Conspicuous by Their Absence

**smilo** · May 14th, 2011, 11:31

Originally Posted by Ivan

From what I have seen, very often Payware isn't as good as stuff you can get for free. Perhaps with other simulators things are different? (No, I wasn't refering to planes I built.)

- Ivan.

now, there is a subject for controversy!
you would be surprised how many people
get their feelings hurt
if someone criticizes their work.
ahem, choke, choke...
fortunately, CFS is well beyond it.

as i see it, it's a yin/yang thing,
some are excellent, some are not.
that goes for both, freeware and payware.

to be honest,
i have NEVER bought a sim product
and don't intend to.
as i see it,
there is plenty of freeware to keep me happy.

BUT, and here's the kicker,
as a staff member,
one of the perks has been a few gifts.
for example, Bill, aka, LionHeart,
generously gave me a copy
of his fantastic Epic for FS9.
that thing is a jewel!

so i guess i'm talking
out of both sides of my mouth.

Originally Posted by No Dice

I agree Ivan,
So when is your Stuka scheduled to be released ?

Dave

you are a funny guy

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hey, Ivan!!!
just a thought
how about the how to project plane
being a stuka,
instead of the veltro?
like i said,
just a thought.

***hubbabubba*** · May 14th, 2011, 11:51

hey, Ivan!!!
just a thought
how about the how to project plane
being a stuka,
instead of the veltro?
like i said,
just a thought.

I would venture to say, smilo, that the Ju 87, being filled with nooks and crannies, is not a proper "starter" project. Ivan was looking at relatively smooth curves with a minimum of "bleeding occasions". Starting with the Ju 87 would be like learning piano by playing a symphonic piece on your first lesson.

**smilo** · May 14th, 2011, 13:23

yes, no doubt about it,
but it was worth a shot.
just trying to kill to birds
with one stone.

i would say the stuka as a project
is pretty much analogous
with the German industrial war effort,
great engineering, just too complex.

of course, i'm over simplifying.

**Ivan** · May 14th, 2011, 15:37

Hi Folks,

Hubbabubba explained it pretty well. The Stuka in my opinion is quite do-able using AF99. The problem is that it would not be a simple direct process. I am betting that it would need quite a few rebuilds to be able to finish without exceeding the resource limits.

Besides, I have already done quite a bit of research on the C205 Veltro. I see it as fit for a tutorial, but I don't see this becoming a releasable plane anytime soon.

- Ivan.

**Ivan** · July 20th, 2011, 13:59

Two months and change down the road, the Macchi C.205 Veltro Tutorial is finishing up. Most of the essentials are there. Now it is mostly just detail stuff.

The really funny thing about the choice between the Veltro and the Stuka as a Tutorial subject is that with hindsight being perfect, the Stuka would not have been all that different in terms of complexity. The Stuka may have a lot of pieces, but it is basically all straight lines and hard corners which makes it attractive from a modelling standpoint.

Did I just put "Attractive" and "Stuka" in the same sentence????

- Ivan.

**smilo** · July 20th, 2011, 14:37

ahhh, yes you did...

best be careful what you say,
lest the harpies be released.

btw, excellent job on the tutorial.
thanks

how about another?

**Ivan** · July 22nd, 2011, 14:21

Instead of Harpies, it's "Cry A-20 Havoc and let slip the Dogs of War!"

Regarding the Tutorial, if something is unclear, let me know. The result at the moment is full of bleeds. I believe it is about to get another major re-arranging of pieces. Are you hinting about another tutorial???

The B-26 is one I have wanted for a while.

- Ivan.

**smilo** · July 22nd, 2011, 15:51

ah jeez, that isn't what i meant at all.
but now that you mention it....ahhhooooo

a B-26 would be great,
as would any twin.
but as you've said before,
multis and limited resources=problems

actually, i was hinting at another tutorial,
but i was just encouraging the Stuka comment.

***No Dice*** · July 22nd, 2011, 17:54

Smilo,
I have an old AFX file for a JU87Stuka if you would like to play with it. by Don Incoll ?

As about as hard to find as your going to get.

Dave

**smilo** · July 22nd, 2011, 19:31

thanks Dave,
don't know if or when i can do anything with it,
but you know me, i'm a collector.
please ship it.

just curious, where did you get it?

***No Dice*** · July 22nd, 2011, 20:15

Check your mail my friend. I have others posted in the design section of the FFS.
It came from an old Stuka site that has long since went by the way side.

Dave

**Ivan** · July 23rd, 2011, 04:42

Hey No Dice,

Can you send me a copy also? I am curious.

- Ivan.

**Ivan** · July 23rd, 2011, 05:00

I am having a monster fight with the Veltro at the moment. I spent a couple hours on it last night and am not quite done with the re-arranging yet. I should have picked the Raiden for a tutorial instead. I also installed another Macchi C.205 last night that wasn't bad.

Regarding big twins, I want one finished also but there are too many things going on at the moment. Anyone ever look seriously at the Ki-46 Dinah? That was another hot bird besides the He 219 and Ju-88. As you can probably tell already, I have a great preference for high performance stuff. The Mosquito is an exception because everyone has already built one.

The Stuka is on my build list but isn't high. I already have an unfinished dive bomber that moves pretty well: The SBD-3.

- Ivan.