The Ongoing Mystery Aircraft Thread Part Deux.

**pomme homme** · February 19th, 2020, 09:20

Singing cockles and ..... !

Short S.7 Mussel

**Sopwith Chameleon** · February 19th, 2020, 09:51

...... " alive alive o " right in every respect - put this in your wheelbarrow

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**pomme homme** · February 20th, 2020, 02:38

Thank you, Sopwith Chameleon. Here's something from a little earlier .....

**Sopwith Chameleon** · February 20th, 2020, 03:11

from la belle France I think ?

**pomme homme** · February 20th, 2020, 04:35

Indeed it is - and you've now identified one of only three things I know about this aeroplane!

**giruXX** · February 20th, 2020, 06:11

Vinet Type D with Anzani?

**pomme homme** · February 20th, 2020, 07:26

I think that you have it, Uli, albeit that we have a difference of pronunciation! My source has it as the Vinay Monoplan, but being French that may be an incorrect phonetic transcription of Vinet. As to it being the Type D with Anzani power, in this respect your knowledge is more extensive than mine (you'll have noted what, in my previous post, I said as to this). All considered, this one is now done and dusted and the next challenge rests with Germany.

p.s. do you, Uli, have a year for the Vinet/Vinay?

**giruXX** · February 20th, 2020, 08:53

Type D:
The Vinet Type D was completed before the end of June 1911; it was the first of a series of similar machines designed by P James, all with a low-set covered fuselage below a parasol wing with the engine mounted above the leading edge. It was tested in August 1911 at Chateaufort but was found unsatisfactory.
(French Aeroplanes Before the Great War)

**giruXX** · February 20th, 2020, 08:59

new mystery (couldn't find it in the thread)

**pomme homme** · February 20th, 2020, 09:17

Originally Posted by giruXX

Type D:
The Vinet Type D was completed before the end of June 1911; it was the first of a series of similar machines designed by P James, all with a low-set covered fuselage below a parasol wing with the engine mounted above the leading edge. It was tested in August 1911 at Chateaufort but was found unsatisfactory.
(French Aeroplanes Before the Great War)

Thank you, Uli.

**wout** · February 20th, 2020, 10:28

Hi giruXX

The sole (of 3 built) I.A.53 Mamboretá of DINFIA (Dirección Nacional de Fabricación y Investigación Aeronáutica) Argentina that took the air.

**giruXX** · February 20th, 2020, 10:42

that's the bird, wout

**wout** · February 20th, 2020, 22:30

A small flying wing with twin (retractable) engines.

**fabulousfour** · February 20th, 2020, 23:11

Methinks this is the Lauk Cygnus from Estonia.

**wout** · February 21st, 2020, 09:54

Hi fabulousfour

Absolutely nothing wrong with your way of thinking!

**fabulousfour** · February 21st, 2020, 14:00

On with a biplane.

**lefty** · February 21st, 2020, 22:49

The Indraéro 'Aéro' 101, perhaps ?

**fabulousfour** · February 22nd, 2020, 00:52

It is the Aero 101, Mike!

Over to Scotland

**lefty** · February 22nd, 2020, 02:01

Thank you, Robert. Something quite different -

**pomme homme** · February 22nd, 2020, 02:05

Not easy from that angle .... but could it be a SNCASO Espadon?

**lefty** · February 22nd, 2020, 10:08

Yes Mike - the tiny intakes are the clue - over to you. Good win for Les Bleus tonight !

**pomme homme** · February 23rd, 2020, 02:02

Thank you, Mike.

I hope that the Irish do well this afternoon and that, a fortnight hence, the Scots don't spoil what should otherwise be 'le grand showdown' in Paris on the evening of 14 March!

What makes the Espadon memorable for me is that its wings seem to have been an afterthought, added when its designer remembered that there wasn't otherwise anything into which the main wheels could retract!

Here's an attractive two seat parasol wing monoplane that doesn't appear to have been used here before. However I doubt that it will last long.

**fabulousfour** · February 23rd, 2020, 23:23

No idea, but the parasol looks French or maybe Italian

Are those planes in the background Ju 88?

**pomme homme** · February 24th, 2020, 00:48

Interestingly, Robert, I had intended to ask broadly the same question - namely what are the aircraft in the background of the photograph - although I hadn't arrived at the possiblity of them being Ju 88s. But that must be a likely as a number of the type were constructed in the same country and more were recuperated in the same region as that in which the aeroplane in the foreground of the photograph first flew and the type went on to serve in that country's air force and navy after the war in Europe ended. But returning to the aeroplane in the foreground, it was powered by a Potez 3B radial - which should identify its country of origin (if that wasn't already obvious) - and first flew just three months after the war in Europe ended.