Help!! French aircraft are hard to land (P-36)

**HouseHobbit** · October 12th, 2011, 20:48

I have been flying around getting as feel for this Cool.. H75

And I am having a hard time landing this bird??

Maybe it is it funny French paint on this P-36??

I have the gear down, speed correct, throttle back and BANG!!

Hobbit pieces everywhere!!!

Can't seem to sort out why??

**westview** · October 12th, 2011, 21:26

Hmmmm, Not Sure. From the looks of things you're doing everything perfectly, by the books!

**Murray Cod** · October 13th, 2011, 00:32

I know, I know. You are landing in the wrong hemisphere. Put the long range fuel tanks on and come and land here in Oz. I will fire up the BBQ for you.

cheers
MC

**richcreator** · October 13th, 2011, 01:50

Obviously a trim issue!

**Ivan** · October 13th, 2011, 02:23

Try Landing with the Wheels on the Bottom instead.

I believe that might work better.

- Ivan.

**KellyB** · October 13th, 2011, 04:36

Hmmm. I'm not an accomplished pilot, but I do think there's something wrong with your final approach.

If it's because you think you can see the ground better, you might want to try a different idea.

I don't know about Middle Earth, but up here on the surface, we look UP at the sky.

I'm jus sayin...

**loverboy1** · October 13th, 2011, 07:06

man its obvious .... your mechanic was hobbit

**HouseHobbit** · October 13th, 2011, 08:01

Originally Posted by Ivan

Try Landing with the Wheels on the Bottom instead.

I believe that might work better.

- Ivan.

But the wheels are on the bottom??

**hairyspin** · October 13th, 2011, 11:04

Originally Posted by Murray Cod

Put the long range fuel tanks on and come and land here in Oz. I will fire up the BBQ for you.

Please do not barbecue hobbits. Hobbits are sentient creatures fully able to communicate their feelings. A bit dense at times, but not all of us have degrees from Harvard and anyway hobbit fur is extremely pungent when smouldering.

**loverboy1** · October 13th, 2011, 11:51

yea my first grankid i get ever requested the name hobbit in there some where , if not then, my next 4 legged friend

**greycap.raf** · October 13th, 2011, 12:12

It's a bit baffling how it doesn't work, after all you're doing perfect three point landings. Don't the points stand for cowling-canopy-tailfin after all? Weird indeed.

**HouseHobbit** · October 14th, 2011, 08:55

Originally Posted by hairyspin

Please do not barbecue hobbits. Hobbits are sentient creatures fully able to communicate their feelings. A bit dense at times, but not all of us have degrees from Harvard and anyway hobbit fur is extremely pungent when smouldering.

YEA!!! what He said!!!!
Burning Hobbits NOT GOOD!!!

**Squiffy** · October 14th, 2011, 11:50

I think som eof the .air flight models have too high a damage sensitivity on the contact points for langing gear and such. I found this working on the MkV Spitfire a few yeas back. It may work out by the book as far as meters per second but I don't think the sim world is that accurate to hold to. You need to adjust for realism in game. Maybe we can edit the .air file and see? I recall having similar difficulties. Look for wind direction too and land into it. You can almost hover in some of the Spitfires.

**hairyspin** · October 14th, 2011, 12:26

Originally Posted by Squiffy

I think some of the .air flight models have too high a damage sensitivity on the contact points... Maybe we can edit the .air file and see?

Hello Squiffy, good to hear from you! The contact points are in the aircraft.cfg - you'll find the damage settings there. This is from one of the stock Spits showing the first two points: Class is 1 for wheels and the figure to change is the fourth one in each line for the gear - it's vertical speed limit in feet per minute. For HH, best make this half a million....

Code:

[contact_points]
 //0  Class
 //1  Longitudinal Position        (feet)
 //2  Lateral Position             (feet)
 //3  Vertical Position            (feet)
 //4  Impact Damage Threshold      (Feet Per Minute)
 //5  Brake Map            (0=None, 1=Left, 2=Right)
 //6  Wheel Radius          (feet)
 //7  Steer Angle           (degrees)
 //8  Static Compression           (feet)  (0 if rigid)
 //9  Max/Static Compression Ratio
 //10 Damping Ratio          (0=Undamped, 1=Critically Damped)
 //11 Extension Time          (seconds)
 //12 Retraction Time          (seconds)
 //13 Sound Type
 //14 Airspeed limit for retraction (KIAS)
 //15 Airspeed that gear gets damage at (KIAS)

point.0=1,-29,0,-2.7,2165.354331,0,0.35,180,0.26,1.5,0.5,0,0,0,140,150
point.1=1,-8,-2.85,-7.1,2165.354331,1,1,0,0.497608,2.5,0.82308,6,6,2,140,150
etc...

Also check the last entry for "Airspeed that gear gets damage at (KIAS)" - the first line especially is for the tailwheel and it could certainly stand more than 150 knots IAS: it was a fixed wheel!