The Ongoing Mystery Aircraft Thread Part Deux.

**Dev One** · March 31st, 2015, 10:28

Originally Posted by Moses03

Don't see how it could have cleanly rotated on takeoff without scraping up the lower tail.

Hence the little wheels that are fitted?
Keith

**wout** · April 1st, 2015, 00:05

It seems the aircraft did not take-off like the B-52 (nose down) and therefore early in the test programme the u/c wheels were made larger and also (as noted by Keith

) the small auxiliary wheels in the inverted V-tail were sized up.
N9VY is the Burak XF-4 by Stanley Burak. 150hp Lycoming O-320 engine.
Google "NTSB N9VY" to see details on the forced landing in 2000.

OH please, or do we skip to-day?

***Ferry_vO*** · April 1st, 2015, 03:36

Originally Posted by wout

OH please, or do we skip to-day?

Of course not!

Here's something that looks silly enough for today:

**lefty** · April 1st, 2015, 04:46

Hi Ferry !

How about the NIAI-1P from Mother Russia ???

***Ferry_vO*** · April 1st, 2015, 04:53

Of course honours go to the Scotsman! The NIAI-1 Fanera-2 (Interesting: Fanera, according to Google Translate, is Lithuanian for 'Plywood'..) from Russia it is!

**lefty** · April 1st, 2015, 11:01

Thanks Ferry - don't know about plywood - think this one was made from all sorts of odd scrap - however some of the regulars here are unduly partial to twin-boomers, so have at it !

**pomme homme** · April 1st, 2015, 11:25

Ah, it's the Tawney Owl, G-APWU, built at Stapleford Tawney by Thurston Engineering. It overturned on its maiden flight in 1960 and was then put into storage. However the major components of it are reputed still to exist, albeit in different places.

**lefty** · April 1st, 2015, 12:08

Originally Posted by pomme homme

It overturned on its maiden flight in 1960

According to Jane's, 'failed to gain height following its first take-off and sustained damage in the resultant precautionary landing'. That's a nice euphemism for a crash....

Over to you, PH...

**pomme homme** · April 2nd, 2015, 01:57

Here's an elegant, but powerful, beast, of which a precise identification is sought!

**lefty** · April 2nd, 2015, 07:13

Is the tail being supported by stacked upturned flowerpots, or what ???

Looks like one of those hot Caudrons - C660 ?

**pomme homme** · April 2nd, 2015, 07:35

You're close, but your number's too low!

And I thought it to be an oil drum - but they could be flowerpots. Flobbalob, ickle weed!

**lefty** · April 2nd, 2015, 07:46

It's those elevator counterbalances that are bugging me, PH........

**pomme homme** · April 2nd, 2015, 08:01

It appears that some had them and some didn't...........

**Dev One** · April 2nd, 2015, 11:04

Limited data & photos on the web, but if it is a Caudron it could be a Caudron-Renault 714 with fixed undercart & no armament - thats judging by the stbd pitot head & elevator mass balances - the 690 appears to have an underwing one.
Keith

**Baragouin** · April 2nd, 2015, 11:05

Originally Posted by pomme homme

Here's an elegant, but powerful, beast, of which a precise identification is sought!

Talking about Caudron I would opt for a C-690 in view of the pronounced wing dihedral and tail counterbalances...
Cheers
BG

PS and if DevOne is right I'll be screwed again by one minute! "oh destino crudele!" (oh cruel destiny!)

**pomme homme** · April 2nd, 2015, 12:26

Apparently it is the C.690. I believe this to be a photo of one of the civilian C.690s, which seem to have had elevator mass balances fitted, as opposed to the military C.690/Ms, which seem not to have done so. Or at least that was the informed consensus on the French forum from which I filched this photo! So, Baragouin, you can say to Dev One: c'est à moi, aujourd'hui!

**Dev One** · April 2nd, 2015, 23:07

I think I have found further proof of it being the 690 in this photo of F-AOLM, it has the stbd pitot head & elev mass balance.
Keith

**pomme homme** · April 2nd, 2015, 23:55

That photograph appears to be pretty conclusive evidence, Keith. So we await Baragouin......

**Baragouin** · April 3rd, 2015, 05:53

Originally Posted by pomme homme

That photograph appears to be pretty conclusive evidence, Keith. So we await Baragouin......

Thanks boys and girls!
Let me apologize for the delay but my telephone lines went berserk for several hours......anyway here's my next mystery which I don't think having been shown before on this esteemed forum

Cheers
BG

***Moses03*** · April 3rd, 2015, 07:05

Hi BG. I believe you have posted a Baumer B.III.

http://www.histaviation.com/Baumer_B...lsterwind.html

**Baragouin** · April 3rd, 2015, 14:03

Originally Posted by Moses03

Hi BG. I believe you have posted a Baumer B.III.

http://www.histaviation.com/Baumer_B...lsterwind.html

Spot on my friend!

This is indeed the Bäumer B-III "Alsterwind"...your turn please
Cheers
BG

***Moses03*** · April 3rd, 2015, 19:47

Thanks BG. Sorry for the late reply, been out all day and just got home a little while ago.

Here is a nice looking sport job to consider. Does the aeroplane in the background help at all?

**Green** · April 3rd, 2015, 23:08

Quick stab - purely based on the tail shape - something from Inland?

**pomme homme** · April 4th, 2015, 03:31

The very photograph of this Inland Sport is to be found at http://www.dmairfield.com/airplanes_type/inland/.

***Moses03*** · April 4th, 2015, 13:06

Okay, considering this was a bit difficult with no photo at Aerofiles, I'm going to give the nod to Green.

Nice detective work based on the tail only!

The link PH posted takes us to a much nicer photo of the one and only Inland W-600 of 1929-30. Curious that PH's link calls it "Unidentified Inland Aircraft, Kansas City Municipal Airport, 1929".