Martin P4M-1Q Mercator

[harrybasset]

Has this ever been made for FS9 or is one being worked on?

[Tako_Kichi]

I doubt one has been made as Flight Sim does not support mixed power-plants of any type therefore any FDE would have to be totally imaginary.

[Wing_Z]

Vladimir A. Zhyhulskiy would beg to differ...

[Sunny9850]

I have not had a chance to try out the V3 of the C123 by Mr.Vladimir A. Zhyhulskiy. Did he manage to make the jets fully functional with their own thrust adjustment proportional to the real engine or are they just simulated prop engines somehow within the confines of FS ???
When playing around with the C-119 I had experimented with different ways to combine the engine types but never really did get anywhere with it.

Cheers
Stefan

[SSI01]

I broached this topic some time ago re: the Mercator. It would be a unique addition to the FS9 lineup as it is indeed a mixed power-plant aircraft; Martin very skillfully blended the jet engines into the recip nacelles so it's difficult to see the jet's location. The aircraft uses the Davis airfoil also used on the B-24, but so efficiently two recip engines were sufficient to give the aircraft pretty fair performance - the jets were used for takeoff at high weights, and during emergency situations in flight (i.e., being chased by MiGs). Not many Mercators were built. An electronic reconnaissance PB4Y-2 Privateer was the first Navy aircraft lost to a Soviet shoot-down during a border flight in the Cold War; the second was a Mercator, lost I believe in 1948 or 1949 over the Western Pacific near Vladivostok, scene of several shoot-downs by the Soviets during the Cold War. The aircraft was well-suited to ELINT/SIGINT duty due to its speed and load-carrying ability, I have been told. Although my sympathies and enthusiasms lie very much with the Air Force, I would like to see a Mercator for FS9 as well.

[SSI01]

I have not had a chance to try out the V3 of the C123 by Mr.Vladimir A. Zhyhulskiy. Did he manage to make the jets fully functional with their own thrust adjustment proportional to the real engine or are they just simulated prop engines somehow within the confines of FS ???
When playing around with the C-119 I had experimented with different ways to combine the engine types but never really did get anywhere with it.

Cheers
Stefan

One gets the impression reading other posts about this subject that the easiest way to accommodate a jet engine with recips would be to treat the jet as a third recip engine, as most of them used for "boost" purposes with round engines were pretty low-powered jet engines; maybe making the thrust adjustment similar to one of the recips being run at about 70% power could to the trick.

I downloaded this bird but haven't gotten around to installing and flight testing it. Looks like that's the next task to hand.

[Wing_Z]

Engines are Type 0 as far as I can make out, but there are jet sounds assigned to #1 and #4.
I see jet effects are in the [lights] section.

Good enough for me...

[srgalahad]

Harry, some of us do like the odd, maligned, quirky or those of less-than sparkling history and glamour. Alas, but they are likely low on most builders "gotta do" list. With an unsupported power setup like the Mercator, even more will shy away from the expected snipes and criticisms.

Me, if the flight characteristics are legit. and the model basically sound, I'd be happy to have more of these - without counting too many rivets. Mind you, I'd rather have fewer GOOD flight models than a lot of odd-flying monsters that simply fill a list.

I have, but not yet installed the V3 C-123 so I can't comment on the model except to say it seems a bit remarkable. From the screenshot, it appears that the jets require no air, but do put out a nice flame (running rich will do that) -- note the intake doors on the jetpacks are closed yet there's 2 turnin' and two burnin' . Now I'm really going tho have to install it to test it out!

[Mick]

Sad to say, the Mercator was very high on my list of planes for David and I to model when we both got burnt out and retired from FS development.

I believe the Mercator was the only plane ever procured (though not originally designed) specifically for the ferret mission.

[pfflyers]

I think the jet intakes are linked to the cowl flaps, they open and close together.

[Wing_Z]

...So the manual says, so far has defeated me!
No amount of Ctrl-Shft-C and -V will do anything.

[Milton Shupe]

Sad to say, the Mercator was very high on my list of planes for David and I to model when we both got burnt out and retired from FS development.

I believe the Mercator was the only plane ever procured (though not originally designed) specifically for the ferret mission.

That is unfortunate Mick. It would have been great to see that come to fruition.

[TARPSBird]

I'd love to see a Mercator in FS9 and/or FSX. Another of the planes on my love-to-see list is the F9F-8P photo Cougar with the big nose. When Ito-san released his F9F-8 I e-mailed him and asked if he'd be willing to do the photo version if I supplied him with the drawings, and he politely declined. That was right about the time his vision was getting worse.

[AndyG43]

When Ito-san released his F9F-8 I e-mailed him and asked if he'd be willing to do the photo version if I supplied him with the drawings, and he politely declined. That was right about the time his vision was getting worse.

He is much missed, a true gentleman; a couple of projects he did were from plans I sent him, always open to interesting suggestions. An Itosan Mercator could have been nice; mind you, it would still have flown like an acrobatic jet!!

[hawkeye52]

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T'would be nice.......

- H52