Le coq chante et combat - WIP

[gastonj]

"Le coq chante et combat" ("The cock sings and fights"), motto of the SPA48, a famous WWI French Air Force Squadron. At the beginning of the 30s, it was flying the Nieuport-Delage Ni-D62.
As a Blender learning project i do my best to create a fsx model of this plane. She was a development of the Ni-D52 build as Hispano-Nieuport in Spain (Barcelona), engine more powerfull and building process less expensive using wood parts. The Hispano-Nieuport was all metal.
Below some screens of the project (exterior model, raw diffuse textures only without specular, bump etc. to do).

https://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/865763nid62temoin60c.jpg


https://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/665721nid62temoin70.jpg

Using two spots to verify the UV-mapping give some strange look for the wings smoothing..

JMC

[huub vink]

Very nice! And respect that you are still willing to master a new program :encouragement:

I love your choice to build the Nieuport-Delage, as I love aircraft from this era. Although I must confess, a Dewoitine D.510 would have been very nice as well....... (wishfull thinking :bee:)

Cheers,
Huub

[Cees Donker]

Looking good Gaston!

:applause::applause::applause:

Cees

[SSI01]

The empennage on the Nieuport bears a striking resemblance to that on German Albatros fighters of WWI.

[huub vink]

With a biplane posibilities are reasonably limited and those day copyright was just a word....... :biggrin-new: But as the Nieuport-Delage was a metal aircraft is was actually quite different.

Weren't the Rhone, Oberbursel, Clerget, Bentley BR2 all the same engines which more or less only differed in names?

Cheers,
Huub

[gastonj]

Really, Nieuport-Delage said she was a "sesquiplan" because the strong difference in size of the 2 planes. The Nieuport was the backbone of what we could say "fighter command" at the very begining of the 30s. They were sooner replaced by Dewoitine 510 in 1934 and later by Morane 406, Bloch 152 and at the fall of 1939 by Dewoitine 520, the best french fighter of this time.
The spanish version Hispano-Nieuport is also in the todo list, few differences, mainly the coolers.

JMC

[MDIvey]

That's a beauty Gaston... love those 20s and 30s biplanes. How are you finding the program to use? I've been planning to learn it myself perhaps with an aircraft like the Bristol Bulldog.

Matt

[gastonj]

Thank's ! You can get it here : https://www.blender.org/

Many documentation is avalaible and a must : http://www.fsdeveloper.com/wiki/index.php?title=Blender2FSX_Toolset_manual.

Many developpers post here in this forum about this.

JMC

[MDIvey]

Thanks Gaston. Can you recommend any tutorials that are geared to aircraft modelling? I've used fsds, 3D Canvas, and 3DS MAX in the past but blender will be all new to me and I'm looking to minimize the learning curve.

Matt

[gastonj]

Hi,

Yes, i like this one : http://www.cdschools.org/cms/lib04/PA09000075/Centricity/Domain/81/BlenderBasics_4thEdition2011.pdf

Using Blender with the FSX2BLENDER kit is great , i can't go back to Gmax now. This is my first attempt to export in fsx format

https://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/285080nd62mcx1.jpg

JMC

[MDIvey]

Thanks Gaston... that PDF looks very helpful. Been learning some basic stuff today. Seems a bit counter intuitive at the moment but I can remember feeling that way about some of the other programs I've used... early on.

your model looks amazing cant wait to see it in SIM.

Matt

[wombat666]

Nice choice Gaston, very 'Art Deco French'.
I can think of several contemporary aircraft from that time which would make great companions.

And Huub........."Weren't the Rhone, Oberbursel, Clerget, Bentley BR2 all the same engines which more or less only differed in names?"
You are just yanking our collective chains here???
:biggrin-new:

[gastonj]

Oops! Yes, very "French art deco". I am working also on a carrier torpedo bomber of this time, biplane, same style, the Levasseur PL101.

I am working texturing this model, lacks bumping but i obtain this :

https://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/503794nd62mcx7.jpg

And in FSX, weather cloudy

https://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/654105ND622insitu2.jpg
JMC

[MDIvey]

That looks absolutely superb Gaston.

Matt

[gastonj]

And now she flies....but it's a long way to final release :onthego: !

https://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/368659ilvole2.jpg

https://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/891163ilvole4.jpg

I am working on specific 3D French gauges of this time.

JMC

[MDIvey]

If you need any beta testers at a later date let me know!

Matt

[huub vink]

Perhaps still a long way Gaston, but it looks already very nice :encouragement:

[gastonj]

If you need any beta testers at a later date let me know!

Matt

Hi,

Why not, but you have to be patient ... i think the job is 10% done :dispirited: !

JMC

[MDIvey]

Believe me I know how much work goes into these projects.... many stages there doesn't seem to be much to show for all the hard work.

Matt

[gastonj]

Hi,

The beta version is almost complete as shown by these screens below.

2 paints :

"Spa48" 1934 (Paris - Le Bourget)

https://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/927330image1.jpg

Navy squadron 3C1 1934 before the transfer to the Air Force (Armée de l'Air)

https://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/689001image2.jpg

And finally the actual state of the CV (not really accurate but close to those of the time)

https://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/214343image3.jpg

Cheers,
JMC

[blanston12]

Looks great! Looking forward to flying her!

[hairyspin]

That’s good progress, chapeau!

[gastonj]

Hi,

Just some videos showing the beta version flying :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sM5vNXgOZbE (BW)

and (same but col)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4agJ2eBlDDQ

jmc

[gastonj]

Hi,

The Hispano-Nieuport ND-52 is quite done :

https://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/606786hispano5204.jpg

In colors before the civil war and the same in Spanish Republican colors during the early time of war

https://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/659718hispano5208.jpg

JMC

[huub vink]

Great work Gaston, really nice to see another aircraft done which doesn't really below the the main stream! :encouragement:

Thanks,
Huub

[gastonj]

Great work Gaston, really nice to see another aircraft done which doesn't really below the the main stream! :encouragement:

Thanks,
Huub

Thank's !
I was sure that the only way to dispose of this plane was to do it myself ! A plane of the 30'S and a French one :untroubled: !

JMC

[hertzie]

Ab-so-lu-te-ly fantastic!

hertzie

[gastonj]

Hi,

Iwas wrong with the colors :

These are corrects, i hope !

https://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/942941hispano5211.jpg

https://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/760368hispano5215.jpg

Cheers,
JMC

[huub vink]

Gaston,

The colours of the Republican Spanish markings look good now. However aircraft with the late marking might have had red wing tips.
I thought this was common in the late scheme, but I must confess I'm not an expert in this topic.

Thanks again for doing this model and I still hope for a Dewoitine D-510...... :biggrin-new:

Huub

[gastonj]

Gaston,

The colours of the Republican Spanish markings look good now. However aircraft with the late marking might have had red wing tips.
I thought this was common in the late scheme, but I must confess I'm not an expert in this topic.

Thanks again for doing this model and I still hope for a Dewoitine D-510...... :biggrin-new:

Huub

Me too, i am not a specialist but i did these paints from "profiles" found in the net.
I have some projects after completion of this one. I was planning (better said wondering about) Spad 510, Hanriot HD2 (With the very first french attempt to a carrier at late WWI) and of course the Dewoitine D-510. But, a version FS9 was done and also CFS2, Xplane. I have some good documentation for her but a new version may be not appropriate.
And more, i am still working on the Levasseur PL101.
Sound and fly model are still in progress of completion for the Nieuport.

JMC

JMC

[huub vink]

Because I wanted to a repaint for Craig Richardson's old Dewoitine D.500, I needed to draw a new "singing and fighting rooster". Much to my surprise I saw the rooster has changed quite a bit over the years:

https://i.imgur.com/FziykYa.jpg
The rooster as it looked during the First World War.

https://i.imgur.com/8vbBDzQ.jpg
The rooster as it looked around 1935 (as seen on the Dewoitone D.500 from Lt.Col Galliot de Turenne in 1935.

https://i.imgur.com/Fs9UK7H.jpg
The rooster as it looked at the Dewoitine D.510 No.348 from GC I/1 2nd Escadrille in 1939.

https://i.imgur.com/M4GSNbZ.jpg
And the current looks of the singing and fighting rooster.

As you can see I did spend most of my day drawing roosters........(I don't think I can explain this to my wife!)

And all his just to bump the thread and ask Gaston whether there is any progress to report...................

Cheers,
Huub

[huub vink]

Oh euhhh Gaston, and when you are wondering what aircraft to model next...................

https://i.imgur.com/dTEbwp8.jpg

(Normally I don't make request, but there is always an exception to the general rule....)

Cheers,
Huub

[Pips]

What an absolute beauty. :applause: You have certainly done the Nieuport justice gastonj! :encouragement:

Interesting that Nieuport were still persisting with the sesquiplane layout.

[gastonj]

Oh euhhh Gaston, and when you are wondering what aircraft to model next...................

https://i.imgur.com/dTEbwp8.jpg

(Normally I don't make request, but there is always an exception to the general rule....)

Cheers,
Huub

Can i make better ? I doubt very much!

You are right! The rooster had a lot of variations since 1915. To day the "SPA 48" is the second squadron of "ETD 4/3 Argonne" flying the Mirage 2000D.
We are finalizing (JM RENAUX for the sound, JP BOURGEOIS for the fly model) the Ni-D62. She will be out sooner...i hope!

JMC

[huub vink]

Can i make better ? I doubt very much!

You are right! The rooster had a lot of variations since 1915. To day the "SPA 48" is the second squadron of "ETD 4/3 Argonne" flying the Mirage 2000D.
We are finalizing (JM RENAUX for the sound, JP BOURGEOIS for the fly model) the Ni-D62. She will be out sooner...i hope!

JMC

Don't be too modest about your models Gaston as there is absolutely no reason for it. And I'm convinced you can do the D.500 more justice. You have already tackled the complex nose of the ND-62, which is reasonably similar to the nose of the D.510. I think that's the part Craig was struggling with.
And I'm convinced your model would have French instruments. Where Craig's versions is definitely the US export version as all instruments are default US instruments :biggrin-new:.

When you want information about the D.500/D.510, I have already a start as when Craig did his beautiful He-51 for FSX, he also considered to do the D.500/D.510. But while I talked him into the He-51 (which I don't regret as it is a stunning model), I already started to collect information about the Dewoitine, "just in case".

But I'm just teasing a bit, but thanks when you would like to take my humble request in consideration...

Regards,
Huub

[gastonj]

Thank's! You convinced me, the D501/510 (some differences for the landing gear) is next on my to-do list and, of course, with French 3D instruments. I have some documentation for this.

JMC

[huub vink]

A big thank you! Most likely you already have some of these, but I have the book "Dewoitine D.500 - D.510 from the "Les Ailes de Gloire" serie. I also have the original plans and "eratta" which came with it.

In the "Aéro Journal"of December 2001 - January 2002 there is a 8 page long article about the export version of de D.501/D.520. But even (much) better, in the "Aéro Journal" of December 2004 January 2005 there is a 29 page (!) long article about the French used Dewoitines D.500/D.510s. The article contains lots of usable date and drawings.
I have both for you if you like.

I'm convinced I must have more, but this is what I could find immediately.

In the FS2004 screenhot thread I already tried to explain why I think this aircraft is really special. But flush riveted in the early 1930's already is only one of the neat features from this aircraft.

Thanks again!
Huub

[gastonj]

Hi,

The V1 is in state "release candidate", in test and will be published by this WE, i hope :biggrin-new: !

Added a blank texture with psd files provided.

https://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/487871nid62blank3.jpg

Cheers,
JMC

[magoo]

A beautiful rendering, Sir. I cannot imagine the hours you have put into this project so far. It must be a true labor of love.

[MDIvey]

You have done a beautiful job of this Gaston. Look forward to trying it out.

Matt

[huub vink]

Another beautiful model :encouragement: You are spoiling us!

Cheers,
Huub

[thunder100]

Tres Jolie

Very Beautiful

Just to move Thread up again

Roland

[gastonj]

The model will be out in 2 weeks...sorry for being late! But 2 more paints will be included.
JMC

[huub vink]

Don't worry J-M, all good things in life need their time....

And it gives us time to fly this one :encouragement: :biggrin-new:

https://i.imgur.com/OADgEQ8.jpg

Cheers,
Huub

[gastonj]

Don't worry J-M, all good things in life need their time....

And it gives us time to fly this one :encouragement: :biggrin-new:

https://i.imgur.com/OADgEQ8.jpg

Cheers,
Huub

Ah...The Morane-Saulnier 317 (still alive), wonderful model. I am also working on a MS-225, more easy to make than the D500 family, but not first priority, i am searching for cockpit pictures.
For the first time, with the D500, i got a cockpit adequate documentation and the knowledge of the real gauges.

JMC

[Hurricane91]

You have already tackled the complex nose of the ND-62,...
I agree. Cowlings are often subtle forms that are difficult to shape accurately. Gaston's modeling is superb.

[huub vink]

J-M,

The MS-225 is an nice looking and interesting aircraft as well. Although I can't help you with any pictures of the cockpit, I did find a discussion started by somebody with the same question you have.
Hopefully it can help you to find the information about the instruments you are looking for....

http://www.modelisme.com/forum/aero-maquettes/199530-morane-saulnier-m-s-225-a-2.html?langid=1

Have a nice weekend!
Huub

[gastonj]

Thank's! Yes, it is a pain looking for french aircraft cockpit pictures of this time. Fortunately, we have quite good informations for the D500 series.
Nice WE,
JMC

[blanston12]

The model will be out in 2 weeks...sorry for being late! But 2 more paints will be included.
JMC

How is your progress going, we are waiting for this one with great anticipation!

[beercat]

Coming soon !

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=56216&stc=1

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=56217&stc=1

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=56218&stc=1