Flight Replicas Messerschmitt Bf-109K-4 Released (Payware)

**Hanimichal** · July 23rd, 2012, 05:37

Originally Posted by baernhard

Tomorrow at FLIGHTSIM ...

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Impressive! as the high contrast is awesome! maybe i should paint at this way!?

**MartinM** · July 24th, 2012, 03:34

FYI

Swiss Air Force Paint Schema can be acquired here
http://www.lw.admin.ch/internet/luft...arbgebung.html

Cheers
Martin

**Barvan40** · July 24th, 2012, 05:26

Originally Posted by Hanimichal

Impressive! as the high contrast is awesome! maybe i should paint at this way!?

Your repaints are great the way they are! The high contrast paints are interesting but they just do not look very realistic. They make the aircraft look too much like a scale model instead of the actual thing.</SPAN>
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It reminds me of some of the work you see at a scale modeling contest. Impressive at first glance, but when you take a closer look and compare it to photographs of the actual object you realize that it does not resemble anything found in the real world.</SPAN>

**baernhard** · July 24th, 2012, 10:31

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Aircraft that are fresh from a paint shop and are polished like a mirror, are not my thing.

In my opinion:
Planes are exposed for years to wind and weather - dust and dirt.
The aircraft are camouflaged and hidden in the ground -
should look like this.
In certain times, the soldiers and airmen determined had other problems than the look of their aircraft.

I see no possibility (with my Photoshop skills) to represent this on other way.
In principle: scale models - you're right.

Even if you ignored all this:
clean, smooth planes, without the slightest blemish -
I find boring - they look all the same - sorry.

Of course, I can be wrong. So - my paints are only a offer.

Greetings
Bernhard

**Ian Warren** · July 24th, 2012, 15:13

Thanks Bernhard , I'm Hungary for a Messerschmitt , installing now , Superb work

**Hanimichal** · July 24th, 2012, 15:41

More 3 uploaded

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***Daube*** · July 25th, 2012, 01:36

Wow ! All these latest paints look simply fantastic

***greenie*** · July 25th, 2012, 01:56

Thanks Hanimichal, flying your first paint , looks very good . Now to DL the other paints

**ErnstF** · July 26th, 2012, 10:09

Thank You Hanimichal, your paintings are works of art

**Hanimichal** · July 26th, 2012, 13:19

Thank you all guys

**baernhard** · July 26th, 2012, 22:34

Thank you, Ian :ernae:.

**Ian Warren** · July 27th, 2012, 14:31

Or a Mustang B-) , it amazing reading the development history of the K model , and it performance was as good and in many respects better than .....

both allied fighter is was designed to encounter ... the Spitfire Mk14 and the P-51 .. it could out climb both , very similar to the G10 model that was in NZ in 1996

A posting i did at www.nzff.org with this 109 over Wobblyville ( ex-Christchurch ) Have a couple great books on the 'K' development by Prien and Rodeike , full of Messerschitts F, Gs and Ks .

**ottor** · July 28th, 2012, 23:22

I'm having trouble getting the RPM down to 1800 in the cruise with MP of 1atm, flying at about 6000m. Am I missing a trick? I admit I'm confused by the RPM vs prop pitch adjustment in this aircraft. I haven't got a clue what the prop pitch gauge is trying to tell me, it seems to have a mind of its own!

thanks,
ottor

**mike_cyul** · July 29th, 2012, 07:04

Originally Posted by ottor

I'm having trouble getting the RPM down to 1800 in the cruise with MP of 1atm, flying at about 6000m. Am I missing a trick? I admit I'm confused by the RPM vs prop pitch adjustment in this aircraft. I haven't got a clue what the prop pitch gauge is trying to tell me, it seems to have a mind of its own!
thanks,
ottor

I've sent an email to Bernt directing him to this thread, regarding the rpm/atm/alt. Don't quite know where he is in the world presently or his schedule, but I'm sure he'll answer when he can. Regarding the prop pitch, this gauge is somewhat of a mystery in real life, as obtaining info is particularly difficult. Warwick (Wozza) did a lot of work to try and get it to do what he estimated it's descriptive function was. It does represent blade angles at relative rpm, but specifically how to interpret that would appear to leave room for interpretation.

Mike

***Mathias*** · July 29th, 2012, 07:29

Think of it as a clock. 10 minutes on the German prop gauge equal 1° of prop pitch while flat pitch (most likely 15°) would be calibrated to 11:30 or 12:00 depending on aircraft.

**Steven190** · July 29th, 2012, 09:05

Here is my WIP, I only get a few hours per week to work on it.

This is Martin Deskau "Yellow 1" of II/JG3

Everything so far is at 100% values

**bstolle** · July 29th, 2012, 11:10

Originally Posted by ottor

I'm having trouble getting the RPM down to 1800 in the cruise with MP of 1atm, flying at about 6000m.

The 109 FDE is a rather old one and I don't have my development and performance data anymore, hence I don't know if that's a valid RPM/MP combination, but from a FDE POV there's nothing in the air/cfg file which would prevent the RPM to be reduced as much as necessary.

**Ian Warren** · July 29th, 2012, 13:22

Looking good Steven

, see if i can dig up a photo , be only B/w tho
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**ottor** · July 29th, 2012, 19:04

Originally Posted by bstolle

The 109 FDE is a rather old one and I don't have my development and performance data anymore, hence I don't know if that's a valid RPM/MP combination, but from a FDE POV there's nothing in the air/cfg file which would prevent the RPM to be reduced as much as necessary.

Thanks for your reply Bernt. I was incorrect about the 1800 rpm, the checklist in the manual gives cruise settings as 1 atm with prop at 2000 to 2100rpm. Just in case it may mean something to you here is a screengrab of the numbers I'm seeing. Note that the prop rpm shown in my test gauge is close to those numbers, however the tachometer gauge in the cockpit shows a higher reading - perhaps that is displaying engine rpm? I also saw that the prop efficiency curves in the .air file are defined between 15 and 40 degrees - does fsx extrapolate those curves to 85 degrees?

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Regardless, I'm still enjoying the plane! Thanks to all who have taken an interest in my (perceived) problem.

Cheers

**Wozza** · July 29th, 2012, 19:52

Originally Posted by ottor

Thanks for your reply Bernt. I was incorrect about the 1800 rpm, the checklist in the manual gives cruise settings as 1 atm with prop at 2000 to 2100rpm. Just in case it may mean something to you here is a screengrab of the numbers I'm seeing. Note that the prop rpm shown in my test gauge is close to those numbers, however the tachometer gauge in the cockpit shows a higher reading - perhaps that is displaying engine rpm? I also saw that the prop efficiency curves in the .air file are defined between 15 and 40 degrees - does fsx extrapolate those curves to 85 degrees?

Regardless, I'm still enjoying the plane! Thanks to all who have taken an interest in my (perceived) problem.

Cheers

Hi
Are you running in auto pitch or manual? as the gauge I did for auto pitch control was AFAIK never properly calibrated, the figure in there were just ball parkish
cheers
Wozza

**P38man** · July 29th, 2012, 20:00

Originally Posted by ottor

Thanks for your reply Bernt. I was incorrect about the 1800 rpm, the checklist in the manual gives cruise settings as 1 atm with prop at 2000 to 2100rpm. Just in case it may mean something to you here is a screengrab of the numbers I'm seeing. Note that the prop rpm shown in my test gauge is close to those numbers, however the tachometer gauge in the cockpit shows a higher reading - perhaps that is displaying engine rpm? I also saw that the prop efficiency curves in the .air file are defined between 15 and 40 degrees - does fsx extrapolate those curves to 85 degrees?

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Regardless, I'm still enjoying the plane! Thanks to all who have taken an interest in my (perceived) problem.

Cheers

Hey Ottor what's that list thingy? Is it downloadable?

**bstolle** · July 29th, 2012, 20:28

Originally Posted by ottor

1.Note that the prop rpm shown in my test gauge is close to those numbers, however the tachometer gauge in the cockpit shows a higher reading - perhaps that is displaying engine rpm?
2.I also saw that the prop efficiency curves in the .air file are defined between 15 and 40 degrees - does fsx extrapolate those curves to 85 degrees?

1. No, that's prop RPM being displayed. The performance is correct for the mentioned RPM displayed on the RPM gauge in the VC.
Your test flight gauge is showing different numbers due to various FSX limitations. It's not uncommon to cheat by using different numbers internally to achieve realistic behaviour/performance.
2. No it doesn't extrapolate. That's why there are different numbers on your test flight gauge and the RPM gauge. Back then I didn't use custom prop curves so we had to come up with a different solution.

**ottor** · July 29th, 2012, 21:19

Originally Posted by bstolle

1. No, that's prop RPM being displayed. The performance is correct for the mentioned RPM displayed on the RPM gauge in the VC.
Your test flight gauge is showing different numbers due to various FSX limitations. It's not uncommon to cheat by using different numbers internally to achieve realistic behaviour/performance.
2. No it doesn't extrapolate. That's why there are different numbers on your test flight gauge and the RPM gauge. Back then I didn't use custom prop curves so we had to come up with a different solution.

Thanks for the explanation Bernt. You understand these things much better than I.

Originally Posted by P38man

Hey Ottor what's that list thingy? Is it downloadable?

P38man it's just a little xml gauge I put together. If you'd like it, pm me and I'll email it to you.

Originally Posted by Wozza

Hi
Are you running in auto pitch or manual? as the gauge I did for auto pitch control was AFAIK never properly calibrated, the figure in there were just ball parkish
cheers
Wozza

Hi Wozza, I'm pretty sure I tried it in both settings. I have a feeling it is in auto on that screenshot. I'll take better note of it next time I fly.

Thank you all for your replies.

Cheers

ottor

**P38man** · July 29th, 2012, 22:53

Hey otter....thanks I would like the gauge !

However the PM system won't allow me to PM you.

Maybe you don't have enough posts or have disabled it ?

You could just post the XML text here I guess as an attached file?

**Steven190** · July 30th, 2012, 03:49

Originally Posted by Ian Warren

Looking good Steven

, see if i can dig up a photo , be only B/w tho
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I am using the photo and color plate from the Monagram book series of Luftwaffe color chips. If you want I will upload it. I usually just keep them. I may be done this weekend if time permits.