Payware vs, Freeware.

[N2056]

Perhaps a freeware spellchecker might be a good place to start.

Uncalled for, and not something we tolerate. Nobody's perfect.

[warchild]

I think the bottom line on this issue is that at the present time, there are no procedures in place to allow for distinguishing between freeware offerings or new payware offerings. Though its true that most payware is quite obviously just that, there remains some as Helldiver discovered, that hide the payware part somewhere at the bottom of the page.. Currently, moderators have little control over presentation. We see a new post regarding a new release and we sticky it, but declaring whether a plane is free or pay is responsibility of the original poster. Since the only projects we are directly involved with are our own, we cant know whether a particular plane is going to cost money or not. Therefore it would be though not impossible, certainly quite time consuming and tedious to set up a secondary area, or even send out letters to various groups to discover if their new plane fits either category. Add to that that most moderators here have real lives, real jobs, real families, our own products to finish, already spend several hours a day logged in here, and you begin to see how cumbersome and unwieldy this could be. We need to be able to trust that OP's will make clear the status of the aircraft they announce ( whether free or pay ) but that wont always happen. However, We moderators are here to help maintain a civil and respectable climate and not act as a police force of marketing and advertising. I'm sorry.. Thats just the way it has to be..
Pam

[huub vink]

The option of having separate freeware and payware forums have been discussed on previous. For practical reasons like where do you leave a freeware repaint for a payware model, or should we move all threads about a model when the publisher decides to make one of his model available as freeware. And because most of our members are interested in both payware as freeware we have decided many moons ago that the forums would stay linked to the flightsim.

I was fully supporting this decision when it was taken and as I haven't seen any recent development to change my opinion, I'm still fully behind that decision.

Cheers,
Huub

BTW I would support a separate forum for WWII AXIS propeller driven aircraft......

[Roger]

Nothing censored in your post by me Bob. I guess one of the moderators found the combative tone to be a step too far.
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To set this straight it transpires that another admin meaning to "reply with quote" clicked "edit" and consequently Bob's post was edited with the admin's reply. For this we can only apologise.
I will only actually edit a post if the contents are against the rules of the SOH and/or common decency.

[peter12213]

BTW I would support a separate forum for WWII AXIS propeller driven aircraft......

Second that!

[Meshman]

Would it be reasonable if the party that originally posts about a product be expected to clarify that point in his announcement?

As I look for new and exciting places to visit in Hawai'i (once I win the Lotto!), I check out the listings on Yelp. One of the header items is $, $$, $$$ depending upon costs at the store/restaurant/bakery/etc. Maybe we could come up with a similar form of tagging threads. But I guess we would all start debating Dollars or Pounds or Euros...

[Walter]

Second that!

Third that!

[Roger]

Ha ha,
Huub was joking but how many more FsX forums do we want...there's already three

[ColoKent]

...we still love ya Helldiver!

Regards,

Kent

[wombat666]

You guys are missing my point. I'm not talking to whats benn released. I'm talking about NEW aircraft. You have no way of knowing if there free or you got to reach deep into your pocket. Francois, at 83, I've got all the brains I'll ever need. In fact I'm losing some.
Roger, I could have figured that you'd find something in what I wrote to censor. You completely missed my point.

Apologies HD, I was a bit knackered {very long weekend!} and hit 'edit' instead of 'reply with quote'.
No censorship intended, just a dumb slip of the finger.
Mea Culpa.

[Francois]

Francois, at 83, I've got all the brains I'll ever need. In fact I'm losing some.

LOLOL !! In fact, I wasn't talking about YOUR brains, HD

[fsafranek]

Currently, moderators have little control over presentation. We see a new post regarding a new release and we sticky it,

That is not true at all. A recent CH-47 release barely got the time of day before the thread was hijacked and the product critiqued to the bottom of the second page. No sticky there. But you are right about products that mods are involved in getting a sticky right away.

... Therefore it would be though not impossible, certainly quite time consuming and tedious to set up a secondary area,

Such an area did exist about a year or so ago but then some developers felt they weren't getting enough free publicity so they asked to come back into the main area and that was the end of that.

Just observations.

And Mal998, I have to agree.

[Rezabrya]

LOLOL !! In fact, I wasn't talking about YOUR brains, HD

I sure hope you weren't talking about my brains then...

[warchild]

That is not true at all. A recent CH-47 release barely got the time of day before the thread was hijacked and the product critiqued to the bottom of the second page. No sticky there. But you are right about products that mods are involved in getting a sticky right away.


Such an area did exist about a year or so ago but then some developers felt they weren't getting enough free publicity so they asked to come back into the main area and that was the end of that.

Just observations.

And Mal998, I have to agree.

Apologies on that. Some things get missed like the ch-47. Its not intentional, and its one of the reasons we have two moderators in here, when other forums only have one. But still, it's sometimes not enough to cover the full workload. Its bnot that we cant do the job, but, like you, we sit in our homes doing this work. My office being my front room, lends itself to a gazillion interruptions and distractions each day, with people checking in on me, dogs barking cats needing food/petting/a lap to sleep in etc. It's also where i do my dev work, which suffers from the same interruptions. Sometimes things get missed.

I presented the idea of multiple forums to the staff. to be honest, the developers never came into play. Rather it was the fact that the forum would be splintered up into a massive number of seperate forums, and just become a huge confusing mess which didnt serve anyone any good..
Pam

[Helldiver]

In the Fifties, I was very active in Ham Radio. I built my own CW 30 Meter transmitter and rearraged a short wave radio to catch 28 MHz. We worked on quad antennas, built our own towers, worked on double side band suppressed carriers and then single side band, long before the Services adopted it. I set up a Hamfest on top of a resevoir in Danvers where we tried to contact the U.K. on 2 Meters. We would grind our own crystals to rework war surplus SCR 522 recievers. Every Ham would work and help each other.
Then came the "Money Hams". They ruined ARRL. They had Collins 75-A4 recievers bought the best transmitters. added linear amps and brole the FCC 1KW law They bought the best Rohn towers and mounted the finest antennas money could buy. They would blast you right off your frequency. In short they ruined a great hobby.
It's the same thing that's happening to FSX. When the profit motive goes in, out goes the joy of flying Flight Simulator. I'm sorry, but I applaud Tim Conrad and people like them. They have thr right idea.