The Ongoing Mystery Aircraft Thread Part Deux.

***Moses03*** · June 27th, 2015, 10:15

The image posting site I have been using for a long time has cleaned out it's archives so most of what I have imbedded here is gone.

Trying a new one. (Flickr is too confusing to me!).

**DHC2Pilot** · June 27th, 2015, 20:14

Calling Open House

**lefty** · June 27th, 2015, 23:10

OK, and I can just about i/d Moses' mystery Growler too !

I wondered which desert this Shack was flying over, till I realised No8 Squadron was based at Kinloss, so those are the barren wastes of Aberdeenshire.....

Here's a neat wee flivver which you won't find in Aerofiles -

**lefty** · June 28th, 2015, 14:04

First flew in the '60's - several of these built - the prototype in a monastery !

**wout** · June 29th, 2015, 00:36

Hi Mike

Did not recognize the first photo, but the second one depicts the first I-66 San Fransisco (I-IANN) by Mr. Orlando Ianotto.
It was followed by at least to more I-66s and then the I-66L San Fransisco 2 (I-CAPJ and later I-8112 when re-registered in the ULM class.)
Does your first photo show the I-96 San Fransisco 3?
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**lefty** · June 29th, 2015, 01:36

Hi Walter

here is the source of the first photo - http://www.aeromedia.it/lb1450.html which reveals it as I-8112. According to Wikipedia, there were about 9 built altogether.

The designer was actually Orlando Iannotta, who called it San Francesco after the founder of the Franciscan order - it was built in the Capuchin Friary in Naples ! Over to you sir.

**wout** · June 29th, 2015, 07:32

Thank you Mike

Still a light plane, but somewhat older

***Moses03*** · June 29th, 2015, 07:49

Walter- This is the PZL 12 amphibian, although it never made it to the water testing portion of the program.

**wout** · June 29th, 2015, 09:29

Hi Kevin

Am somewhat disappointed you did not mention is was aka the PZL-H.

PS: Loved your photo of the Shackleton over the Scottish desert.

***Moses03*** · June 29th, 2015, 10:24

Thanks W!

How about this somewhat curious biplane?

**pomme homme** · June 29th, 2015, 23:55

The design is reminiscent of the casualty evacuation aeroplanes (les transports sanitaires) that were relatively common in French military service between the wars. But if it's one of these, it's not one which I know. So it might be a casualty evacuation aeroplane, but not a French one. But then, it may have nothing whatsoever to do with casualty evacuation!

***Moses03*** · June 30th, 2015, 03:47

It is French but not an ambulance plane. That area below the cockpit was for the observer as this was a recon design. Powered by a Hispano-Suiza.

**lefty** · June 30th, 2015, 05:31

I have a feeling that this might be the Weymann CTW-100. I only have a Jane's description of what they called the 100R.BL but it seems to fit the bill !

***Moses03*** · June 30th, 2015, 05:36

And that is a good feeling. A pint for the Scotsman.

**pomme homme** · June 30th, 2015, 08:48

Hmm, I was thrown off the scent by Aviafrance. It contends that the CTW-100 was derived from the WEL-80. Looking at pictures of the latter, I feel that Aviafrance might be stretching a point. But well done, lefty, for following the scent to its lair!

**lefty** · June 30th, 2015, 11:08

Thank you chaps - when the name Weymann arose, I persevered all the more, as I know our Moses has a weakness for this gentleman's off-the-wall designs ! In the course of this research, discovered he was better known as a vehicle coachbuilder.... ah, well.

Here's a tidy line-up of trainers all waiting for some ham-fisted novices to try and keep them in the sky. But where ???

(by the way, it has just taken 15 minutes to upload this fairly small image. Is that OK ?)

**Baragouin** · June 30th, 2015, 11:17

Hello everyone!
I would say Manfred Weiss WM10A....and the location is naturally Hungary....and the registration of the first must be HA-AKB
Cheers
BG

**Baragouin** · June 30th, 2015, 11:20

Originally Posted by pomme homme

Hmm, I was thrown off the scent by Aviafrance. It contends that the CTW-100 was derived from the WEL-80. Looking at pictures of the latter, I feel that Aviafrance might be stretching a point. But well done, lefty, for following the scent to its lair!

I agree with you PH.....now that I can see both pics it is hard to maintain that the CTW100 derived from the WEL80...well Aviafrance mysteries....
Cheers
BG

**pomme homme** · June 30th, 2015, 11:44

Originally Posted by lefty

In the course of this research, discovered he was better known as a vehicle coachbuilder.... ah, well.

I'm thread drifting, but .....

On Sunday I was at an historic motor sports event. One of the entrants was a Marendaz (how many times did I hear : c'est une Bentley, n'est-ce pas?). Have we had one of that old rogue's aeronautical designs here recently?

**Dev One** · June 30th, 2015, 12:24

Yes, there were lots of Weyman bodied cars in the UK in the 30's, not only Bentleys but I believe Rileys also. Typically they seemed to have black leather finished roofs (or is it rooves?). They had a factory in Addlestone near Weybridge I think.
Keith

***Moses03*** · June 30th, 2015, 14:30

Originally Posted by lefty

when the name Weymann arose, I persevered all the more, as I know our Moses has a weakness for this gentleman's off-the-wall designs

Why yes, yes I do. Seems there is always some unknown Weymann project lurking in the cracks of time.

**lefty** · June 30th, 2015, 15:09

Well my Hungarian girls weren't much of a challenge for BG who pounced with deadly accuracy ! Over to Tuscany

**Baragouin** · July 1st, 2015, 01:59

Originally Posted by lefty

Well my Hungarian girls weren't much of a challenge for BG who pounced with deadly accuracy ! Over to Tuscany

Hi Lefty!
My following mystery is certainly too easy for you but maybe the tarpauline will make identification more problematic....
Cheers
BG

**lefty** · July 1st, 2015, 06:33

Well with the 2-blade prop and uncowled motor, I'd say He46C, but all the Hungarian versions I can find are later 46E or K models. Whatever it is, it's a rarity ??

**Baragouin** · July 1st, 2015, 10:49

Originally Posted by lefty

Well with the 2-blade prop and uncowled motor, I'd say He46C, but all the Hungarian versions I can find are later 46E or K models. Whatever it is, it's a rarity ??

Hi Lefty!
In spite of http://www.avia-info.hu/talalat.php?GTA=t111&Oldal=3 stating that she's a D type this is patently wrong as this Heinkel He46 with his twin bladed propeller and uncowled radial Bramo engine is definitely a "C" model.
Therefore on you go Lefty and please surprise us
Cheers
BG