Rafale C for FS2004

[Blackbird686]

Thanks for the update, Frank.

I think there would be a way to resolve this issue by simply listing the "ui manufacturer" as RAFALEVPA, instead of Dassault. May not be that easy tho... like you say, they have already asked for permission.

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[fsafranek]

Thanks for the update, Frank.

I think there would be a way to resolve this issue by simply listing the "ui manufacturer" as RAFALEVPA, instead of Dassault. May not be that easy tho... like you say, they have already asked for permission.

BB688

I agree. Roland should have done the same with his FSX version. It was also suggested, and sometime I've done for others before, that they rename it and distribute it via my website since that is "out of the country" to them. Always an option as far as I'm concerned.

I'm sure it will all get sorted out eventually. In the meantime we still have some updates to Gator's version to punch holes in the sky with.

[awj112]

They are still talking to Dassault Aviation, or waiting for replies. The problem is that they asked, and that they asked about a week before the original expected release rather than a couple of months before. So while they are now pretty much ready to go they still have to deal with Dassault. In the meantime they are continuing to refine it and are working on the B model.

Well on the bright side, they are putting the time to use <sigh>. How can you ask for royalties for something being given away? Again I say, lawyers...

[SOLOBO]

The one thing that never ceases to amaze me about this sort of thing is that the company, (Dassault), wants a "royalty payment" on "freeware". As if the folks at "rafalevpa" were planning to make huge amounts of money with the creation of their "virtual" Rafale aircraft. Even if it were being offered as a payware product... we're not talking about "bundles of fivers" here.

Reckon there are just some things in life I will never understand.

BB686

Indeed... ... Very strange publicity for Dassault...

[fsafranek]

Latest word, as of last night, from VPA is that their Rafale C will be released by the
end of the month if not this weekend. They've been working on the aircraft while
waiting for the Dassault Aviation issue to be resolved so some additional testing is
planned for the next few days. But then it should be ready to go. Yea!

Very pleased to hear that they will finally get the satisfaction of seeing their efforts
enjoyed by others. Selfishly we also get a new Rafale for FS2004.

[Blackbird686]

EXCELLENT NEWS!!! Glad they were able to get things worked out. Thanks for the update, Frank.

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[awj112]

I had just given up hope on this sure that Dassault had killed it with its stupid give us money position. Great news!

[VaporZ]

Latest word, as of last night, from VPA is that their Rafale C will be released by the
end of the month if not this weekend. They've been working on the aircraft while
waiting for the Dassault Aviation issue to be resolved so some additional testing is
planned for the next few days. But then it should be ready to go. Yea!

Very pleased to hear that they will finally get the satisfaction of seeing their efforts
enjoyed by others. Selfishly we also get a new Rafale for FS2004.

Unfortunately Frank this is not what I read this morning on the VPA team french forum.
The news are not good at all.
Dassault Aviation have even closed on their website their "Passionate Corners" webpage
presenting other Dassault aircraft available for FS9 and FSX.

There is a big chance this Rafale project for FS9 will be a non released private venture.

Too bad !

VaporZ

[Navtech]

VaporZ is right !
Dassault will never give the green light until they paid a equivalent money of thousands Euros (it's what I read on their forum)
They should send a letter requesting support of president Sarkozy has .. it will work .. because the French are at election time ROFL
Dassault is ridiculous .. and now I understand that if they have the same marketing policy for their real plane .. they are not yet ready for sell one to any air force ...
Anyways it's seem's they will release it .. Dassault permission or not !

[Blackbird686]

As if I haven't made enough comments on this thread... It would be a shame if RAFALEVPA, having spent great lengths of time, "buckets of sweat and pints of blood" putting the Rafale package together, not to be able to release it (as freeware mind you), because, for whatever reason Dassault does not understand the meaning of "freeware". If I were "Dassault", I would look at this as an asset to possible contracts for the real deal, as well as taking pride in the interest shown in their product by virtual pilots.... that's just me. I wonder if the model had been a Mirage 2000, or other Mirage aircraft, what would have happened?
Yes, I would like to have the Rafale, but that's not the point. This kind of thing discourages talented developers and modelers away from the flight simming hobby IMO. Like myself, and others in this community have said... just call it something else. Problem solved.

In the mean time, Gator's excellent Rafale will be the mainstay for my virtual flight simming missions... irregardless of what the outcome might be in this case. And if the new Rafale is released, I will gladly fly that one too.

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[aeronca1]

As mentioned by Blackbird686, simply change the ui_manufacturer= line. I suggest ui_manufacturer=Money Grubbing Pocket Pickers

[fsafranek]

Well . I guess a lot can change in a couple days. We were just emailing about it yesterday.

And WhyTF did DA take down the flightsim page from their Passions section? Being listed on there was one of my 'claims to fame'. Well, at least I can still see it on the Internet wayback machine.

This is really not good news. I hope they don't decide to go after websites that include their name. Might be time for some "find and replace" work on my website. What was that new name you suggested aeronca1?

[awj112]

I hate to say it but I think they hosed themselves in this case by doing things the "right" way. Another site on the internet still has the Rafale prominently featured as a free download. Will not mention the site or the file to avoid Dassault reprisals. - .

@ aeronca1 - pocket picking usually involves subtlety. In my opinion, robbers or something more violent is more appropriate.

[AndyG43]

I wonder if the model had been a Mirage 2000, or other Mirage aircraft, what would have happened?

If I was a cynic...... wait, I am a cynic!!

I think part of the problem here is Mirage (in it's various incarnations) was a runaway success, including plenty of export orders. Rafale, while undoubtedly a fine aircraft & definitely better looking than Typhoon, has been a commercial disaster; they have one final chance with the Indian order (if it ever happens) & all the smart money os on Typhoon for that one as well. So it is kind of an embarrassment for them.

[Matt Wynn]

i've figured the ui_manufacturer= line.......

D-Ass-Hole (Sounds like the correct pronunciation of Dassault which is, and i'm sure the french speakers will agree here... Dass-oh/Dass-O)