How about a fresh look for good ole BoB airfields?

[kelticheart]

A good day to everybody!

While dancing the floors, walls and furniture merengue of the second major quake next door in ten days, I thought that dedicating some time to the good ole' Burns' BoB RAF airfields could have been a good way to quench my worries and take my mind off from things I can't control.

Extracting the layouts and modifying them thanks to Martin Wright's GSL tools and Lindsay Watts' GSL tutorial was a matter of few minutes.
Then replacing some old objects with Wolfi's and Canion's ETO libraries, swapping old CFS1 objects for better looking ones and, finally, adding some vehicles for a more lively Hawkinge was quite a lot of fun.

The result is attached below, while the original work done by Gary is still evident, a fresh coat of small details here and there created, in my opinion, a nice atmosphere.

What do you think, should I keep doing some landscaping in Ye Olde Sod?

Darn...my chair just shook slightly as I was writing, the experts are telling us this could go on for weeks, months or even years before the two Po Valley faults, that started acting up on last May 20th 8 to 11 km under our feet, will go back to sleep. Not funny.

Cheers!
KH

[Rami]

Stef,

That's fantastic! May I make one request? Get rid of the "oiltank" object, and use the ones from Pen32Win's AF airfield package.

I'm about 60 missions in to the German side of BoB...but I'm stuck right now in library hell.

[kelticheart]

Stef,

That's fantastic! May I make one request? Get rid of the "oiltank" object, and use the ones from Pen32Win's AF airfield package.

I'm about 60 missions in to the German side of BoB...but I'm stuck right now in library hell.

Aye, aye, sir! Nice to hear from you!

Should I use the large or the medium ones, (the latter match better the size of the original ones) green or blue?

What do you think of my rendition of Al Deere's mount for YAS MkIA v.2 (the PR-F version)?

Cheers!
KH

[Rami]

Stef,

The medium ones are fine, and please continue updating!

The "library hell" is the transferring of files from the old archive to the new library, with all the sims transferring over, I have about 1,000 files to catalog and moderate at any given time...I gave up trying to keep up after the second day.

[kdriver]

Hi kelticheart,

You're doing a great job.

I did the same to a couple of airfields when Pen32Win's package came out. I replaced the hangars at Coltishall and Scampton with C-Types, the ones which were actually built at those fields. I also got rid of the remaining default large hangars at Lossiemouth and used T-Types.

As for the fuel storage, Hawkinge, like most, if not all, RAF airfields had underground tanks. Cees Donker made one of these structures, which is now part of a project to convert all of his buildings to destructible library objects.

If you would like this new airfield buildings library to try out, I can send it to you. The buildings are still indestructible. Robert John is showing me how to convert them to destructible objects.

Kevin

[Robert John]

Hi Everyone,
Great job.
I do not know what is wrong with the oiltank except if you use TAF_G20OBJ_Update and follow install instructions you will lose the oiltank and get error messages.
RJ.

[Cody Coyote]

Keep up the good work Kelti. I like to subtle enhancements, just right.

[kelticheart]

Hi kelticheart,

You're doing a great job.

I did the same to a couple of airfields when Pen32Win's package came out. I replaced the hangars at Coltishall and Scampton with C-Types, the ones which were actually built at those fields. I also got rid of the remaining default large hangars at Lossiemouth and used T-Types.

As for the fuel storage, Hawkinge, like most, if not all, RAF airfields had underground tanks. Cees Donker made one of these structures, which is now part of a project to convert all of his buildings to destructible library objects.

If you would like this new airfield buildings library to try out, I can send it to you. The buildings are still indestructible. Robert John is showing me how to convert them to destructible objects.

Kevin

Hi Kevin,

thank you and everybody else for your kind comments!

This buried fuel storage, which I was not aware of, is opening up a whole new scenario. It only figures right anyway, since those tanks always looked to me as too good targets to be true!

It means I'll have to go back to all the UK airfields I did and get rid of exposed fuel tanks. I did several, since I reviewed Achim's ETO sceneries and populated with objects many of Pen's 2TAF stunning airfields as well.

All fictional, of course, since I have no photo sources of WWII British airports as well as the rest of Europe. "C" hangars in Coltishall and Scrampton, you say? The great looking new "C" hangars Pen included in his overhaul of Gary Burns' object library will fit in great! I was planning to replace some of them in Burns' BoB collection as well, since I noticed old CFS1 hangars were used here and there.

Have you got other info about which type of hangar was used and where? I would love to put together an almost-historical collection and will gladly post it here when I am done.

I am sending you a pm for the Cees Donker's library you are kindly offering and I will replace the exposed tanks with the buried ones.

If this is not yet another one of those great SOH knowledge sharing and pooling I don't know what else it is!

Robert John:

I don't understand why you should have such problem. In my case, installing Pen32Win's overhauled Burns' British objects, just replaced the old BoB fuel tank with a nicer looking one, I believe the same "blue-medium" tank he included in his earlier AF Allied Airfield buildings pack.

Cheers!
KH

[Seagull V]

Hello Kelti

Stay safe and well with those tremors, multiple tremors over time can also weaken structures so keep an eye on your buildings around you.

For additional information about hangars check out the Google Sketchup 3D site, some people there have done some excellent work:-
http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehou...reps=3&start=0
http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehou...=Search&reps=6

also of interest:-
http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehou...=Search&reps=4
http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehou...=t&btnG=Search
http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehou...=Search&reps=1
http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehou...=Search&reps=4
http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehou...=Search&reps=7
http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehou...=Search&reps=8

Regards, SGV

[watchdog22]

Great job Kelti I look forward to downloading them when you''re ready

[Robert John]

"Robert John:

I don't understand why you should have such problem. In my case, installing Pen32Win's overhauled Burns' British objects, just replaced the old BoB fuel tank with a nicer looking one, I believe the same "blue-medium" tank he included in his earlier AF Allied Airfield buildings pack".


Not a problem for myself, it may have been a problem for newer users.

Here is a old thread

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforum...roblem-oiltank

[kdriver]

Have you got other info about which type of hangar was used and where? I would love to put together an almost-historical collection and will gladly post it here when I am done.

I am sending you a pm for the Cees Donker's library you are kindly offering and I will replace the exposed tanks with the buried ones.

Hi KH,

Received the PM and the package is on its way.

The Gary Burns airfields are actually pretty accurate as far as buildings go with what was available at the time. They are situated at the same locations as CFS 1 which in a number of cases are incorrect.

If you install Ian Elliot's and Cees Donker's airfields, you'll see quite accurate depictions of each aerodrome. They are not GSL but the latest computers shouldn't have any trouble with them.

As for the hangars, the RAF built some substantial ones in the expansion period before the war. The C-Type generally had brick walls. As the war progressed, more and more airfields were being constructed at a rapid rate, so the hangars became all metal lighter fabrications.

If you type the name of each RAF airfield into Wikipedia, you'll often get a wartime aerial shot of the field.

Here's a couple of lists of hangars which are still is use today and also a shot of Debden where you can make out the C-Type hangars, not only because they are labelled as such, but you cans see the saw-tooth roofs.

Cheers,

KD

[kdriver]

Here's the underground fuel bunker at Hawkinge today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rN_Hfvf1pto

[kdriver]

And here's the bible of UK airfield locations - co-ordinates & Google Earth: http://www.homepages.mcb.net/bones/U...talogue/uk.htm

[kelticheart]

Hi KH,

Received the PM and the package is on its way.

The Gary Burns airfields are actually pretty accurate as far as buildings go with what was available at the time. They are situated at the same locations as CFS 1 which in a number of cases are incorrect.

If you install Ian Elliot's and Cees Donker's airfields, you'll see quite accurate depictions of each aerodrome. They are not GSL but the latest computers shouldn't have any trouble with them.

As for the hangars, the RAF built some substantial ones in the expansion period before the war. The C-Type generally had brick walls. As the war progressed, more and more airfields were being constructed at a rapid rate, so the hangars became all metal lighter fabrications.

If you type the name of each RAF airfield into Wikipedia, you'll often get a wartime aerial shot of the field.

Here's a couple of lists of hangars which are still is use today and also a shot of Debden where you can make out the C-Type hangars, not only because they are labelled as such, but you cans see the saw-tooth roofs.

Cheers,

KD

Hi KD!

Ah, Debden.........here's an historical airfield of topmost importance for both the BoB and later the 8th USAAF war effort that's missing real bad from the CFS2 ETO universe.

The only scenery we can get for Debden is Jurassic GZR Debden, which even looks like a post-war airfield, loaded with non-GSL objects, the sim crawls when flying from there just a single, non multi-LOD aircraft converted from FS9. Another airport that our scenery gurus could get around to is Church Fenton, often mentioned during the BoB.

I think I have Cees Donkers's and Ian Astill complete collection, I'll see if I'll be able to use the available GSL designs from Achim's ETO sceneries to imitate those airports. I already modified Canion's "Dambuster" Waddington using Ian's Waddington as a guideline, but they cannot come out the same because the design of runways, taxiways and wornout areas is different. Cees Donkers' is more specialised in late-war RAF or USAAF airports, what I am looking for now is to update Gary Burns' BoB fields.

Thanks for all the info you are providing me with.

Cheers!
KH