Hurricane Mk I rag wings - Rob?

[ndicki]

Got a bit bored, so I made a start on something I think we might like to see some more of, namely rag-wing Hurricanes. This is still very much WIP, and as it owes a great deal to the one Rob did for ETO/W40 - you can't improve on something that's been done properly, so it's only a question of interpretation and subject matter - I thought I'd better ask before I think of releasing it...

The other thing is - do we know who has the GMAX file for this particular model? It would be helpful if we could add a reflective layer, as well as doing something about that blessed cockpit door which isn't a cockpit door and which shouldn't open when the canopy opens.

Meanwhile:

[hairyspin]

John will know, but wasn't that Mathias's model?

[ndicki]

Mathias improved with it for MAW, and certainly did the original cockpit, but it's actually by Patrick Didier who gave us the Spitfire Mk.I as well. I have no idea though who modified it into the early version with the Watts propellor though.

[gecko]

Ooo, I like this project! As to a reflective layer, if you're using Ankor's shaders (looks like you are) that can be handled entirely by the specular texture.

Getting rid of that cockpit door would be great, and I for one would like to see a solid prop disk modeled rather than the two blades. In real life you don't see individual blades while the engine is running, even at idle.

Nigel, any chance of seeing a Belgian skin out of this project? I think the Belgian ones had four .50cal guns instead of the .303s, which would be a simple change in the .xdp.

[greycap.raf]

I for one would like to see a solid prop disk modeled rather than the two blades. In real life you don't see individual blades while the engine is running, even at idle.

That's purely a texture thing, I think CFS3 in its stock form has the full disc but Nigel seems to be using a modified prop texture. In fact it looks eerily like the one I made for myself a very big lot of years ago.

[Pat Pattle]

I'm pretty sure I still have the PD model albeit modified slightly by Crossram and myself. I don't have any time to fiddle, maybe one of our other modellers? I like the idea of an early model

[gecko]

That's purely a texture thing, I think CFS3 in its stock form has the full disc but Nigel seems to be using a modified prop texture. In fact it looks eerily like the one I made for myself a very big lot of years ago.

With most models that is true, and I have replaced those textures, but on this one the blurred prop actually is modeled with two blades and not a full disk.

[ndicki]

I haven't touched the model in any way, so the prop is "as-issued" - all I've done is a bit of painting!

[greycap.raf]

Well indeed, the model calls for the normal prop_us_brit.dds but how on earth it has been made to look like that is a very good question. It looks like it never transitions from the idle rev texture to the full speed one.

[popsaka]

oooo, I really love the early fabric wing Hurries! ...and an improved spinning prop disc would truly be a welcome fix...
Perhaps using the 4 blade Spit 9...(?) Wouldn't that fix the lame look with the ai 2 blade as well?
And a request: Would someone give me/us a link or some histrionics as to the rag wing mk I's career?
...and thank you Nigel for the start of what could be a great thread!

...oh, and if you're in the mood for painting, you KNOW I'm in the mood to be downloading!
...oh and I do SO agree... that that bleeding cockpit door should never have been modeled to open... AT ALL!
...or at the very least only during a bailout(?)

[ndicki]

Getting there slowly, but still in need of permission to release...

[Bravo/4]

I don't have any Gmax files for the Hurricane, and I never worked on the fabric winged version. Richard Mason did most of the model work for the later Hurricanes for MAW, I don' know if he is still around, last I heard from him he was working on FSX? I'm not 100% sure if he worked on this version Nigel?
Personally I can't see any reason you can't upload?

[popsaka]

Didn't Patrick give okays for the Hurry and the Spit1 a long time ago? It would just be on Richard (?) now...
I have one I think I based on Foute Man's texture...
(and inspiration for the wings from Will Hunter's Yugoslav mk1 in MAW)
Most folks are okay as long as credit where credit is due...
(I never could determine if this one was historically correct.)

[ndicki]

I don't have any Gmax files for the Hurricane, and I never worked on the fabric winged version. Richard Mason did most of the model work for the later Hurricanes for MAW, I don' know if he is still around, last I heard from him he was working on FSX? I'm not 100% sure if he worked on this version Nigel?
Personally I can't see any reason you can't upload?

The only thing John is that it inevitable borrows fairly heavily from Rob's (?) skin for W40, and so it's reasonable to ask. The model itself has been fiddled with first by Winjeel and then by someone else to do the rag-wing version which has the simple radio mast and two-blade airscrew, but I'm not that worried about permission for the model. It would have been nice to see that blasted 'door' closed though.

The only other thing is that as I'm not sure what has already been covered, I don't want to duplicate existing aircraft such as the 85 Sqn aircraft above.

If Rob doesn't answer within a few days - I've PMed him - then I'll upload it anyway.

[popsaka]

Hooray... When you (Nigel) go on one of your painting frenzies I go on a downloading marathon!!
How cool... I never noticed the radio mast

[ndicki]

Hooray... When you (Nigel) go on one of your painting frenzies I go on a downloading marathon!!
How cool... I never noticed the radio mast

Simple HF TR.9 mast as opposed to the sheathed TR.9A - same evolution as on the Spitfire. Quickly replaced in turn by the VHF TR1133 which did not require the long aerial wire from the mast to the rudder, as the aeriel was in the mast itself.

[Bravo/4]

The only thing John is that it inevitable borrows fairly heavily from Rob's (?) skin for W40, and so it's reasonable to ask. The model itself has been fiddled with first by Winjeel and then by someone else to do the rag-wing version which has the simple radio mast and two-blade airscrew, but I'm not that worried about permission for the model. It would have been nice to see that blasted 'door' closed though.

The only other thing is that as I'm not sure what has already been covered, I don't want to duplicate existing aircraft such as the 85 Sqn aircraft above.

If Rob doesn't answer within a few days - I've PMed him - then I'll upload it anyway.

Ha right Nigel I see. Rob works away a lot of the time I'm sure he'll get back to as soon as he sees your PM
As I mentioned I've not been involved with this Hurricane, so no idea who has done what to it, or what schemes have been done?
Yea the door is a pain! Can't Clive nail it shut, he has the source? I got Steve to close the door on the new Spitfire VII, and VIII.

[ndicki]

At least on the Spitfire, the door did actually exist! Ideally, it should be on a separate key from the canopy, as you were supposed to take off and land with the canopy open. Better to have it permanently shut, because when all is said and done, you wouldn't be sitting in it with the door open anyway...

Definitely looking forward to these new Spits! Is there a plan for one with a cut-down rear deck?

[sdsbolt]

Is there a plan for one with a cut-down rear deck?

no, not right away. I have toyed with it though.

[ndicki]

Well, I do hope you'll toy some more! There's a huge gap in the line-up with the late MkIXe/MkXVIe and MkXIVe. Meanwhile, I'm really looking forward to seeing these new ones!

[popsaka]

another thing that gives me a pain in that place one sometimes gets a pain is that well, back when the dinosaurs
still roamed the Earth, there wuz a fellow, Josh Ziebarth "Zuyax" by name who did a gorgeous cut down Spit clipped wing,
a mk IX or XVI, I dunno which...

...which never materialized (ow my head) !! He also did a ski version and who knows what else!!! (the shadow knows )

[gecko]

Yeah, I remember he had a site which showed nearly all wartime variants of the Spit as CFS3 projects. They looked great.

[Pat Pattle]

Yea the door is a pain! Can't Clive nail it shut, he has the source?

The Hurris in the BoB install have the doors nailed shut, and I do have the source files...any of you modellers want a copy? :0)

[ndicki]

Personally, I wouldn't know what to do with it if I did have it, but it's always worth getting hold of source files, so let's have it anyway! Some of those I've been entrusted with have actually ended up becoming decent models. The Blenheim Mk IV and the Curtiss Hawk come to mind... And I've still got Dancat's lovely Kittyhawk, but nobody to finish it off.

[Capt. Winters]

Hi Nigel,

sorry for the late reply, haven't been into SOH for while (cant get into the site from work). The Hurricane Skin is RobH work not mine, he allowed us to use the skins in ETO. I am sure he would not have a problem with you releasing more skins based off his base texture.

again sorry for the late reply, I did read the thread not long after you put it up, but I thought you where directing the question to the other Rob.

regards Rob.