Attention all DC-3 fans !

**Javis** · February 6th, 2016, 09:30

Originally Posted by KellyB

Thanks for the replies re: the yoke. TrackIR just isn't in the toy budget, although it's not permanently out of the question.

I tried TrackIR at a friend's place a couple times, couldn't get used to it. I would certainly put my money on Oculus Rift once it undoubtedly proves it can work well with FSX or P3D.

Jan: Saw a TD for sale at an auction with a "suggested bid" of $35,000. If only...

Yes, that's about the price for a good restored TD here too (in euros). Many years ago i used to be the proud owner of a TD. The crankshaft gave up, no money for a new one. No matter all the Ferrari's, Lambo's, Bugatti's, Porsche's, Bentley's, if i was to be giving the choice between one of these or an MG TD i'd still choose a TD (no, I'd take the Veyron, sell it and buy a Bentley Continental GT and 10 TD's, couple TC's, MGA's and a few MK's Austin Healy 3000. Probabely a Tiger Moth on the side..

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https://youtu.be/tbU3zdAgiX8

cheers,
jan

**Varhomol** · February 10th, 2016, 21:23

I look forward to the completion of your work over the cockpit of DC-3. Are you planning to release a separate package or include a new cockpit in an existing model DC-3? Thanks.

**J.M.CASTILLA** · February 11th, 2016, 06:51

Originally Posted by Varhomol

I look forward to the completion of your work over the cockpit of DC-3. Are you planning to release a separate package or include a new cockpit in an existing model DC-3? Thanks.

I think he used the outside model Manfred Jahn and tested with the new cabin built
They are also working on the mapping of external textures
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to me what I would like is that the vc was modeled 2D and Milton Shupe
allowing indcadores put me where appropriate depending on the year of the plane
to ancient or modern radios and gauges
gps
if
or not
thanks

**TuFun** · February 12th, 2016, 10:18

Since my TW sound set is more generic in nature, and watching a bunch of DC3/C-47 YT cockpit videos, I've added some prop slap sounds. Some C-47's have very loud props and others not much at all. Interesting to note that not one sounded alike. Even the takeoff videos have differences in sound.

These are internal cockpit sounds in this video. Looking into improving the external sounds also.

Work in progress (wip)...

**tankerguy72** · February 12th, 2016, 10:32

Wow that has to be the most realistic radial sound I have heard in the sim. Closed my eyes and felt like I was in the real thing. Great job!

**BertAtHome** · February 12th, 2016, 10:45

True Art I would say! In which sim was the video made?

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**TuFun** · February 12th, 2016, 11:07

Originally Posted by tankerguy72

Wow that has to be the most realistic radial sound I have heard in the sim. Closed my eyes and felt like I was in the real thing. Great job!

Although the FSX sound system is limiting, I listen to how those real radials sound and mimic it in the sim... magic begins!

Originally Posted by BertAtHome

True Art I would say! In which sim was the video made?

Video produce in FSX.

**txnetcop** · February 12th, 2016, 17:42

SPEECHLESS AMAZEMENT!!!
Ted

**stansdds** · February 13th, 2016, 04:28

Originally Posted by TuFun

Since my TW sound set is more generic in nature, and watching a bunch of DC3/C-47 YT cockpit videos, I've added some prop slap sounds. Some C-47's have very loud props and others not much at all. Interesting to note that not one sounded alike. Even the takeoff videos have differences in sound.

These are internal cockpit sounds in this video. Looking into improving the external sounds also.

Work in progress (wip)...

Yes! I think that sounds quite authentic. I've not flown in a DC-3/C-47, but I have flown in a B-17 and on that ride, in the cockpit the sound of the props was the predominant sound. Excellent job!

**tailspin45** · February 14th, 2016, 16:29

The interior engine sounds are fantastic. Grew up in Guatemala and lived near the airport where the DC-3 was THE mode of transport over the mountains, and I spent a lot of flying time behind round engines IRL. These are superb.

Has anyone found a discussion of how or why the DC-3 produces that unique sound that instantly identifies the bird and distinguishes it from all other radial twins--even those with same engines and props? I'm guessing some kind of interaction between props and fuselage, etc.

There's a hint of it in the "prop slap" vid, which; by the way, is a great addition; it's an undertone or harmonic. It's hard to hear in recordings because the mics just can't pic up everything. (I flew several SNJ/AT6 flights so they could record sounds for the movie The Mummy. A mic was anchored near the exhaust, which I though would be awful. But when they played a clip for me in the hangar I though someone had taxied up on the ramp!)

It's more or less audible in these clips too
http://www.sounddogs.com/previews/36...NDDOGS__ai.mp3
http://www.douglasdc3.com/dc3wav/8.wav
http://www.douglasdc3.com/dc3wav/2.wav

To be clear, I don’t bring this up as a criticism of this wonderful achievement. Just curious if we can somehow trick our computers into fooling our ears so we can enjoy that unique Gooney Bird sound too.

**tailspin45** · February 15th, 2016, 07:16

Here's a clip that captures that sound I'm going on about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hes2ZQjMqYU

Most videos include a high-pitched sound that is not authentic. I'm guessing, but it seems to be the result of the mic, or audio circuits, being overdriven.

**jandmbear** · February 15th, 2016, 09:48

TuFun, amazing sounds as always! I look forward to pairing these with this great vvc!

**TuFun** · February 15th, 2016, 10:41

Trying to work with YT videos are not the ideal sounds to choice from, but that's what I have to work with. Would love to have recording equipment and record actual aircraft sounds. Also, depends how good your hearing is and the speakers on your computer.

This video is of a C-47 with a Wright R1820 radials. Listen to those props sing!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJG7x0KE5pM

And these from a P&W R1830...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhlGGqeaGwo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX2uvvl0dkA

**tailspin45** · February 15th, 2016, 15:23

Completely agree that YT is a poor source; the first clip you references sounds nothing like a C-47.

The second clip caught "that sound" briefly, and the third one is pretty good at capturing the unique drone the Douglas produces.

It's odd that we simply don't have words to describe sounds, but the Gooney Bird's is so unique you don't even have to look to know it's a DC-3/C-47.

To reiterate, what you've created is simply awesome--the best radial sounds I've heard. Your crowning achievement would be to make it uniquely DC-3.

**tailspin45** · February 16th, 2016, 06:26

I thought all you Gooney Bird fans would enjoy this video that shows what happens when you move the CG too far aft.

Nothing to do with sounds, if you don't count the screaming the pilot will do when he meets the jump master on the ground.

From someone involved in the operation: "Gear down, flaps one, 20" MAP, and 90 kts , with almost full down trim on jump run was our standard ops.Our plane, I flew the load prior to this. Unfortunately the jumpers did not 'go', so cg was too aft for too long. 13,500 start, 6,500 pull out. 1 1/2 turns. It was a long time ago...."

**gman5250** · February 16th, 2016, 07:29

I thought I would share an interior pan in Prepar3D. This is version 2.5 which seems to render color better than 3.1 and shows the wonderful luster of the specular maps applied to the interior parts.

***Daube*** · February 16th, 2016, 07:59

Superb, as usual

**cavaricooper** · February 16th, 2016, 09:23

Gordon-

I have stayed with v2.5 for now and seeing this video affirms I have not made a bad choice

. Jan's work is AMAZING, and your skin redo will be EPIC. She's a grand old gal and I can't wait to fly into Cox's Bazar

Best- Carl

**Ian Warren** · February 16th, 2016, 12:01

Nice one Gordon

again for some reason my mind still keeps coming back to "Band of Brothers" after sitting in the cockpit , just showing and puts you into that seat at night, when doing the first photo session it was dark in the hanger and it really gave it depth , this little video really starts to really show it .

**gman5250** · February 16th, 2016, 13:42

This video may be a tiny bit choppy in a few places due to the massive load on my system running Prepar3D 3.1 with DR in an extremely demanding scenery. I'm not really video savvy, so I haven't mastered the techniques that translate a relatively fluid sim to a relatively fluid YouTube video. lol

Jan Visser's immaculate VC in a 2048 32bit skin set running max sliders across the board, REX TD with Soft Clouds, AS Next live weather @ 20 cloud layers, ultra high density autogen 2x default saturation and photoreal HD ground poly that covers roughly 400 square miles...

That's a load, and the VC, with it's multiple/layered texture sheets with spec and bumps performs like a Swiss watch. The video documents state-of-the-art simulator technology combined with cutting edge scenery design techniques, many of which are experimental and in development. I'm designing with 64 bit as the target for current and future sceneries. They work pretty darned good now in 32 bit and will be spectacular when we finally get a platform that will take full advantage of our hardware.

This piece is for everyone's entertainment while the author finishes his work.

Enjoy...

**Ian Warren** · February 16th, 2016, 14:45

Absolutely Brilliant Gordo ..

it almost exactly how I felt back in 1986 , Christchurch to Wellington freight tho , just simply a gorgeous video!

**gman5250** · February 16th, 2016, 15:21

Originally Posted by Ian Warren

Absolutely Brilliant Gordo ..

it almost exactly how I felt back in 1986 , Christchurch to Wellington freight tho , just simply a gorgeous video!

That run to Wellington took you right up the Kaikoura range, which is so much like the Eastern Sierra it's amazing. The Owens Valley and Awatere are almost twin sisters, with Awatere being a bit narrower. I remember being fascinated by the similarity.

Gordo...man, nobody's called me that in ages...

**tailspin45** · February 16th, 2016, 15:55

Awesome! My hands a re sweaty!

**Ian Warren** · February 16th, 2016, 16:46

Originally Posted by ********

That run to Wellington took you right up the Kaikoura range, which is so much like the Eastern Sierra it's amazing. The Owens Valley and Awatere are almost twin sisters, with Awatere being a bit narrower. I remember being fascinated by the similarity.

Gordo...man, nobody's called me that in ages...

I think it go's with the territory , I got a very sore head that day ... we had a Southerly front come thru and it was as choppy as heck , my best flight in the jump seat was out off Wanaka and back to Christchurch , its dang impressive again , from the cockpit heading out over the ranges and having a couple of B1900 speed past , coming into Wigram ... well even miles back just after Ashburton the was a dot in the sky just above Banks Peninsular .. it was a hot air balloon.

Being a Gordo

... a man with a real history and real wings.

**Flyboy208** · February 16th, 2016, 16:53

Originally Posted by ********

This video may be a tiny bit choppy in a few places due to the massive load on my system running Prepar3D 3.1 with DR in an extremely demanding scenery. I'm not really video savvy either. lol

Jan Visser's immaculate VC in a 2048 32bit skin set running max sliders across the board, REX TD with Soft Clouds, AS Next live weather @ 20 cloud layers, ultra high density autogen 2x default saturation and photoreal HD ground poly that covers roughly 400 square miles...

That's a load, and the VC performs like a swiss watch. The video illustrates state-of-the-art simulator technology combined with cutting edge scenery design techniques, many of which are experimental and in development. When we go to 64 bit, we're going to experience the real deal.

Enjoy...

Absolutely mind blowing Gordon! Well done Sir ! Mike