The Ongoing Mystery Aircraft Thread Part Deux.

**dan_pub** · October 5th, 2015, 22:10

Lefty's mystery looks a lot like K1947, the Westland-Hill Pterodactyl Mk4.

**lefty** · October 5th, 2015, 22:50

You got it, Dan...

**dan_pub** · October 6th, 2015, 00:18

Thank you, Lefty.

Here is a lawnmower-cum-chicken coop:

Why does it attach the image twice?

**lefty** · October 6th, 2015, 00:47

Don't know why, Dan - seen a lot of this happening - is there a reason, though, that you have posted a negative ????

**dan_pub** · October 6th, 2015, 01:18

On my system, the machine is more visible that way.

***Moses03*** · October 6th, 2015, 13:58

Okay, floundered a bit and then got the bright idea to count up the rotors (20). Did a search for "early helicopter 20 propellers".

Eventually tracked down the Kimball effort of 1908. It did not fly!

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(Wilbur R) Kimball Aircraft Corp, Naugatuck CT.</small>

1908 = 1pOH; 50hp Aero & Marine; rotors: 4'0". Empty wt: 112#, gross wt: 600#. Kimball had the bizarre belief that a large number of small rotors would be lighter than one large rotor of the same total disk area. Thus his helicopter had no less than 20 rotors covering an area of 320 sqft, belt-driven by the single motor. Drive system problems developed, not surprisingly, and the framelike machine never left the ground. It was later destroyed in a fire.

**dan_pub** · October 7th, 2015, 01:27

Yes Moses, this is Wilbur R. Kimball's contraption. I have it as 1909, but it's probably the same.

Congrats and over to you.

***Moses03*** · October 7th, 2015, 08:19

I have a soft spot for those odd early designs.

Here is a sturdy ship. Of course it's American, look at all the telephone poles!

***Moses03*** · October 8th, 2015, 03:52

1932 design with a variable camber wing.

**pomme homme** · October 8th, 2015, 13:10

Well, I've run up the white flag!

**Dev One** · October 8th, 2015, 22:47

And I've thrown the towel in!!!
Keith

**lefty** · October 9th, 2015, 00:41

Well France has surrendered en masse, Italy and Holland are sleeping, so it's

Ecosse to the rescue ! It's the Boyd Model C.

**pomme homme** · October 9th, 2015, 00:48

Should I change my pseudonym to pétain homme?

***Moses03*** · October 9th, 2015, 03:55

(1) point for the Scotsman.

Final standings on the Boyd C:

Scotland 1
France 0
Italy N/A
Holland N/A

BTW- Where has Green been?

**wout** · October 9th, 2015, 04:52

Hi Kevin

Italy and Holland opted not to reply. We are already in the play-offs! You could have made it easier by leaving the registration on.
What I mean to say is that I never heard of the Boyd C.

**pomme homme** · October 9th, 2015, 06:34

..... and my best guess was that it was the overweight lovechild of a Nord NC.854 and a Junkers F.13!

**lefty** · October 9th, 2015, 08:30

Originally Posted by pomme homme

..... and my best guess was that it was the overweight lovechild of a Nord NC.854 and a Junkers F.13!

To which someone had attached a pair of Lysander wings.....

Anyway, enough of this badinage, back to the serious stuff. Here's one for them wot likes trimotors -

***Moses03*** · October 9th, 2015, 20:25

This looks like part of the Breguet Br 393 family. Not sure though as I can't find a photo of any that are uncowled.

**Dev One** · October 9th, 2015, 22:41

And nothing shows up doing a google for a sesqiplane with 3 engines either.....

Keith

**lefty** · October 9th, 2015, 22:48

Well, as I am a magnanimous sort of chap, we'll not quibble, though this is actually the one-and-only Breguet 392T, F-AMOD, used as a freighter by Air France. Unlike the 393's, it had Hispano-Suiza motors.

Over to Texas.

(note this one only partly-cowled, Moses. Must be something to do with the Gallic penchant for disrobing at the drop of a hat............well in most of the movies I've seen anyway.)

***Moses03*** · October 10th, 2015, 10:18

Thanks for the pinch of charity there. Should have dialed it in a bit more.

Originally Posted by lefty

Must be something to do with the Gallic penchant for disrobing at the drop of a hat............well in most of the movies I've seen anyway.)

Hehe. Does Sheona know you are watching these films?

Back to the matter at hand. This obscure West coast twin is sure to be in Wout's crosshairs. Better not wait too long...

**lefty** · October 11th, 2015, 00:27

Perhaps if you backed off a bit with the 'Add Grain' filter............

**wout** · October 11th, 2015, 01:35

Hi Kevin

My best guess is that this really rare one is the Ott Model V-2 (N7755C) of 1966/1967.

**wout** · October 11th, 2015, 08:07

I have doubts about my own answer. The aircraft I mean has a much darker paint scheme (at least on the photos I know of). I do have an alternative reply and that twin comes from the same city!

***Moses03*** · October 11th, 2015, 09:58

It is the Ott. Splendid Walter.

Powered with two Ranger engines. (Mr. Ott is still with us btw, and living in Napa, CA).

Curious though that I lifted the photo from a magazine dated December 1961 so the Aerofile date may be suspect?