Just Flight Fokker F27 work in progress.

***Ferry_vO*** · September 16th, 2014, 07:55

From their facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/justflight/...type=1&theater

We are working on a Fokker F27 at present and would like to hear from anybody with experience of the real aircraft and who also uses FSX. If that's you can you drop me an email at: alex(at)justflight.com Thanks!

***ColoKent*** · September 16th, 2014, 08:38

Anyone have any idea what the average time is between announcement and release for JustFlight?

And I hope they include a model with external tanks!!!

Can't wait for this one!!!!

Kent

**Stickshaker** · September 16th, 2014, 10:45

There used to be an F-27 Friendship Association...

**Ian Warren** · September 16th, 2014, 12:33

This is a very long awaited for aircraft, looking forward to it

**Bjoern** · September 16th, 2014, 16:36

*Groans audibly*

**olderndirt** · September 16th, 2014, 16:54

Originally Posted by Bjoern

*Groans audibly*

You lit their fire

.

**pilto von pilto** · September 16th, 2014, 17:09

Originally Posted by olderndirt

You lit their fire

.

Really? Think about the time-line for a moment. Just a happy coincidence.

**AussieMan** · September 16th, 2014, 18:31

I doubt Bjoern has anything to worry about. Bjoern has created a high quality freeware version that many of us will still want to fly. If you look at the model on the JF Facebook page you will see that it is a -200 model while Bjoern has produced both a F-227 and -500 models. This will mean that the complete spectrum of the F-27 will be covered.

***manfredc3*** · September 16th, 2014, 21:20

THat would be just awesome. As a dutchman I can not wait to see JustFlight release their version.

***fsafranek*** · September 17th, 2014, 15:44

I'm looking forward to it. Back in the B-1B production days I used to ride the Rockwell company F27 up and back
from LAX up to Palmdale (AF Plant 42). Great sounding engines and window seats since it was always half empty.

**Bjoern** · September 18th, 2014, 07:43

Originally Posted by olderndirt

You lit their fire

.

Can't I light their hard drive instead?

(Just kidding.)

Originally Posted by pilto von pilto

Really? Think about the time-line for a moment. Just a happy coincidence.

To be fair, from the look of it, it seems that their model has been in the shed waaaaay before I've started the conversion.

Originally Posted by AussieMan

I doubt Bjoern has anything to worry about. Bjoern has created a high quality freeware version that many of us will still want to fly. If you look at the model on the JF Facebook page you will see that it is a -200 model while Bjoern has produced both a F-227 and -500 models. This will mean that the complete spectrum of the F-27 will be covered.

Don't underestimate JF. They made good on the promise of the additional DC-8 models, so it's very likely that they'll make good on the stretches.

I see one huge advantage though:
When someone complains about the freeware models, I can just tell them to shut up and buy the JF model. If that person also complains about the JF model and cries that there's no good F-27 out there, I can call the JF guys and we can just go beat that ungrateful buggar up together, lol.

Conclusion: GO, JUSTFLIGHT, GO!

**RAS_JF** · September 20th, 2014, 11:02

Hi Bjoern,

Thanks for being so gracious about it. We are always as mortified as everyone else when we find out a development is clashing with something that somebody else has put a bucket of time and effort into.
Unfortunately (well, actually fortunately from the point of view of a user rather than maker) it's getting harder and harder to find subject matter that hasn't already been covered once, twice, three or four times already. And when we do, often somebody else pops up with one in production as well before it sees the light of day.
I reckon that everyone producing content for FS should come together and form a cartel. We chuck all the planes that people would like to see made into a hat and we each pull one out. Nobody competes against each other for sales and users get a wider range of aircraft. Everyone's a winner!

There is of course plenty of room for freeware and payware versions of the same subject matter to exist happily together - just look at Rick Piper's Chipmunk and ours as an example. Both are enjoyed by loads of people for their own particular merits.

Best of luck with the rest of the development. I hope this hasn't curtailed your enthusiasm for it at all and hopefully everyone is looking forward to seeing both packages soon.

P.S.

I can call the JF guys and we can just go beat that ungrateful buggar up together, lol.

Deal!

***Ferry_vO*** · September 20th, 2014, 11:14

Originally Posted by RAS_JF

I reckon that everyone producing content for FS should come together and form a cartel. We chuck all the planes that people would like to see made into a hat and we each pull one out. Nobody competes against each other for sales and users get a wider range of aircraft. Everyone's a winner!

Choose an aircraft because you want to make it, not because you have to. The end result will be much better.

**Dutcheeseblend** · September 20th, 2014, 11:33

Something that has to do with this: when I was a youngster (eh, younger that I'm now) I read the reviews of the great addons that really did rise the bar for FSX that time. After that, I searched a freeware version of that particular plane, believing it would be the same quality. Hehe...

Hmm, now I know it's not dependent on the aircraft type, but on the guy who's developing the thing.

JF: there are still a few WWII Fokker planes that need to be done! To do them myself would take, err, "some" time...
Kidding guys.

I remember one guy (willem) at FSDeveloper was developing a F27 also, two years ago or so. He did great detail, but we haven't heard anymore of him...

**RAS_JF** · September 20th, 2014, 11:52

JF: there are still a few WWII Fokker planes that need to be done! To do them myself would take, err, "some" time...
Kidding guys.

I'd would have loved to do some more Fokkers, but the amount of "Fokking" puns that have been flying around over email lately has been unbearable.
I think next up will have to be a T-28 "Trojan". Nobody could be silly with that.

**AussieMan** · September 20th, 2014, 15:52

Anthony Lynch has already done a superb T-28 with several variants and has also released updates.

**henrystreet** · September 20th, 2014, 15:58

Originally Posted by AussieMan

Anthony Lynch has already done a superb T-28 with several variants and has also released updates.

Ant even has a Trojan hooker.

***ColoKent*** · September 20th, 2014, 18:18

Re: Ant's T-28...I agree that it would be extremely difficult for any developer to improve enough on Anthony's rendition to be economically viable. Might want to revisit that plan...

Kent

***Ferry_vO*** · September 21st, 2014, 00:46

Originally Posted by RAS_JF

I think next up will have to be a T-28 "Trojan". Nobody could be silly with that.

Ribbed or flavoured..?

**stansdds** · September 21st, 2014, 04:52

Originally Posted by Ferry_vO

Choose an aircraft because you want to make it, not because you have to. The end result will be much better.

This is true, it is about the passion, not necessity.

***wombat666*** · September 21st, 2014, 06:58

Originally Posted by Ferry_vO

Ribbed or flavoured..?

And what colour????

**Bjoern** · September 21st, 2014, 08:09

Originally Posted by RAS_JF

I reckon that everyone producing content for FS should come together and form a cartel. We chuck all the planes that people would like to see made into a hat and we each pull one out. Nobody competes against each other for sales and users get a wider range of aircraft. Everyone's a winner!

Reading the discussions on some of your products in other flightsim forums, that would be a bad idea on one hand, but a great opportunity for some real Schadenfreude on the other*.
Imagine the amount of people whining for a PMDG 727, but JF (plus subcontractor) getting the golden ticket...the uproar would be nothing short of legendary.

There is of course plenty of room for freeware and payware versions of the same subject matter to exist happily together - just look at Rick Piper's Chipmunk and ours as an example. Both are enjoyed by loads of people for their own particular merits.

Nah, you'll win this one hands down. You've got a scratch-built exterior model, a VC that wasn't constrained by FS9 design standards during construction, competitive pricing, user reward program, an initial batch of paints and you usually tend after your releases with service packs or follow-on revisions (see the WIP L-1011 v2). Provided you'll get your Fokker experts for FDE input, the F-27 will even fly right.
I can't compete with that in any way.

The only area I can up you would be details. There is a review about the various payware 737-200 renditions available and the reviewer noted that none of the models featured realistic visual reverser operations (the reversers always fully deploy regardless of the amount of reverse throttle applied). So guess what the ones on my model do...

Deal!

I knew it, lol.

Originally Posted by henrystreet

Ant even has a Trojan hooker.

HAH!

Originally Posted by RAS_JF

I think next up will have to be a T-28 "Trojan". Nobody could be silly with that.

Don't waste your development time. There's already a really good rendition of one at a fairly low price.

You might want to stick to stuff that doesn't have a FSX native model yet. I bet that you can fork in quite a bit of cash with native models of a 1-11, VC-10 or Trident.

Originally Posted by Dutcheeseblend

I remember one guy (willem) at FSDeveloper was developing a F27 also, two years ago or so. He did great detail, but we haven't heard anymore of him...

Well, he wouldn't have to do a VC now...