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    Martin T4M "Torpedo Truck"

    Well my Grandpa did have bad things to say in his logs. He despised this airplane. He considered this plane a relic by the time he did his first flight in one. This was also his first time in dealing with torpedo tactics since he entered the fleet in 1935.

    At the time my Grandpa flew a Torpedo Truck from the Lexington in 1937, the bird was already past its prime, but because the Navy hadn't found a proper replacement that could be justified for purchase the old Trucks had to soldier on into 1938.

    My grandfather's notebook says, "I believe I could fly a kite and getter better results thin that bitch can." "I had my first flight in the bitch, today, I can walk faster then that thing at full"

    At the time my Grandpa flew the Truck, the torpedo tactics were improving from broadside attack to what would become the "Anvil and Hammer" tactics used in World War II. His first experience in making a torpedo attack occurred off Hawaii in a fleet exercise. Once word had came that Scouting Force had found and made contact with the opposing forces main fleet, The USS Lexington lounched its air group to attack it.

    The T4M's took off first because it would take them the longest to reach the target area. For nearly a third of the flight, they had no fighter escort. Once they made contact with the enemy battle line, (USS Oklahoma, USS Nevada and I couldn't make out the third one, smudged ink). His section leader choose to make a broadside run on the Oklahoma. They dropped down to 125 ft, opened the throttles to 100 mph and presented themselves on the broadside for a very low slow run in on target. Three of his, including his plane, were ruled killed in the attack and had to head to Pearl to set the rest out. His section only scored one hit on the Oklahoma. The other section that was in the attack choose to hit a cruiser and made the attack using the newly developed, by the Japanese, anvil attack...that section all survived the wargame and the Brooklyn was ruled dead.

    My grandfather blamed his being knocked out of the game as more to bad decisions, but he also said if he had a better torpedo plane he could have got in. Oklahoma was eventally put out of action by the dive bombers in the strike.

    So in the end, The old Torpedo Truck just simply had soldiered on past its time.

    Grandpa said the best part of that three months in Torpedo planes with VT-2 was the fact that he got a lot of extra unscheduled leave in Honolulu and San Diego.
    "Thats some of the best flying I have ever seen, upto the point that your dead, Never ever leave your wingman!"......Jester, Top Gun

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    Nice post, Cowboy! Must have been great to know your grandpa and get to talk to him about his experiences. Thanks for sharing!
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    The pre war liveries are my favorite. Henry William did some amazing pre war skins for FDG's donationware Dauntless. 3 Marine and 1 Navy skins are over at avism.

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    The last two biplanes to brought in on this discousion also didn't fair well in Grandads opinion. Though he admits his observations were just that observations. He didn't collect any flying time in these birds, but as a fighter pilot who had to escort many times, he made some good and valid observations from that stand point.

    First let's cover this one.....


    Vought SBU-1 "Corsair"

    Designed under the same design request as the Curtiss SBC, the Vought SBU-1 Corsair entered the fleet in 1935. This machine was an all metal aircraft and would be the Navy's first true dive bomber and would eventually take over that job from the Curtiss BFC Goshawk. This was also the Navy's first bomber to break the 200 mph mark. (The Goshawk configured for bombing was only capable of around 180 mph.) My grandfather commments on this machine are limited to observations.

    He liked escorting this machine, but he didn't like its attack profile. He personally seen two of them go into the ocean during training. The pilots tried to treat it like it was a Goshawk and entered to step of dives that they couldn't pull out of.

    Now from what I can tell of the plane by flying the one in the sim. is that he was right on. Nice bird, but keep your dives to 75 degrees so you can pull out. They should have put dive brakes on this sucker.


    Great Lakes BG

    Well here is another plane my grandfather despised even though he never flew one. He called it in his notes as nothing more then fighter bait. He knew when he was in his F3F or F2A escorting these things, that they would draw enemy fighters. Simply because at the time they were slow and because they were feared the most by a ship in wargames.

    They were feared because they could carry a 1,000 lb bomb that could devistate a ship. But, under this load they were slow in every aspect. and they generally operated at 8,000 ft. Even though they were classed as dive bombers, my Grandfather's notes say they seldom exceeded 55 degrees in their attack...this is what we would call glide bombing.

    In the end these birds along with the SBC introduced the world to true dive bombing.

    It also led the Navy to realize that they were getting to many types with simular roles and this forced a rethink in requirements.

    In 1936, the carrier scouting requirement was being met by

    Grumman SF-1
    Vought SBU
    Curtiss SBC
    Vought O2U

    While the bombing requirements were being met by
    Great Lakes BG-1
    Martin T4M
    Curtiss BFC Goshawk
    Curtiss SBC
    Vought SBU

    This large diverging force along with new technology led the USN to seak monoplanes that could meet requirements of the above and surpass them.

    I think I have covered all the biplanes that are mentioned in my Grandpa's books
    "Thats some of the best flying I have ever seen, upto the point that your dead, Never ever leave your wingman!"......Jester, Top Gun

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    Quote Originally Posted by msfossey View Post
    Henry William did some amazing pre war skins for FDG's donationware Dauntless. 3 Marine and 1 Navy skins are over at avism.
    Apparently no longer available. Still listed in the library but the download links don't work...//

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    I just did a search for "Henry William" at Avism. He has 28 pages of downloads, the skins for the SBD are for FS2004, they are all on page 24. The links are working ok for me. I didn't modify the skins and they work fine. If I can help in anyway Bearcat, please let me know, it would be nice to return the favor.


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    Thanks for the offer msfossey. I could use the help. It seems that i can't download anything from that site anymore. I fired off an email to the Avsim admin for assistance. I just upgraded my service to U-verse and i'm thinking that maybe the high download speed is proving too much for the Avsim server. These are the files i'm needing:

    fdgdau_mar.zip
    fdgau_mar1.zip
    fdgdau_mar2.zip
    fdgdau_nav.zip

    Do you have my email?

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    Bearcat,

    Sent you a pm.

    msfossey

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    I can't download from Avsim with Internet Explorer, but I can with the Google Chrome browser. Don't know why, but I discovered it by accident somehow.
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    Thanks for the tip Jagd, but i get no joy with Chrome either. Nothing but error messages with that also, with any file link.

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