I bought an "open box" Logitech Force 3D Pro force feedback joystick thinking it might improve my flying experience in FSX. Wrong! I hate this thing. It simply jerks and shakes and feels nothing like flying a real airplane. I downloaded the latest driver for Vista and played with the settings for several days and was never close to being satisfied and went back to my old Logitech Extreme 3D Pro joystick. Has anyone had a good experience with one of these and if so, can you make any suggestions that might raise the level of satisfaction with mine? Thanks!