The Ongoing Mystery Aircraft Thread Part Deux. - Page 543

Thread: The Ongoing Mystery Aircraft Thread Part Deux.

  1. #13551
    No takers?

    (I think I found it, but I would like to have an independent confirmation/view)
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    gX

  2. #13552
    Have never seen it before and don't have any ideas what it could be at the moment. Not too much to go on other than a 3-cylinder radial and I struts.

    (The fellow looked Italian and the aircraft has a European feel to it).

    Another clue might be that most of those "mystery" photos generally are aircraft from the USA which would shoot my Euro theory all to hell.

    That is all I have without further prompting.

  3. #13553
    Thank you Moses03. I shall declare OPEN HOUSE now!

    The picture is from the EAA Vintage Airplane Magazine.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails VA-Vol-27-No-6-June-1999.jpg   VA-Vol-27-No-9-Sept-1999.jpg  
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  4. #13554
    Browsing Aerofiles for “midget” biplanes I found:

    Van Cleave
    William Van Cleave, Love Field, Dallas TX.
    1928 = 1pOB; 35hp Lawrance; span: 21'0" v: 85/65/30-35. Midget biplane.

    The engine in the pic indeed ressembles a Lawrance L-3. Therefore, I would go for the Van Cleave 1928 Biplane. However, if the photo were taken as late as 1942 it could well be something else.

    open house please
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    Not a homebuilt and limited production.
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  6. #13556
    GX- While your theory is a good one, I have a feeling that the stubby biplane might be something else. I have to wonder how it would have flown out to the west coast to end up in Belmont, CA.

    I did some digging to find out that Mr. Van Cleave (Actually spelled as Vancleave), had a manufacturing business on or near Love Field in Dallas and was credited with flying an "ultralight" over Dallas circa 1928.

    http://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/vancleave/539/

    Now using the word ultralight from the 2004 post above can be taken loosely of course. All that said, I am going to look through some period Dallas newspapers to see if I can unearth a photo.

    The Abilene Reporter also documented his flight from November 1928:
    https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/31096598/







  7. #13557
    Okay, I just found a snippet from a Vol 5 1928 Aeronautical Industry periodical that has the Vancleave machine outfitted with a 35 hp 2-cylinder engine and weighing in at 435 lbs.



    If we are to trust this source then all bets are off I would think. Truly an ultralight after all!

  8. #13558
    Quote Originally Posted by wout View Post
    Not a homebuilt and limited production.
    An Aeromot AMT-600 Guri, perhaps?
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    Hi guriXX
    Very correct, Sir.

  10. #13560
    Quote Originally Posted by Moses03 View Post
    If we are to trust this source then all bets are off I would think. Truly an ultralight after all!
    Thank you Moses03,

    it seems that Pete Bowers' mystery plane remains a mystery.


    What about this, then?
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  11. #13561
    I have tried to track this one down before but without luck. It is attributed to a Don Berliner?
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  12. #13562
    is somebody out there to shed some light on it?

    otherwise: open house
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  13. #13563
    To put the Vancleave airplane to rest, I did indeed find a photo from the 11-1-1928 edition of the Dallas Morning News. (Vancleave or Van Cleave? Seems to be spelled either way).



    Maybe should have saved it for a future mystery plane.

  14. #13564
    Here is one that came along the same time as the above biplane. Completely unrelated though.


  15. #13565
    Thank you Moses03 for the true Van Cleave Biplane from 1928!

    Here is some aftermath with respect to my previous plane:

    Aerofiles calls it an ERCO 191-A and summarizes the state of research (and doubts!) by 2002: http://www.aerofiles.com/_e.html
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    gX

  16. #13566
    Good find gX on the Erco. I don't know how we overlooked that entry at Aerofiles!

  17. #13567
    I only searched for "Don Berliner"
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  18. #13568
    By the way: Would you be ready to give some clues for your latest "Spirit of St. Louis alike".
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    gX

  19. #13569
    From a small company. This was their second and last design of which two were built.

  20. #13570
    From the Midwest. It's name is partially derived from the city it was built in.

  21. #13571
    According to your description, there is a good candidate in Aerofiles:

    Ohio Aero Mfg Co (pres: Judd Yoho), Youngstown OH.

    Youngster 1928 = 2p Airmaster with 60hp LeBlond 5D; length: 19'9" load: 200#. Side-by-side seating. First tried with 60hp Anzani. $2,375; POP: 2, [7200] c/n A-3 and [X7872] c/n AY4-4, also first as a student project, but advertised in aviation magazines of 1928.

    Unfortunately, an illustration in Aviation Week 1928-05-14 looks different to yours (but that one might as well show the Airmaster Coupe, perhaps).
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  22. #13572
    That is the one gX.

    I'm pretty sure the illustration you are referring to is the Coupe.

  23. #13573
    Here is something less exotic:
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  24. #13574
    Ah, the Gowland Jenny Wren, G-ASRF. If my memory serves me well, a bespoke fuselage mated with Luton Minor wings. What became of it?

  25. #13575
    pomme homme have a

    Arthur W. J. G. Ord-Hume wrote in 2013:
    “Characterised by its excellent finish and extensive cabin glazing, the Jenny Wren was a popular visitor to many PFA rallies in the 1960s and, although no longer flying, is believed to survive in store.”
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    gX

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