Introducing the Avia 51

***magoo*** · December 23rd, 2011, 08:10

....Amazing. Most impressive talent.

***Matt Wynn*** · December 23rd, 2011, 08:15

thanks guys.... and for my next trick..... i'm working on the <<Classified>>

that baking on the interior adds a nice subtle level of depth i feel...

**Milton Shupe** · December 23rd, 2011, 18:13

One of the lingering questions about colors is still out there for the Czech Airlines of the 30's.

I have this postcard picture that shows blue on the trim but my Czech Republic friends say "red" is the best guess for this aircraft at this time.

If any of you have any supporting information regarding the airlines colors in 1932, please share it.

**Cag40Navy** · December 23rd, 2011, 19:21

I dont have direct sorces but ive heard stories that they used Red for things in Europe because there was a lot of red paint. Of course, to many reasons for why this was but i figured i would give my 2 cents. Merry Christmas!

***thunder100*** · December 24th, 2011, 06:56

Originally Posted by Milton Shupe

One of the lingering questions about colors is still out there for the Czech Airlines of the 30's.

I have this postcard picture that shows blue on the trim but my Czech Republic friends say "red" is the best guess for this aircraft at this time.

If any of you have any supporting information regarding the airlines colors in 1932, please share it.

Dear Milton

Merry Christmas

I phoned some of my elderly friends,as I am from Czech neighboring country,they say mostly red but also few blue,1 says also green but that was 1 out of 4 and all of them in the 90's not that easy to remeber

Doesnt help just a hint

Roland

**Milton Shupe** · December 24th, 2011, 07:18

Originally Posted by thunder100

Dear Milton

Merry Christmas

I phoned some of my elderly friends,as I am from Czech neighboring country,they say mostly red but also few blue,1 says also green but that was 1 out of 4 and all of them in the 90's not that easy to remeber

Doesnt help just a hint

Roland

Very interesting Roland; thank you for that.

Maybe we can get a few of these variants done along the way.

**Vratan** · December 24th, 2011, 08:42

I think Miltons picture is only a promotional postcard (registration OK-AVF had Letov Š-218). Avia 51 never flown in Czech Airlines colors. Česká letecká společnost (ČLS) tried the first two prototypes in 1934 - 35 (OK-ABV, OK-ABW), but they proved unsuitable for traffic. I have picture with logo and text on fuselage. But blue stripes are correct for CSA in this era. Red is color of new era - Ilyushin, Tupolev and next

**Milton Shupe** · December 24th, 2011, 09:59

Originally Posted by Vratan

I think Miltons picture is only a promotional postcard (registration OK-AVF had Letov Š-218). Avia 51 never flown in Czech Airlines colors. Česká letecká společnost (ČLS) tried the first two prototypes in 1934 - 35 (OK-ABV, OK-ABW), but they proved unsuitable for traffic. I have picture with logo and text on fuselage. But blue stripes are correct for CSA in this era. Red is color of new era - Ilyushin, Tupolev and next

Thank you for the insight. A minor correction if I may is the postcard shows OK-AVE if you look closely. That was assigned however to the Avia B-122 according to the Czech historic registry here:

http://www.goldenyears.ukf.net/reg_OK-.htm

You can find all the Avia 51 registrations plus the Avia 156 and 57 there. :-)

If you have any pictures to share, that would be greatly appreciated.

**Vratan** · December 24th, 2011, 13:10

Oups, my mistake

**Milton Shupe** · December 26th, 2011, 08:07

Originally Posted by Vratan

Oups, my mistake

Not a problem, I did the same thing initially.

**Milton Shupe** · December 26th, 2011, 08:15

I am looking for a Panel and Gauge designer for the Avia 51 and 156.

I want the gauges to be authentic for the period and, at best guess, for the aircraft.

The gauges should be either newly created, property of the designer, or available for use by a gauge-specific written permissions agreement that can be included in the documentation.

I prefer that the works be authentic-like to the Czech aircraft for the era in appearance, function, scales, colors, and metrics.

If this cannot be done, or if no one steps up, then I suppose we must settle for less.

Interested designers please contact me here or by Private Message.

Thanks

***PeteHam*** · December 30th, 2011, 01:09

Can't have this sliding off page 1

Pete.

**Vratan** · December 30th, 2011, 07:03

Originally Posted by Milton Shupe

If you have any pictures to share, that would be greatly appreciated.

Here is it, but the quality is poor

Attachment 55356

**Milton Shupe** · December 30th, 2011, 07:32

Originally Posted by Vratan

Here is it, but the quality is poor

Looks like they took that picture in a snow storm

That was a great picture and fortunately I have a better version of it for reference.

I do wish that there are interior pictures out there somewhere, especially of the cockpit.

I am putting together a basic cockpit with panels and gauges but without a reference, my "artistic license" will be in full force.

**Milton Shupe** · January 1st, 2012, 07:35

Well, it seems that no one with panel and gauge skills is willing to help out on this project so in frustration, I will do a basic one.

After many hours of manually placing gauges to create this Avia 156 panel look, I decided to buy FS Panel Studio.

The attached screenshot was a practice run for creating a VC panel look for the Avia 156.

First, I'll scrap the painted, faded red background.

Then I'll scrap the Spartan, late 30's gauges.

Then I'll adopt a more gray-painted, metal background and early 30's gauges like the Lockheed Vega.

Just the basics will be provided. I have no graphics programs beyond MSPaint and no experience with gauges other than a general understanding of how it all works. I can modify xml gauges and cobble things together.

So, give me a little time and I will get these things done.

I am pushing the other projects to the rear until these are done.