lets put it this way, you wont get what your after noting your other works

[bazzar]

Barry,

IMHO you've done a great job so far. I'm pleased with the model.

Cees

Thankyou Cees, I appreciate the comment, one can't please all of the people...:engel016:

[Paul K]

Barry,

IMHO you've done a great job so far. I'm pleased with the model.

Cees

I have yet to buy it, but yes, it certainly looks to be a fine model. I'm typing this, hopefully, to be of encouragement to A.H. - this really could be a winner. Take time to make it perfect, gentlemen.

[bazzar]

one thing for the patch, can we see spec mapping for each of the texture files, instead of the generic single spec file that covers the whole model

and look at the engine data as she stalls out on a +400ftfpm climb around the 8000 feet mark and maybe revise the COG as flying level she flys nose down and bum up

and look at the vc lighting or the lack off

If you were to read the contemporary reports, you would see that pilots reported the C46 barely making 450 - 500 fpm above 6,000ft. This was one of the great challenges of flying the "Hump". It required circling in huge, slow climbing circles before setting off for the mountains. The nose down attitude is due to position of payload. The lift coefficient for the wing is set for level attitude when using the gyro-pilot to hold altitude. POH recommends use of the GyroPilot at all times when off the ground. For manual flying do what they did, alter the ratio of fore and aft cargo weights. Engines are configured to book values allowing for slightly increase prop efficiency/thrust to provide a mean result across the different models.:engel016:

[Daveroo]

If you were to read the contemporary reports, you would see that pilots reported the C46 barely making 450 - 500 fpm above 6,000ft. This was one of the great challenges of flying the "Hump". It required circling in huge, slow climbing circles before setting off for the mountains. The nose down attitude is due to position of payload. The lift coefficient for the wing is set for level attitude when using the gyro-pilot to hold altitude. POH recommends use of the GyroPilot at all times when off the ground. For manual flying do what they did, alter the ratio of fore and aft cargo weights. Engines are configured to book values allowing for slightly increase prop efficiency/thrust to provide a mean result across the different models.:engel016:


good information bazzar.thanks

[hairyspin]

@worknow, while experimenting with a model's behaviour you should understand that many FS products don't just use the default systems to model fuel and flight behaviour. A number of developers add custom gauge or external program features to reproduce specific characteristics in ways the air file and aircraft.cfg alone cannot. A2A's Accusim would be a more extreme example. If you then try your own modifications the result may be you merely break the flight model.

I don't know how much or little of the C46 uses such custom behaviour, but if it does it won't be documented in the model's manual (I have no connection with AH/JF.) Tread cautiously.

[wombat666]

Yet another promising aircraft parked in the hangar till some critical issues get sorted out, in other words SP1 etc. This is not JF but AH (the creators) they seem more times than not to be let a product go before having tested it thoroughly or run it through to sort out the operational stuff, never an issue with the model or the textures (well how they do them is another issue). Still there is another way of looking at it; release it early, get some dollars back to pay for repairs and rectification and you have all the eager flight sim community to do your beta testing for you.
I think I can remember only one of their products that has worked out of the box so to speak and has yet to need a SP.
I was really looking forward to this one and I will just have to wait until it is fixed.
Lets hope they don't do an update and stuff all the early release liveries like they did with another product!

My first venture into Payware was the AH Spitfire series, always loved it.
I'm probably not 'picky' enough but I've never had any complaints re AH developed aircraft, they all worked out of the box.
All the 'eager flight sim community' are the reason why developers are brow beaten into 'early releases', the stream of 'when do we get it' once a new project is announced reaps its own rewards.
Patience is a virtue severely lacking among the 'eager flight sim community'
:banghead:

[jeansy]

done the first one, most of the others ones I want to do are already done in the package however I will to redo them

http://www.fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2017/08/25/2.png

http://www.fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2017/08/25/1.png

[dvj]

done the first one, most of the others ones I want to do are already done in the package however I will to redo them

http://www.fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2017/08/25/2.png

http://www.fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2017/08/25/1.png

Wow, that really changed the model. Well done!

[eddie]

Have to say I have had a good time with this C 46, has been fun!

[Bomber_12th]

Have to say I have had a good time with this C 46, has been fun!

Same here! I have been flying it and enjoying it just about every day since it was released.

[jeansy]

Wow, that really changed the model. Well done!

Thanks im going to redo most of the supplied paints plus a few others

[c87]

Jeansy, that bare metal looks beautiful. Nice work.

[Anthin]

I really like the Commando but,There
are two things that I would like fixed.I don't
know if anyone else is having this problem but
I have no cockpit lighting and even at quarter throttle
she takes off in the shortest space.Like the sibwings
An-2.

Regards.
Anthin.

[bazzar]

Lighting will be added in an SP but I am very loathe to touch the FDs. The C46 will take off in a very short distance. Prop thrust and engine torque provided power to operate on very short strips. The design was faster than many four engine aircraft on takeoff and early climb/cruise settings.:engel016:

[worknow]

@worknow, while experimenting with a model's behaviour you should understand that many FS products don't just use the default systems to model fuel and flight behaviour. A number of developers add custom gauge or external program features to reproduce specific characteristics in ways the air file and aircraft.cfg alone cannot. A2A's Accusim would be a more extreme example. If you then try your own modifications the result may be you merely break the flight model.

I don't know how much or little of the C46 uses such custom behaviour, but if it does it won't be documented in the model's manual (I have no connection with AH/JF.) Tread cautiously.

Tom, I am discussing that with one of the betas in PM.
It seems like LM did much more than rebranding the FSX-Engine naming in P3D. Just take a look in the SDK describtion on their HP.
I notice that more and more products are released for all versions of the Sim without taking these changes into account. The results on FSX might be different than on P3D since the Sim is "less complex".
Dino for example noted on his plane that they work under P3D with issues. So if I buy them for P3D, I have to accept this.
I repeat again: Not expecting study level in this price range. Not saying it is unflyable but it has bugs reported by more than one source! Some are minor, others not.
Martyn reacted in the most professional way ("noted, investigating") and I am pretty sure that they work on it since they love the plane (like I do).

For those that are still reading this post, here´s an example of how the MS Sim changed over time:
The smoke section in FS9 changed values to FSX so a lot of aircraft that appeared in FSX had strange smoketrails in external view.
The fix was easy but the publisher couldn´t just sell FS9 stuff on FSX anymore without a little extra work.

Cheers, Marc

[BendyFlyer]

Lest we get off topic too much, I understand all the foibles that arise from the changes in both the environment and platforms for flight simulation that have occurred and continue to occur. I also well understand the pressure on developers to get a product to market and the more complex these models are the harder it becomes to beta test for whole range of things that some simmer will try and do. My observation is a simple one, I have no major complaint about AH, I really like what they do and the effort that goes into what they produce but when I work through the list of things they have done and that I have only two that have not required a SP, some several. Some are quite arcane problems and some are a result of simmers not understanding the era and systems of the type of aircraft they have (expecting autopilots to operate as they do in glass cockpits when early autopilots were quite rudimentary affairs is but one example). I would rather wait for them to do this testing and make sure basic stuff like lighting, radios and fuel systems work properly, the little niggledy bugs can be fixed later every model will have them it is the nature of the game. I also understand they are a business and so they need to generate income and more importantly they do fix stuff up. With this one I can wait, it is too good a model to be relegated because of a few bugs but I cannot use it for my intended flight simulation as it is (The HUMP). That's all.

[hairyspin]

If users expect perfection from day one, they have no idea of what the work involves. I notice even PMDG, who take years on their projects, release service packs to tackle compatibility issues and bug fixes.


https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/490048-11jun16-pmdg-dc-6-cloudmaster-updated-other-goodies/

[jeansy]

the start of some overhauls

firstly the training command crest was incorrect and the top of the wings lacked the red and a overhaul on the base metal layer

original
http://aussiex.org/forum/uploads/monthly_2017_08/old.png.24d15c1f634d65e082cc0ddd31eec2aa.png

new
http://aussiex.org/forum/uploads/monthly_2017_08/new.png.20f3c756af35ee2ae739d32882f8322a.png

the base layer is a lil bit difficult to show the difference in screenshots

[stovall]

The C46 will take off in a very short distance. Prop thrust and engine torque provided power to operate on very short strips. The design was faster than many four engine aircraft on takeoff and early climb/cruise settings.:engel016:

Baz, I was lucky enough to see the C-46 take off as it was leaving Oshkosh 2016. First of all, standing next to it, I was surprised how big it is compared to the C-47. Next with that in mind I thought I would have trouble seeing the lift off from where I was standing thinking it would need a lot of runway. As the big bird lifted into the sky I realized just how little runway it used to get airborne. Also the climb out was incredibly fast. Great job of a much needed addition to our hobby.

[dvj]

the start of some overhauls

firstly the training command crest was incorrect and the top of the wings lacked the red and a overhaul on the base metal layer

original
http://aussiex.org/forum/uploads/monthly_2017_08/old.png.24d15c1f634d65e082cc0ddd31eec2aa.png

new
http://aussiex.org/forum/uploads/monthly_2017_08/new.png.20f3c756af35ee2ae739d32882f8322a.png

the base layer is a lil bit difficult to show the difference in screenshots

Brilliant.

[jeansy]

http://aussiex.org/forum/uploads/monthly_2017_08/pen.png.8604248af8558d021714431981697e86.png

[jeansy]

http://aussiex.org/forum/uploads/monthly_2017_08/seebee.png.87f22decddf911c3b976b53a20a9e3e0.png

[jeansy]

http://aussiex.org/forum/uploads/monthly_2017_08/MMB.png.8314b47ca2c98a8f414db0edea20c4af.png

[jeansy]

ignore the top scheme, i changed my mind

http://aussiex.org/forum/uploads/monthly_2017_08/hardy.png.6b99ee2d3c2e25ab613aeceb8635563c.png

[BendyFlyer]

Another one for Northern Territory Airlines or starting another one? LOL. Looks great though.

[jeansy]

http://www.fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2017/08/28/2017-8-28_1-10-3-696.png

http://www.fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2017/08/28/2017-8-28_1-16-34-751.png

http://www.fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2017/08/28/2017-8-28_1-27-50-874.png

http://www.fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2017/08/28/2017-8-28_1-32-10-46.png

[jeansy]

http://www.fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2017/08/28/2017-8-28_1-36-56-446.png

http://www.fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2017/08/28/2017-8-28_1-41-26-446.png

http://www.fsfiles.org/flightsimshotsv2/images/2017/08/28/2017-8-28_1-49-4-95.png

[jeansy]

theres at least another half a doz I want to do before stating the olive drab schemes, but im waiting on service pack to see if they fix this disappointing product, if its anything like the hs748, I wont even bother continuing, I will end up just deleting it to make room for something that works

[AussieMan]

I have kept quiet until now but I think it is time jeansy stopped this product bashing campaign aimed at AH and JF. Milviz produced an update in which they changed their mapping and made the early repaints useless but he said nothing.

If it is to continue then it is time to ask the mods to close this thread.

[jeansy]

I have kept quiet until now but I think it is time jeansy stopped this product bashing campaign aimed at AH and JF. Milviz produced an update in which they changed their mapping and made the early repaints useless but he said nothing as he is a painter/beta tester for Milviz.

If it is to continue then it is time to close this thread.

Whatever Pat at least get your facts right first then try again

[Roger]

Well much as I hated to, this thread has run it's course and will now be closed.