NEWS!! From CarenadoPA-46 Malibu Photos Direct from Carenado!

**Cirrus N210MS** · October 21st, 2011, 12:08

New Photos of the PA-46 from Carenado Facebook page

**Barnes** · October 21st, 2011, 13:07

wow!

**spotlope** · October 21st, 2011, 13:37

That gal has got quite a schnoz on her. Can't wait to see what the innards look like!

**ryanbatc** · October 21st, 2011, 15:23

Uuuuhhhh yyeah!

**olderndirt** · October 21st, 2011, 18:37

They had to mount that turbine so far forward for CG purposes with apparently little thought for how the plane would look - UGLY.

**bstolle** · October 21st, 2011, 21:30

But that schnoz makes her climb with 2500fpm at MTOW with the -21 engine

**Kiwikat** · October 21st, 2011, 22:35

I don't find it to be ugly at all... :mixedsmi:

**sim-paticissimo** · October 21st, 2011, 22:52

Originally Posted by olderndirt

They had to mount that turbine so far forward for CG purposes with apparently little thought for how the plane would look - UGLY.

Ugly? I think its a beauty, with its long nose it's very smart!

**YoYo** · October 21st, 2011, 23:31

Beauty!

**Barnes** · October 22nd, 2011, 02:40

Its a great aircraft. Had a chance to fly one (only as P2) when working for a piper distributor - amazing performance.

**YoYo** · January 3rd, 2012, 15:01

New pictures from the 2th January of Malibu model!

http://www.carenado.com/CarSite/Portal/index.php#

**Ark** · January 3rd, 2012, 15:52

Can't wait for this one!

**c87** · January 3rd, 2012, 15:58

The Carenado model is beautiful, but as for the aircraft itself, I'd say it falls on the ugly side.

**dandog** · January 3rd, 2012, 20:31

There is no competition for this aircraft. It's the smallest turbine out there, 4-6 place, that I know of. Too cool!

**YoYo** · January 3rd, 2012, 22:35

Originally Posted by dandog

There is no competition for this aircraft. It's the smallest turbine out there, 4-6 place, that I know of. Too cool!

Dont forget about TBM Socata. Near same type. I had very good free French model for FS9 too.

Socata:

Malibu:

Btw. Model of Malibu looks like finished. VC & outside. This week ?

**expat** · January 4th, 2012, 01:17

People may find it interesting to compare the performance and cost per hour of the Piper, PC-12 and Socata. I know the one I would own IRL if I had the money.

**b52bob** · January 4th, 2012, 09:00

Price difference of 1.5-2 mil for the Socata!

**whitney17** · January 4th, 2012, 12:59

Originally Posted by dandog

There is no competition for this aircraft. It's the smallest turbine out there, 4-6 place, that I know of. Too cool!

Also, don't forget the Epic LT/Dynasty. It's the best looking of the bunch. Too bad they're out of business. But you can still fly Lionheart's, if you want. Bill did a great job on it and there's lots of repaints.

Joe

**expat** · January 4th, 2012, 13:36

When looking at cost comparisons with aircraft in this category, as with business jets but unlike pricing a car or vacation cost, the up front cost is often the least relevant consideration. The acquisition cost gets depreciated over the life of the "asset" and there is a residual value you get back when you sell it. Much sought after aircraft will depreciate more slowly and allow you get more of your bait back on re-sale vs. over abundant aircraft or those with a bad rep or image. The operating costs are the real focus, e.g. depreciation plus fuel, hangar, insurance, pilot salary, scheduled maintenance, etc. on a per hour/monthly/yearly running cost basis. Short hand fully loaded costs for chartered business jets run about $3,500 + per hour. Costing ownership of a C172 or PA 28 shared with two friends can and should be analyzed on the same basis and of course is a fraction of the $3,500 figure.

Then comes the more subjective part - what unique or comparably valuable or useful features does a plane have vs its competitors. My dream GA owner-pilot plane probably would probably be a Super King Air B200 or a Pilatus PC-12. Notably, cost of fuel for 2 x PT6 engines, not to mention major/hot section overhaul, not surpisingly doubles many of the cost variable for the King Air vs the PC-12 yet they have similar performance and cabin space. Counter that with the age old debate about twin vs single engine failure on takeoff scenarios. Interestingly, another of my dream plane contenders, the Twin Turbo Commander 1000 (with -T mod Garrett engines) boasts better fuel per hour consumption cost than all of the single engine PT6 planes, with the exception only of the Meridian.

http://www.twincommander.com/performance.html

**Kiwikat** · January 10th, 2012, 15:47

It looks like the Malibu is getting very close to release. The product page is up, but it doesn't have a link to it yet on the main site. Plus it still says $10,000...

By the sound of their facebook they're probably releasing tonight or tomorrow.

**ryanbatc** · January 10th, 2012, 16:05

Originally Posted by Kiwikat

It looks like the Malibu is getting very close to release. The product page is up, but it doesn't have a link to it yet on the main site. Plus it still says $10,000...

By the sound of their facebook they're probably releasing tonight or tomorrow.

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

**clmooring** · January 10th, 2012, 16:41

Originally Posted by Kiwikat

It looks like the Malibu is getting very close to release. The product page is up, but it doesn't have a link to it yet on the main site. Plus it still says $10,000...

By the sound of their facebook they're probably releasing tonight or tomorrow.

how do you get to the product page. I cant figure out what it would be.

I hope someone picks it up quickly. I have been putting off purchasing the rv-8 to see how this one looks when released.

**Kiwikat** · January 10th, 2012, 16:52

Originally Posted by clmooring

how do you get to the product page. I cant figure out what it would be.

Just got to know a little about HTML and Javascript. There might be an easier way, but it isn't as easy as simply changing the URL in your browser anymore since they went to their new site... :mixedsmi:

Here's the download link to the gallery of screenies. They're quite good. http://www.carenado.com/CarSite/Port...ad/PI1300X.zip