Flying Stations Sea Fury released(payware) 17May12

[jetstreamsky]

Yes like Rich said, the main difference is the turbocharger and supercharger sections. Best to keep the models settings for those. The other items are relatively small changes , hard to know if they make any significant changes, I would ignore the mods that come withe sound set and keep the original model configuration. It'll be much easier to compare with other people flying the Sea Fury and if any updates are released, it will still be compatible.

I agree these sounds aren't perfect either, especially for the volume in cockpit, it's just a choice.

As for throttle settings vs sound and power response, that's another discussion entirely.

[Daube]

Well, I just wanted to check if these modifications would impact in any way the sounds of the airplane in the VC, that's all

[peter12213]

Yeah it'll ruin the best and most detailed Seafury model made for any sim ever to date haha! But ... The sounds are much better, I thought they sounded great, but it's for a completely different model of the Fury anyway or do I just sound like a complete knob lol?

[Rich]

Sea Fury cat hook up point on HMS Victorious is where you see the red light

Just free info you may already know, you will not have a red light this is to give the location.

[SpaceWeevil]

Yes like Rich said, the main difference is the turbocharger and supercharger sections. Best to keep the models settings for those. The other items are relatively small changes , hard to know if they make any significant changes, I would ignore the mods that come withe sound set and keep the original model configuration. It'll be much easier to compare with other people flying the Sea Fury and if any updates are released, it will still be compatible.

I agree these sounds aren't perfect either, especially for the volume in cockpit, it's just a choice.

As for throttle settings vs sound and power response, that's another discussion entirely.

+1 on using the BritSim sounds but leaving the aircraft.cfg well alone - the [PISTON ENGINE] settings with the new soundset didn't give enough boost to take off and stay airborne. Going back to the original .cfg restored the throttle response to normal. I'm keeping the new sounds for now - the fly-by sound is spine-tingling!

[Rich]

Flying Stations Sea Fury has a supercharger with supercharger settings as opposed to a turbocharger, the engine control giving the auto operation as per the real thing is via Centaurus.dll, changing to turbocharger as per the recommendation with the Centaurus sound set removes the engine control hence no boost or power.

A lot of trouble shooting on complaints of lack of power is down to changes like this and a lot of time is wasted trying to sort out why people have this problem.

I am pretty sure those changes suggested to the Piston engine section will have no effect on sound.

[Daube]

Flying Stations Sea Fury has a supercharger with supercharger settings as opposed to a turbocharger, the engine control giving the auto operation as per the real thing is via Centaurus.dll, changing to turbocharger as per the recommendation with the Centaurus sound set removes the engine control hence no boost or power.

A lot of trouble shooting on complaints of lack of power is down to changes like this and a lot of time is wasted trying to sort out why people have this problem.

I am pretty sure those changes suggested to the Piston engine section will have no effect on sound.

And this is precisely why I didn't modify the aircraft.cfg.
I think I'll make a new topic about the sound issue, because this is not only for the Fury, but for a few other planes as well, in which the engine(s) is barely audible in the cockpit. I believe this is linked to some settings in the sound.cfg... so I'm going to make a new topic asking this precise question.

[Rich]

Anything to do with sound will be in sound.cfg as far as I can tell though back in the dark ages there was a section in the airfile that did have some effect on sound where engine hp plus a couple of other bits came into play.

This was in the days of Fs98, and the then new Combat flight sims plus Fs2000, now everything is either in aircraft.cfg though no sound except for aliasing sound to somewhere other than the model using it.

Sound is sound.cfg controlled as far as I can see though not sure if VC cockpit is specially catered for.

Just MY perception

Rich

[SpaceWeevil]

Leaving aside personal preferences on sounds, this is a wonderful model that looks great, handles beautifully and is a complete blast to fly. It deserves to do really really well.

[peter12213]

Sea Fury cat hook up point on HMS Victorious is where you see the red light

Just free info you may already know, you will not have a red light this is to give the location.

So to me it looks like aim for the shuttle to be inline horizontally with that furthermost seam line on the cowling.

[fsxar177]

A big +1 to Flying Stations for this release. For $15, the value is excellent. It's nice to have a native Sea Fury, finally!

A few items of question for you guys that have been fooling with it all week:
1.) Do you find it a little too quick?
2.) Are a dedicated Bristol Centaurus soundset due this fine aircraft?
3.) I'm not getting any reflective textures, by adding a dark alpha for the exterior skins, it looks like this is built in to the .mdl. Does it need it some shine?
4.) With the success of this release, should we beg them to do a civilian Wright powered counterpart?

Congrats again to the team!

Joseph

[sketchy]

A few items of question for you guys that have been fooling with it all week:
1.) Do you find it a little too quick?

2.) Are a dedicated Bristol Centaurus soundset due this fine aircraft?

3.) I'm not getting any reflective textures, by adding a dark alpha for the exterior skins, it looks like this is built in to the .mdl. Does it need it some shine?

4.) With the success of this release, should we beg them to do a civilian Wright powered counterpart?

Congrats again to the team!

Joseph

Hi Joseph, thanks for the post, some answers to your comments:

1. Its modeled to the Sea Fury POH, she was / is a quick plane indeed.

2. Personal choice if you don't like the "Actual" Bristol Centaurus sounds that were recorded for this release.

3. Each one of the External textures - 01 - 02 - 03 all have Spec Maps applied with areas such as the panel lines, undercarriage bays, not slip walk ways, tyres and exhaust dirt knocked back to shine less, your second image (and what an image it is I might say!) clearly shows the shine there.

4. You can beg, but in all honesty its unrealistic, there are too many other things in the hopper that are closer to our hearts.

But thanks for posting those amazing images and picking the plane up. Releases will always split opinions as to sounds / textures / flight models etc, we are a very small team, we take our time as we all have very busy real lives to juggle, it is a real labour of love what we release and we appreciate all the positive comments.

I am looking forward to some repaints, she offers a lot of potentials.

Cheers,

Sketchy

[fsxar177]

Thanks for the personal response!

I am a very happy customer, and will look forward to the next release.


Joseph

[SkippyBing]

Just a quick note on the throttle response.

To prevent over boosting and reduce pilot workload the real Sea Fury doesn't directly link the throttle lever to the throttle butterflies. Instead it was linked via an aneroid capsule and a suitable system of levers and gears which would limit the opening of the butterflies to that required to achieve max permitted boost of 9.5". This means they aren't fully open until ~18,000' in high gear where the supercharger can no longer compress enough air to compensate for the drop in pressure.

To emulate this in FSX the user's throttle input is scaled with altitude before being passed to FSX, consequently at sea level if you have the throttle fully open FSX thinks it's only 70% open, and half open is ~35%. Above 18,000' throttle input and output are identical, if you move between these two heights with your throttle at a fixed position the value passed to FSX will vary with altitude but you will be achieving the same percentage of available throttle and power at all heights.

Generally you should be monitoring boost and RPM (or just boost with the RPM in the auto position) for performance rather than where the throttle is as in reality this will vary by aircraft anyway. Or in helicopters by how much the all up mass is at any moment in time.

Incidentally the internal sound volume is based on wearing a helmet with built in headset to avoid long term deafness in the Fleet Air Arm's pilots!

P.S. for the reflective textures try using a light alpha rather than a dark one, we used a slightly different recipe for the textures than most developers.

[peter12213]

Skippy it's not the engine throttle response or aircraft performance its the actual throttle lever in the vc, Ive notticed it king of sticks and jerks while the engine and performance are actually responding as should with my throttle, it's kind of hard to describe, tbh it's a minor cosmetic thing and doesn't detract from the immence fun of flying this beauty or its performance in any way!