SU-26 is out!!

[Felixthreeone]

I really, seriously cannot believe that we are seeing yet another 'It doesn't fly like the real thing and can't do everything the real plane can' threads come out of this!!!

...Listen, people...this is an aerobatic plane designed for FLIGHT SIMULATION. FLIGHT SIMULATION!!!!!

There never has been, nor will there ever be, any addon aircraft that can come even close to what a real aerobat can do in the real world, on a PC!!!! Get used to it! They make addons that can come sorta-kinda-maybe-possibly close, as far as relatively TAME aerobatics are concerned...but that is it!!!! By Alabeo saying 'Real' anything, is simply them saying 'hey, we tried to get some of the performance characteristics as close as we could'. This is an extremely annoying thing to see in each and every topic that is started on every single freaking new plane!!! I have been flying for years and still have yet to see anything that comes even relatively close to the real thing!!!! It is a PC simulation! It has limitations! Get over it!!!!!

[Bomber_12th]

So let me get this straight...because the aircraft cannot accurately perform a couple of maneuvers, it is being labeled as "unflyable"? Because it cannot perform some advanced maneuvers, does that mean it cannot take-off, it cannot be handled in-flight, it cannot be rolled, it cannot be looped, and one can not land it - all virtually mind you - because as far as I'm concerned, if it can do all that, it sounds like it is at least the majority of the way there. Please don't just slam an entire piece of work, especially from a new developer, which seems to make an extremely nice looking product besides, simply because of a few items which might not be absolutely perfect - let alone, dismiss it for not being able to do what hardly any other alternative could. If you really desire better, contact the developer first hand, and don't go in with fists flying - make it a motive to help, rather than advise or call attention to just issues alone - it might be surprising just what it gets you, who knows! I think I can safely say, that the route taken through the ways displayed here, won't get anyone anywhere.

Again, if you really do care to see the product improved, rather than just throwing blatant criticisms around leading to nothing in return but "heating up the forums", talk with the developer and see where it takes you.

[SeanTK]

There never has been, nor will there ever be....

It's always amusing to come back to points like this after a few years of further development.

Also, the post as a whole is a simplification of the argument, from my understanding. I think everyone here realizes that Microsoft Flight Simulator X has current engine limitations that prohibit the possibility of completely realistic flight dynamics, and I don't think people are looking for by-the-numbers, mathematically precise, all-encompassing aerobatic fidelity with this addon. However, they are looking for a closer approximation over what's been provided. It's possible to refine a product while maintaining the realization that current technology will prevent you from getting it 100% perfect.

Note: I made a long post about this on the previous page for those that may have missed it...

And yet again, this will thread will likely be shut down because some rest on their laurels, some want to act holier than thou, some want to white knight, and some can't express their critique of an addon constructively.

Another note: I've only seen one person here label it as unflyable. Other points about the FDE have been cited from real world examples, and the capabilities of other aerobatic addons.

As others have mentioned, it's a computer game hobby. It's a game that can be used to train for real world flying events, and a game where you can cruise around at mach 3 in the grand canyon, or anything in between.

Why there are egos involved here is something that's puzzling to me. All I hope for is that continued progress is made, new boundaries are pushed, and new previously "impossible" features are "unlocked", in order to further our enjoyment of this hobby. We've seen some remarkable advancements in FSX capabilities over the previous few years from a number of developers, and I hope this "fear of criticism" trend doesn't slow that process down and entice a mindset of "well, there's no new tech in this plane, but we're XYZ company, and they'll buy from us no matter what."
As I said on the previous page, while we have to have reasonable expectations, we still should be able to push for advancement, and not settle for "same-old, same-old".

[Roger]

Sean, what John and Felix have posted is correct. As John wrote:

"...if you really do care to see the product improved, rather than just throwing blatant criticisms around leading to nothing in return but "heating up the forums", talk with the developer and see where it takes you."

We have an unprecedented over-heating of our FsX forum at the moment and as moderators and administrators of this site we have to take the heat out...for the sake of SOH: it's that simple. If we slackened our moderation, anarchy would prevail and we won't allow that. We have a long and proud history here, advert free and covering as many sim related topics as possible; we have something of great value to the community in these forums and we will protect it at all costs.

[SeanTK]

Sean, what John and Felix have posted is correct. As John wrote:

"...if you really do care to see the product improved, rather than just throwing blatant criticisms around leading to nothing in return but "heating up the forums", talk with the developer and see where it takes you."

We have an unprecedented over-heating of our FsX forum at the moment and as moderators and administrators of this site we have to take the heat out...for the sake of SOH: it's that simple.

And I agree fully that issues, wishes, and other notations need to be addressed to the developer. I also agree that SOH (at least the FSX part) seems quite argumentative lately. From my lurking observations, the mods here have done a pretty good job of eliminating the obviously non-constructive points made by the more aggressive members here, but on that note, I would hope that, as adults (and I think I'm one of the younger ones here) that we can talk about the pros and cons of various subjects without resulting to grade-school drama and a re-adoption of our teenage years.

In my opinion, the need to heavily moderate (some may call it censoring) a forum reflects extremely poorly on the mindset and maturity of the community. Obviously, there's not much anyone can do, and the moderating is indeed needed, but it certainly leads to unfortunate circumstances, such as developers removing themselves from public discourse, as has happened recently.

The members here have a right to know what's good and bad about any product. I know that's it's especially dangerous to point out a bug or issue as it relates to any freeware production, whether or not that bug is related to a realism factor, or a "technology-is-fighting back" factor. On that same note, especially since money is involved, it should be appropriate to bring up constructive criticism and complete, honest observations (and even opinion!) about payware addons!

The crux of the matter is maturity levels. I've seen 80-year-olds act with the abrasiveness of the "stereotypical" teenager, and teens here and elsewhere conduct themselves with dignity and class. A forum that cannot hold civil discussions on topics as docile as an airplane addon for a computer game is one that, I'm sorry to say, needs to reevaluate certain aspects of it's membership. We're all guilty of coming off in manners sometimes that we wish we could take back, that's the internet and our asset of anonymity...but when it becomes a routine issue, is when there are further issues with a membership's mindset.


I plan on purchasing the Su-26 in the coming days to evaluate it myself. If this thread, or a related one (as has happened with a division in the DC-6 threads) opens up, I will be giving an honest opinion of the product. Good points, bad points, and constructive criticism to go with that.

Threads like this help me make decisions on what products to pursue, since screenshots and formal marketing from the developer can only tell one side of the story.

It would be unfortunate to only see an "announcements" section, with a lack of critical analysis due to members here being unable to conduct themselves with decorum, and disagree amicably, and possibly constructively.

[Roger]

Sean, as you posted:

"It would be unfortunate to only see an "announcements" section, with a lack of critical analysis due to members here being unable to conduct themselves with decorum, and disagree amicably, and possibly constructively."

This is exactly what is not happening. I agree it's what should happen and to a certain extent it's what used to happen until fairly recently, but it has been wrecked by a few individuals who seem intent on destruction.

[skyhawka4m]

Can I recommend that if anyone ever has a problem with a product they contact the seller to see if they are aware of it? It just seems these days you can not make everyone happy and frankly.....its the same in the real world. I tell customers everyday "NO!" because guess what....its how things are done...get over it. If they don't like it they will go else where.


So....I say...if you have an issue...take it up with the company...if they don't make you happy. move on. Stop trying to rain on the parade of others who are enjoying the product. The worst thing is...there are people here who havent' even bought it and they are trashing it. WHAT!?!?!?!?


Come...mod's I actually support an announcement sticky and then locking it. Let them take their complaints elsewhere this is getting very old very fast........not only that...I'm tired of threads complaining about complainers......uuughhhh


Can't we just have some fun once in a while in our life? Why does eveything have to be so absolute. If you want aboslute....try out a divorce case like I have to deal with now......trust me...you would rather fly the SU-26.

[Ark]

The aircraft looks awesome!

Can somebody post up a quick Youtube vid of the VC and maybe a pan around of the outside of the aircraft?

Thanks!

[skyhawka4m]

Ok....so...because I want to keep this a postive thread as it should be.......I have found what I believe to be a very good sound replacement.......I am now using the sounds from the Alphasim YAK-52........it is VERY close to the SU-26 sound. Its much better than the supplied sound. I am hoping that one of the payware companies will do one with the FSX sound cone configuration.


I also found that changing this has helped and eliminated some of the side slip....I felt that the plane was a bit underpowered and adjusted the prop thrust some.......I have no idea what I'm doing here guys so.......but I like how it flys and sounds now.

[propeller]
thrust_scalar = 1.5 //Propeller thrust scalar
//thrust_scalar = 1.0 //Propeller thrust scalar

[napamule]

I wasn't aware (I don't do aerobatics) that there wasn't any 'good' videos of the Yaks or Sukois IN SIMULATOR at YouTube. And someone said 'that's it-no aerobatics in FSX'. Well, I decided I would try making my own FDEs as I did not find any that 'worked'. Imagine that. We have had the Extra 300 around a long time. Nobody worked on it? I know I didn't. I got ahold of a Sukhoi 26, by Ricardo Batalha (Ferrari repaing by Stephen Browning) and tweaked it. Mind you I am NOT any kind of aerobatics expert. I'm new at this. I spent most of my time landing F-18's on carrier, and bush flying, and tweaking vehicles, and flying 'extreme' ac like the Concorde, etc. But not yaks. I made a short video (posting to YouTube now). I'll be baaaack (with link). We (yes, 'we') need to do something about this 'no aerobatics in FSX'. I am willing to share (payware guys too-why not) what I have. Need to 'polish' the FDEs a bit more. It has 'issues' (for one it can't slow down enough to land-flys even on idle! Yikes).
Chuck B
Napamule
Edit: Here is the link to YouTube video: http://youtu.be/9bodec2Ycn0

[Navtech]

A good source of inspiration for flying the SU26
Svetlana Kapanina

[jmig]

Interesting read. I do like aerobatics. I did them in USAF flight training and later in a rented Citabria. While the Citabria isn't what you would consider a competition aircraft, it could snap roll and scare the poo out of me Because of this, I have had a soft spot in my heart for aerobatic aircraft. I have bought most of them. So far my favorite is a freebie.

One of the better flight model developers here in SOH tuned the Extra 300 FDE to make it an Edge 540. Now that baby flies! You can do an edge fly by for close to a mile (1600 meters). The only thing I don't like is to get the rudder to work properly in the air, you can hardly taxi. S-turning this baby while taxing just happens.

Anyway, I tried to buy the SU-26. After entering all the information and registering, I got a 'Welcome' screen. When I tried again to buy it, I got a message saying that I wasn't in their database???? I used the "Contact Us" screen and sent a message. That was three days ago. I still haven't heard back.

As a consumer, the one big mortal sin you can do as a developer, is not get back with me. I just spent over $2000 on a used telephoto lens to use in wildlife photography. I have some focusing issues and have adjusted my camera's focus fine tune to the limits. I contacted the dealer and they asked me to contact the the lens manufacturer. I did. Five days later, I haven't heard back from the manufacturer. The lens is going back tomorrow. While I own two other lenses from this company and love them, I don't think I will be buying a third. I will spend the extra money and buy from Nikon. They respond!

Developer's, you guys make this hobby possible for us. Without you we would be flying the vanilla aircraft that came with FSX. Please, respond when someone complains. No matter how silly or stupid the complaint may seem. It is for your benefit.

[Ark]

Found this FSX SU26 video on Youtube. Anybody know what soundpack this is?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA7RS...eature=related

[hews500d]

Found this FSX SU26 video on Youtube. Anybody know what soundpack this is?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA7RS...eature=related

Follow this link that is at the bottom of the video description http://fspropeller.blogspot.com/

Over on the left side of the page is a section for sound downloads. Good find! I haven't heard of this site but it looks like there are some good sound packs on there!

Darrell

[zlin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UU...&v=HCdAEX4jSvM