The Ongoing Mystery Aircraft Thread Part Deux.

[lefty]

. Handled like a wet pig

Most of the pigs of my acquaintance fly quite beautifully ( see avatar........)

[srgalahad]

Most of the pigs of my acquaintance fly quite beautifully ( see avatar........)

I'm not sure... it looks more like an attempt at a hover, not true flight. I am sure about the Arnoux, and the naming options as I was prepared for either 'nomen'. It does appear that the "-avion" was unpowered while the "-plane" was fitted with a 'moteur propulsif",
http://www.ctie.monash.edu.au/hargrave/arnoux.html

Arnoux was quite taken with the tail-less concept, making several. While none found glory, they began a trip down a road that eventually led to the B-2 so I suppose he deserves some recognition.
I picked up a fine bottle of Calvados while in France , so here's a wee glass for you

[lefty]

Thanks Rob - a wee Calva is always welcome, although I have to say we have been celebrating the Boss's birthday with a fairly moist lunch in St Andrews. The restaurant specializes in designer gins........hic. (we took the bus)

Here's a conventional-looking machine which may not be so familiar - get in quick or Wout will be all over it !

[pomme homme]

Something tells me that it's Italian ........? (the question mark indicates my degree of confidence).

[Ferry_vO]

From all the info collected sofar on the Icelandic mystery (or the lack of info?) it is clear to me that the first SOH member making a trip to Iceland, is now officially obliged to go on a fact-finding mission to the museum to satisfy the SOH`s need to unearth all about the JFP-2S-8.
Have a nice trip

We had plans to go this year, unfortunately it is somewhat expensive at the moment. Texel should be nice too, and there's a small aviation museum as well. ;-)

[lefty]

PH, this one is not Italian.

[pomme homme]

Well, there goes my Aermacchi/Chrislea theory!

[Moses03]

Looks like one of those myriad of French acronym jobs...

[lefty]

Not French either. But it is European. From a manufacturer better known for aircraft of the engineless variety.

[darrenvox]

Is it something from auster😳??

[lefty]

Not an Auster, darrenvox - one more clue - this has a Walter Minor motor. (and I bet Walter Major will give us the answer.....)

[wout]

Hi Mike
There is something Italian in the name (depending on what language you speak).
The Schempp-Hirth GS6 Milan from Germany
Fixed main wheels, retractable nose wheel. First flown 1958

[lefty]

That's the one, Walter.....

(oddly, I think Milan in German is Mailand ? And the one that really used to confuse me - Munich in Italian is Monaco !)

[pomme homme]

Ah well, I take some comfort from the fact that I perceived an Italian connection - albeit rather tenuous!

And the one that really used to confuse me - Munich in Italian is Monaco !)

Now that has its history with the Ferrari factory in Maranello. Many years ago apparently several senior Ferrari managers were told to attend a meeting with BMW representatives in Munich. The Germans attended the meeting but none of the Italians were there. Instead they were tracked down to the Casino Monté Carlo. When Enzo Ferrari berated them as to this, they claimed that they'd been told to go to Monaco rather than to Munich .....!

[wout]

That is why I limit myaelf to my native tongue and (my sort of) english.
This one was not flown in this form (V-tail), but the standard version did!

[Baragouin]

Well Yes Pomme-Homme that's quite a laughable matter but I do confirm that "Monaco" in italian applies to both "Muenchen" (in Germany) and "Monaco" (Principauté de....).
Cheers
BG

[pomme homme]

I wonder if there's a common etymological root?

[wout]

The V-tailer is European. The normal tailed production variant entered limited production.

[wout]

The production aircraft had one of my M601 engines

[lefty]

That did it, Walter. It's the original design for the Myasishchev M-101.

[wout]

Hi Mike, that is the one
Started as M-70 Ghzel project by MAI, then became Myasischev`s M-101 Ghzel. Ideas on how she should like included the V-tail (only mockup built) and engines considered included the M-14P radial and Lycomin`s IO-540. In the end the M601 turbine won (as M-101T). I think production of the M-101T reached some 25-30 max.

Looking forward to your week-end mystery!

[lefty]

We're all used to the idea of drones everywhere nowadays - thankfully none seen in these rural parts to date !

But what about this full-size version, going back nearly 50 years ????

[wout]

Hi Mike
Be happy you live in a rural area.
I think this is where a drone-pilot should be when he chooses to fly near airliners or police helis etc.

[lefty]

Walter, I think you should reveal...

[wout]

Hi Mike
The (single-seat) WGM-21 by Aerotechnik Entwickelungen & Apparatenbau GmbH. She is now in the Bückeburg Helikopter Museum.
Tested 1968/1969 (probaly tethered test only) and 54hp BMW-700 engine
Planned s-b-s two-seat WGM-22 with enclosed cabin/fuselage only built as mock-up