Need Front Face Picture of ...

***lefty*** · November 10th, 2011, 14:32

This one gives a sense of proportion......

**Milton Shupe** · November 10th, 2011, 15:55

Man, those guys look really short!

***Hurricane91*** · November 10th, 2011, 18:55

More fuel for the fire.
A small drawing reputed to be from the Avia factory that appeared in the magazine Letectví+kosmonautika in 2001. Note the similarities and differences between this drawing, the photos, and the other drawing. Small thumbnails like this may have been intended to show a new aircrafts general arrangement and dimensions rather than an detailed engineering drawing. Changes made during prototype construction may also account for some differences.

Span 15.1 m, length 10.75 m.

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**Milton Shupe** · November 10th, 2011, 19:17

Ah yes, I do have this one sir aning my small collection. It helpful in verifying dimensions and has the seating arrangement.

***Hurricane91*** · November 11th, 2011, 05:29

A little more.
Robert Nebasář, the Avia's designer worked on the metal fuselage Lockheed Vega DL-1 (Y1C-12) at Detroit Aircraft before returning to Prague and joining Avia.

This nice salon photo is from my copy of Revolution In The Sky by Richard S. Allen (1964).
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**Milton Shupe** · November 11th, 2011, 07:01

Originally Posted by Hurricane91

A little more.
Robert Nebasář, the Avia's designer worked on the metal fuselage Lockheed Vega DL-1 (Y1C-12) at Detroit Aircraft before returning to Prague and joining Avia.

This nice salon photo is from my copy of Revolution In The Sky by Richard S. Allen (1964).
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WOW! That is an amazing find! This picture shows some detail I hadn't previously seen.

Thanks you so much for your efforts Sir.

Just to let you know, I am working on this diligently (like 10 hours a day) while waiting for other progress on the Grumman project, and I do appreciate all the help.

***Moses03*** · November 11th, 2011, 08:27

Very cool Milton.

Do you have anything on the cockpit? Could be a tough order.

**Milton Shupe** · November 11th, 2011, 08:55

Originally Posted by Moses03

Very cool Milton.

Do you have anything on the cockpit? Could be a tough order.

Thanks Moses.

No, absolutely nothing regarding the interior except for seating positions.

So far, it looks like I will have to wing it.

I do not intend to make this a project thread, but the historical data collection is extremely important.

I appreciate all the research and assistance.

***lefty*** · November 11th, 2011, 09:07

A different pic here ?

http://anthonysaviation.nl/rareaircraft1.html

**Milton Shupe** · November 11th, 2011, 09:20

Originally Posted by lefty

A different pic here ?

http://anthonysaviation.nl/rareaircraft1.html

Whoa! That is awesome! More details that I have not seen before. This is great!

Love this picture.

***Hurricane91*** · November 11th, 2011, 10:07

Originally Posted by lefty

A different pic here ?

Wonderful photo Lefty. Thanks for posting.

**Milton Shupe** · November 12th, 2011, 03:52

Oleos Question: According to the article,

"A divided type of undercarriage is used, with long

telescopic legs running to the front wing spar. These telescopic legs are of the oleo-pneumatic type, and have a long stroke. The wheel track is wide, and wheel brakes

are fitted."

I have inspected the few photos I have and cannot see where the suspension action is.

Can you help explain where the upper and lower struts come together?

Is it similar to the DeHavilland Moth series? I can't see that.

***Hurricane91*** · November 12th, 2011, 09:36

Originally Posted by Milton Shupe

Oleos Question:Can you help explain where the upper and lower struts come together?

That is a good question Milton, but I can only guess at this point. I do notice that the hub fairing around the auxilary struts are different between OK-ABV and OK-ABW. Both have a cuff that extends upward on the oleo, but the size would not seem to indicate a long travel. From the description, the working part of the oleo might be on the upper end where it is attached to the wing spar. That would hide the oleo within the engine nacelle. Wish I could be more helpful on this question but I will keep looking.

John

**Milton Shupe** · November 12th, 2011, 16:13

If you look at the picture I posted above in #27, you can see what looks to be a cuff on the lower right strut, but it would appear upside down. That does not make sense to me. May be it is in the nacelle.

Anyway, I am going to have to do something soon, but of course it's changeable.

***Hurricane91*** · November 12th, 2011, 17:48

Milton, thanks for posting the G-max screenies. The Avia sure looks great.

In regards to the oleos, I flew Wiley's Vega around the patch (K34) to observe the landing gear animations. The working end of the oleo appears to be at the top end of the main landing gear strut attached to the side of the fuselage. Just a guess, but Mr. Nebasář may have used the same arrangement, and placed the main strut further outboard to gain a wider track, similar to Fokker designs. The thumbnail posted earlier illustrated a main strut very similar to some Fokker aircraft. Nebasář's final design may have been intended to reduce drag further.