SOH Team Project - Grumman Tracker, Trader, Tracer

[Milton Shupe]

Thank you Duckie; I will take me one of them blue boys :-) Beautiful work, again!

[Duckie]

Hey Milton, that worked like a champ! I never noticed the "Select item..." commands before you posted that screenshot. I left "Shift+E" in the "Select exit" command and entered "2" in the "Select Item 2" command and I was good to go. Voila, bomb doors pop right open. Thanks again for your help.

That's great news, TARPS! Glad you got it worked out.

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" Today, 00:56Milton Shupe
I understand your frustration. Here is what I do to get around the key sequence issue.
I just assign the select item 2 to a different key sequence to avoid the delay."
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Milton thanks for the suggestion. I will definitely set up that alternate in my key file.


Steve

[Duckie]

I see the Dutch navy returned the rear part of the rudder.

Thanks very much Steve for another masterpiece!

Cheers,
Maarten

--Unlike my brother who still has my hedge clippers he borrowed last summer!!

You're welcome Maarten. Glad you like it.

--Thank you Milton. And thanks for the great mapping job. Makes painting the "Grumman 7" a real pleasure.

Steve

[SSI01]

SSI01, when you have a spare moment please do me a favor and check your S2F-3 and see what happens when you hit Shift+E+2.

Shift+e = main exit door + ladder deploy/retract (rather smartly, too)
Shift+e+2 = nothing
Concord nose visor button on joystick = MAD boom + belly radome + pole antenna on underside extend/retract

Here's a photo of the aircraft I used:




BTW I don't have a texture for the belly radome on my S2F-1, it's plain dark grey.

[SSI01]

Guess it would help if a 2nd exit were listed in the config file - now no problems w/shift+e+2.

I have noted something else peculiar, though -

I can press shift+e and the main exit opens/closes; I can also press shift+e+1 and the same main exit opens/closes. Is there possibly some ramification of this that is confusing the TF-104s re: which canopy to open when shift+e+2 is pressed?

[Milton Shupe]

Guess it would help if a 2nd exit were listed in the config file - now no problems w/shift+e+2.

I have noted something else peculiar, though -

I can press shift+e and the main exit opens/closes; I can also press shift+e+1 and the same main exit opens/closes. Is there possibly some ramification of this that is confusing the TF-104s re: which canopy to open when shift+e+2 is pressed?

Shift+e is the same as shift+e, 1.

Shift+e, 2 say select item 2. (you must release shift+e, before hitting 2)

You can help yourself fight the MSFS issue but reassigning the key sequence so it does not depend on the pause between shift_+e and 2. If any event (like a streaming controller not quite centered, or toe brakes held on, or any repeat event) interrupts the pause between shift+e and pressing the 2, it will not work.

It is best to reprogram that key sequence as I posted above on previous page.

[Duckie]

BTW I don't have a texture for the belly radome on my S2F-1, it's plain dark grey.

Hi SSI01, which S2F-1 are you referring to? If it is the Dark Sea Blue VS-36 version, the radome was "unpainted" or with a sealant which allowed the natural color of the Fiberglas housing to show. It is the same color as the AEW radar housing atop the fuselage aft of the cockpit. This was true with many of the earlier -1s. Some were later painted to match the DSB color when they went through depot maintenance. So, "grayish brown" is the correct color for this model.

Note: my latest repaint of a VS-20 Stoof is that same color radome, which according to photographs is also correct.

Regards,

Steve

[vonernsk]

Milton,

Love your Grumman 'Stoofs'. Have noticed on your recent S-2F1 model that there appears to be a clear area on the leading edge of the port wing that looks very much like a wing-light cover. No lights appear from this area. Perhaps it forms some other function?

Rgds
and thanks again
Mal

[Milton Shupe]

Milton,

Love your Grumman 'Stoofs'. Have noticed on your recent S-2F1 model that there appears to be a clear area on the leading edge of the port wing that looks very much like a wing-light cover. No lights appear from this area. Perhaps it forms some other function?

Rgds
and thanks again
Mal

Interesting question. After looking through many pictures and drawings, I finally found the answer. It's actually quite embarrassing at this point. :-)

Unfortunately, my 3-view drawings did not show this light and only 3-4 pictures I have show it with any clarity. My apologies.

[fliger747]

Amazing, hadn't heard of that earlier. If I run into a friend who was a LSO, will ask him about it!

T

[Duckie]

Milton,

Love your Grumman 'Stoofs'. Have noticed on your recent S-2F1 model that there appears to be a clear area on the leading edge of the port wing that looks very much like a wing-light cover. No lights appear from this area. Perhaps it forms some other function?

Rgds
and thanks again
Mal

Hello Mal, if I may, I'll respond to your question. With regard to the E-1 Tracer and the S2F-1 Tracker, which are the ones I provide the original textures for, the lens to which you refer is "painted" on. It appears on all variants and I have seen it identified as a landing light, as well as signal lights. I have a close up of a CS2F lens which appears to have three lights under the lens.

Anyway, my reasoning for including the lens was that anyone who wanted could add a light(s) at this location if they chose to. And, even if no light is added, the lens gives the correct appearance for the model.


Regards,

Steve


Edit: Milton was just too quick!

[SSI01]

Shift+e is the same as shift+e, 1.

Shift+e, 2 say select item 2. (you must release shift+e, before hitting 2)

You can help yourself fight the MSFS issue but reassigning the key sequence so it does not depend on the pause between shift_+e and 2. If any event (like a streaming controller not quite centered, or toe brakes held on, or any repeat event) interrupts the pause between shift+e and pressing the 2, it will not work.

It is best to reprogram that key sequence as I posted above on previous page.

OK Milton, will pick a single key rather than a combo to assign to second event. Problem, a minor one to be sure, will be to remember that single key when I want to open the subpanels for some aircrafts' main panels.

[SSI01]

Hi SSI01, which S2F-1 are you referring to? If it is the Dark Sea Blue VS-36 version, the radome was "unpainted" or with a sealant which allowed the natural color of the Fiberglas housing to show. It is the same color as the AEW radar housing atop the fuselage aft of the cockpit. This was true with many of the earlier -1s. Some were later painted to match the DSB color when they went through depot maintenance. So, "grayish brown" is the correct color for this model.

Note: my latest repaint of a VS-20 Stoof is that same color radome, which according to photographs is also correct.

Regards,

Steve

Thanks, I already found the VS-20 scheme and am fixing to install it shortly. Will use the radome texture from it in the VS-36 one.

Question - obviously, S2F-1s had the football above the cockpit, S2F-3s didn't - what was the purpose of that upper radome? Was it for air search in front of the aircraft, the lower radome being for surface search?

[Duckie]

Thanks, I already found the VS-20 scheme and am fixing to install it shortly. Will use the radome texture from it in the VS-36 one.

Question - obviously, S2F-1s had the football above the cockpit, S2F-3s didn't - what was the purpose of that upper radome? Was it for air search in front of the aircraft, the lower radome being for surface search?

Your last question contains the answer to your first question! ;-)

Btw, the VS-20 radome is the same as the VS-36.

Cheers,
Steve

[vonernsk]

Milton and Steve,

Thanks very much for your quick replies. Milton, as usual, has killed the question dead with his attachment. Steve, thanks for including the lights cover and giving us the option to utilise or not.

I have seen fixtures similar to the 'Stoof's' on other USN a/c, the Skyhawk and Phantom spring to mind. What an aid to the stressed out LSO on a heaving slippery deck, blackout conditions and a queue of low-fuel a/c landing on! Quick confirmation of good gear, hook and approach angle.

Love trapping with the Stoof. The flt model is great. Steve, your latest skin for VS-20 is superb.

Again many thanks

Mal