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  1. #26

    Adding rivets to the F3F

    This video covers many tips and tricks and a must watch for any level user, even if you don't plan on doing your own rivets and lines. These steps will later help make better weathering and wear and tear, as well as much better and more crisp bump mapping. This step is one of many steps that will take time and challenge ones patience. It separates the true painter from the rest. A true painter can also be thought of as a hobbyist and one that takes pride in their work. One that knows that "Quality is greater than Quantity". - Dan Prunier


    Hey Tufun,

    I think I may of discovered a video on how rivets are added. Although he used different methods of creating rivets, I wonder if you used the later option in this video of using a paintbrush technique to your F3F?

    Last edited by gray eagle; May 24th, 2015 at 13:21.

  2. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by gray eagle View Post
    That link looks to be where artisians display their handy work and not so much share anything they did via download.

    I guess doing good repaints is really knowing where to find good resources.
    This site is where some of the CG artist create beautiful aircraft models to include in their aviation art. Witold is building a very accurate SDB Dauntless and showing the process.

    Few other examples:

    F3F-1 Cowl
    http://www.military-meshes.com/forum...9&d=1424821700

    F3F-1
    http://www.military-meshes.com/forum...1&d=1426962461

    SDS130 has done this Stearman
    http://www.military-meshes.com/forum...1&d=1428750713

    http://www.military-meshes.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=2065&d=1429459389


    Edit: Disregard, didn't know one has to be registered... sorry.
    Last edited by TuFun; May 24th, 2015 at 17:32. Reason: Edit message



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  3. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by TuFun View Post
    This site is where some of the CG artist create beautiful aircraft models to include in their aviation art. Witold is building a very accurate SDB Dauntless and showing the process.

    Few other examples:

    F3F-1 Cowl
    http://www.military-meshes.com/forum...9&d=1424821700

    F3F-1
    http://www.military-meshes.com/forum...1&d=1426962461

    SDS130 has done this Stearman
    http://www.military-meshes.com/forum...1&d=1428750713

    http://www.military-meshes.com/forum...5&d=1429459389



    I had to register to view the links, although I regged, I will have to wait till I can view those links.

    I can log in now but not able to click on links to images - Don't have permission - yet.

  4. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by gray eagle View Post
    I had to register to view the links, although I regged, I will have to wait till I can view those links.

    I can log in now but not able to click on links to images - Don't have permission - yet.



    EDIT: I can log in however, when I click on your links I get this page:



    I sent their honchos an email about it. Awaiting response. I can log in but maybe still needs activation......

    Sorry if this is OT.

  5. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by gray eagle View Post
    . . . . . . . .Hey Tufun,
    I think I may of discovered a video on how rivets are added. Although he used different methods of creating rivets, I wonder if you used the later option in this video of using a paintbrush technique to your F3F?
    For Paint Shop Pro users, there is a much quicker way of producing rivets using the "Picture Tube Tool". With that one tool I can produce a full line of rivets (vertical or horizontal), evenly spaced based on my settings, for any length with two mouse clicks. Areas where rivets are curved around a panel or object (like access panels) it must be done by hand, but then you're only talking about a small number and not hundreds. Once set, add a rounded bevel, tweak the lighting and voila'.

  6. #31
    What version of PSP do you have? I have 7 and it does not seem to have that feature.

  7. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by TeiscoDelRay View Post
    What version of PSP do you have? I have 7 and it does not seem to have that feature.
    Mine is 8.10. . .the only version I've ever had so If you don't have it, it apparently came along with version 8. Too bad as it's a huge time saver when doing rivets.

    Addendum: Actually after installing version 7, you do have it, the icon just below the eraser (paint brush with what looks like an ink bottle). Make sure you have "tool Options" active so you can make adjustments

  8. #33
    This is the effect I get using that technique.

  9. #34
    Here's a few test examples I did for a Cessna model, creating rivets, fasteners, and screws.






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  10. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by TuFun View Post
    This site is where some of the CG artist create beautiful aircraft models to include in their aviation art. Witold is building a very accurate SDB Dauntless and showing the process.

    Few other examples:

    F3F-1 Cowl
    http://www.military-meshes.com/forum...9&d=1424821700

    F3F-1
    http://www.military-meshes.com/forum...1&d=1426962461

    SDS130 has done this Stearman
    http://www.military-meshes.com/forum...1&d=1428750713

    http://www.military-meshes.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=2065&d=1429459389


    Edit: Disregard, didn't know one has to be registered... sorry.



    I am now a full member over there and when I click on your links, I now see the artwork and it does look really nice.

    It is an interesting place to see others display their WIP artwork and renditions of flightsim aircraft and a sundry of other related items.


    BTW, On the F3F cowl over there, did they really have those blisters/bumps on them?

  11. #36
    The blistered cowls were characteristic of the F3F-1.

  12. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by bazzar View Post
    The blistered cowls were characteristic of the F3F-1.
    Ahh....thanks for that nugget of info.

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    For whatever it might be worth...

    Fantastic technical work TF!
    One thing worth noting though... in my humblest opinion... is the fact that in real life nothing is duplicated exactly and identically...
    To add a little bit of that magic of creating an illusion of surface texture, depth, play of light and shadows, etc. I think that
    one needs to randomize effects so as to emulate "real life" as much as the artist can...

    Inspired by your wonderful work... I just cooked up a quick and dirty pic. of what I mean...


    To wit:



    I hope you see this in the light of adding yet another technique to your immaculately clean technical skills and help you create even more awesome things... and not
    just another "rivet counting" type of criticism...


    Sincerely,
    G.

  14. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by gray eagle View Post
    Ahh....thanks for that nugget of info.
    Also the G22 (F3F-2 Hybrid) have the cowl blisters, view 98. Nice scale drawing here for the F3F-2

    http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/thumb...one&starter=no



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  15. #40

    F3f-1

    <dl><dt>F3F-1 Initial production version for the US Navy, 54 built.</dt></dl>
    <dl><dt>F3F-2 Second production model for the US Navy, powered by a single 950 hp (710 kW) Wright Cyclone R-1820-22 Cyclone, 81 built.

    Other then the blistered cowl, they look almost the same IMHO.
    </dt></dl>



  16. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by gaucho_59 View Post
    Fantastic technical work TF!
    One thing worth noting though... in my humblest opinion... is the fact that in real life nothing is duplicated exactly and identically...
    To add a little bit of that magic of creating an illusion of surface texture, depth, play of light and shadows, etc. I think that
    one needs to randomize effects so as to emulate "real life" as much as the artist can...

    Inspired by your wonderful work... I just cooked up a quick and dirty pic. of what I mean...


    To wit:



    I hope you see this in the light of adding yet another technique to your immaculately clean technical skills and help you create even more awesome things... and not
    just another "rivet counting" type of criticism...


    Sincerely,
    G.
    Cool stuff gaucho!!! New to PS, so focus is on how to use features on the program.

    Did mess with it on some time ago on this one.



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  17. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by gray eagle View Post
    <dl><dt>F3F-1 Initial production version for the US Navy, 54 built.</dt></dl>
    <dl><dt>F3F-2 Second production model for the US Navy, powered by a single 950 hp (710 kW) Wright Cyclone R-1820-22 Cyclone, 81 built.

    Other then the blistered cowl, they look almost the same IMHO.
    </dt></dl>

    Comparison of the F3F-1/2/3 models.



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  18. #43

    Interesting comparisions

    Quote Originally Posted by TuFun View Post
    Comparison of the F3F-1/2/3 models.


    Good to know thanks.

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