NEW FSX Native 727 -->Thomas Ruth

***thunder100*** · February 10th, 2011, 00:28

Congrats Tom& DANKE

As owner of all FS 727's (my second love to Connie's) and comparing it (Including the CS ones !!

really very well made

Roland

***Bjoern*** · February 10th, 2011, 07:47

Originally Posted by StormILM

I'm not sure if anyone had noticed that the N1, N2, & EGT gauge needles ran high off scale when at full throttle. I ended up going into the gauge pack and adjusting the XML's of those gauges to reflect more of a EPR "limiter" effect on the readings at TO/GA power settings.

POST IT! NOW!

From what I've heard of him posting mods is always okay, as long as credit is given where credit is due.

I also noticed that the -200 model seemed a little underpowered and hit the wall at FL310 with 50% fuel at full thrust.

Early -200s came with the same engines than used on the -100, hence their disappointing performance.

That's also the reason why Boeing offered a JATO package for the early -200 and AFAIK most -200s were upgraded to the -ADV standard later on which brought more powerful engines.

Saw the first repaint today for DHL Cargo. Very nice!

I've started one for the -100 yesterday. The legendary and awesome Saul Bass livery for UAL.

Not sure what to do with the -200 'though. It's going to get the later 1990s gray UAL livery for sure. This leaves the late Saul Bass one with the big titles still for painting. I just can't decide if the -100 or the -200 should get it.

Also, I've set my sights on DAL's late "Widget" livery with the all black nose. And the short lived 1997 one.

And there's still AAL...

Argh! Too...much...to...paint...too...little...time...

**StormILM** · February 10th, 2011, 14:53

Hi Bjoern, I did email Tom the gauges and asked permission just to be safe. The power adjustments in the config I made do reflect the more the upgraded JT8D-17R thrust tables of the -200ADV. When I looked at the config, it was set for 14,500lbst which at the higher gross weight of the -200 @ 209,500lbs was very anemic on takeoff and hit the wall at FL310 or below with a moderate climb profile. The -17R thrust setting in the config did the trick for me but to anyone wishing backdate to -15 & -17 thrust settings will get a bit better performance than the original config settings. I know a couple of retired Captains(Piedmont & US Air) who flew the 72's over their careers and I remember them telling me about the engine upgrades over the years they flew them. They surely liked the ADV's performance & reliability.

This is one great freeware model! I've been flying it every day since release.

**fliger747** · February 10th, 2011, 20:07

I was not unusual to see 727's with a mix of engines. I remember being tossed off the jumseat in Denver one Summer day for "weight"... all 165 lbs.... To turn off the smoke, about the only way with JT8D's that I know of is to pull the fuel control switch to cutoff. The advent of then 737-400 and it's kin, spelled the doom of the 727 for much of any mailine service.

An initial altitude of 310 at a high weight sounds about right. Even the 747-400 taking off at 870000 lbs doesn't like much higher to start with.

Cheers: T

***Bjoern*** · February 11th, 2011, 09:37

Dang, someone beat me to the FedEx repaint.

Gives me more time for cursing at United for not washing their airplanes.

Originally Posted by StormILM

When I looked at the config, it was set for 14,500lbst which at the higher gross weight of the -200 @ 209,500lbs was very anemic on takeoff and hit the wall at FL310 or below with a moderate climb profile.

As I've said: The -200 initially shipped with the -100s engines.

Hence:
http://aviationtrivia.blogspot.com/2...oeing-727.html

(Piedmont & US Air)

Also on my list.

The old logos are a bit tough to come by though.

**fliger747** · February 11th, 2011, 11:23

In the late 60's Alaska (AKA Elastic) Airlines had a whole series of various Alaska theme tails, the Eskimo (from Kotzebue) being only one of the bunch. The Eskimo originally didn't have a smile either!

Cheers: T

***Bjoern*** · February 11th, 2011, 11:37

Originally Posted by fliger747

In the late 60's Alaska (AKA Elastic) Airlines had a whole series of various Alaska theme tails, the Eskimo (from Kotzebue) being only one of the bunch. The Eskimo originally didn't have a smile either!

That Inuit makes the livery awfully hard to paint.

I prefer Wien Air myself. Especially their late, red livery was simple, good looking and straight to the point.

**CG_1976** · February 11th, 2011, 14:48

If someone is up for a req please, First Air still flies the 727C up here in the high Arctic.
http://www.airliners.net/photo/First...%29/0778311/L/

***robcap*** · February 13th, 2011, 02:59

Check this nice video on SimFlight.com
http://simflight.com/2011/02/12/viki...-air-b727-200/

Cheers, R.

**fliger747** · February 13th, 2011, 10:04

Ah yes, First Air, rode on them about two decades ago from Either Ottawa or Toronto to what I will call Frobisher Bay, as I can't spell Igaluit???? Rode on Wein on just about the last revenue flight, SEA-FAI. Still a lot of the old codgers from Wein kicking about up here.

I remember taking the turbojet Flight Engineer exam, which used the 727 at the time. Amazingly the only engineer ticket I hold is for turboprops.....

In the long run, the wing mounted engines worked out better and the 737 had more room for continued development. I still see a lot of 727's flying, marked up in DHL colors etc. All the guys that I know that have flown the 27 gave it high marks.

T

***Bjoern*** · February 13th, 2011, 11:32

Also, TWA:

[YOUTUBE]W_ErZ1nakd0[/YOUTUBE]

I need a stencil for the "globe" from their last livery.

Originally Posted by fliger747

Wein ... Wein

They were called "Wien".

***kilo delta*** · February 13th, 2011, 12:58

Originally Posted by Bjoern

I need a stencil for the "globe" from their last livery.

Can you make one from this.. http://danhealystudios.com/wp-conten...a-design-1.jpg ?

***Bjoern*** · February 13th, 2011, 14:33

Originally Posted by kilo delta

Can you make one from this.. http://danhealystudios.com/wp-conten...a-design-1.jpg ?

No. Also, I refuse to paint the old livery as it came with that widely used butt ugly small black dot on the nose. A typical disease on 1970s liveries. Fortunately most carriers got rid of it later on.

This is the livery I was referring to:

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Trans...Adv/1188842/L/

TWA is still down the road though. Haven't even finished all the UAL paints yet.

**StormILM** · February 14th, 2011, 04:46

Just got an email from Tom and he gave me the green light to upload my modification of his XML gauges for the N1, N2, EGT gauges of the 727 pack. I will be out of position for several hours to get this uploaded but I will get it done later this afternoon/evening in hopes it will be available no later than tomorrow. As I noted before, the change will not effect performance but rather the N1, N2, & EGT gauge readings at higher power settings will be within the max limits listed on the gauges rather than high off scale.

I will post back later when the upload is done.