Whatever else, the lightsaber battle in Snokes palace was awesome.....
Whatever else, the lightsaber battle in Snokes palace was awesome.....
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Too bad Disney threw out all the old EU as canon. I would love see Heir to the Empire made into a movie. (Would like to say the entire Thrawn trilogy, but I haven't gotten around to reading Dark Force Rising or The Last Command yet. Pretty sad actually since I read HTTE all the way back in 1993!)
I saw it and liked it. You just have to suspend your sense of disbelief. It is a S. F. fantasy movie. The whole concept of 'humans' in another galaxy is in itself a non-starter. I find them to be an enjoyable 1 1/2- 2 hour escape from reality. I do agree with your last statement.
John
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Seriously - the EU stories would make for an amazing TV series. Starting with The Truce at Bakura and running all the way through The Corellian Trilogy. That's 30ish years of stories that includes some of the best in the series - Thrawn, X-Wing/Wraiths, The New Rebellion... The stories go on and on and on!
Alrighty then.
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See? As with anything, there's a limit to how much BS a viewer is willing to accept.......
More seriously... I liked the movie, but thinking about the films that proceeded it, specifically the original trilogy, what I missed was the joy, hope and innocence of the original films.
More fitting to our current times and mood, (I guess) everything in the new films is a bit dark/grim, and none of the wide-eyed derring do adventure as seen from the eyes of a farmboy (and new audience) embodied by Luke and his initial adoration of Princess (A Princess!) Leia.
Nothing matches the triumphant make-the-audience-cheer destruction of the original Death Star, and the even more triumphant march and medal scene that closed the first movie with a flourish.
If I missed anything in the latter films, its the sense of good-guys-against-truly-bad. Even Ben is all shades of grey.
Accordingly, these new order troops seem like just any ordinary military following orders with the banal evil that blurs and dulls modern day films. When Star Wars is probably at its best is as a full-on black-vs-white fable.
Last edited by HyFlyer; January 14th, 2018 at 11:16.
Hi
I know Star Wars! It's about family...
I have mixed feelings about this movie. Like all Star Wars movies it is packed with non-possible or non-necessary things, but that never really annoyed me. But all previous Star War movies had a main story, and the battle between good and bad was a secondary story line. However this movie didn't really have a main story,but was more a sequence of fragments which didn't really connect or which didn't go anywhere. This could just have been bad editing, but I found it a bit confusing. As a real basic story did not exist the struggle between good and bad suddenly became the main story. And there just wasn't enough story to fill 3 hours.
You could wonder why a group capable of destroying complete planets in a second, needs half a movie to destroy a few left over ships from the rebellion fleet.
Perhaps the next movie will answer some questions I'm still chewing on, but to summarise my feelings about this film: "quite boring for 2 hours and than Luke Skywalker died."
BTW But I did like Rogue One ;-))
Cheers,
Huub
Here's a post I made previously on Strat-Talk, where I posted my long essay about The Last Jedi. I think a lot of the membership here will find my recommendations interesting, especially aspiring writers....
NOTE: Here are two links I think SF/Fantasy fans would find interesting, especially if they want to take a stab at writing this sort of thing. If you think you can do better than The Last Jedi, maybe you're right.
Starfleet Technical Manual
This first link I've posted before. It discusses the way spaceships move in Science Fiction, especially how they sidestep the problems of travelling vast distances between planets in a universe where maximum velocity cannot exceed the Speed of Light. As a practical matter, I think a statement I've heard now from several science fiction writers sums things up: "Spaceships tend to move at the speed of plot." This link is for people who are interested in the technical aspects. If your mother bought you thefor Christmas like mine did, this page is for you. Go HERE:http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/index.php
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...eFictionTropes
This second link presents a list of science fiction and fantasy tropes. Be warned, if you're a nerd you might want to set a cooking timer beforehand to remind yourself how much time is passing while you're reading through this. You can lose hours without realizing it. I feel I can pretty much guarantee you'll recognize almost 100% of this themes and plot points. Go HERE:
Enjoy.
JAMES
"Deserve's got nothing to do with it."
-William Munny
Unforgiven (1992)
My Family saw this a few weeks back but not all at the same time.
I have already seen this mentioned a few times, so my opinions won't be new in this thread.
The Last Jedi was a fun example of a Space Fantasy, after all, that IS what SF stands for right?
As others have mentioned, don't presume you know what's going on or who or what people are just because you have seen every movie and read everything that was ever published about Star Wars. We are now playing by a new set of rules.
Leave your brain at home or turn it off as you would a cell phone at least for the duration of the movie.
If you think and analyze a bit, you are not going to be happy.
Watch this movie as you would a fireworks display.
There are lot of cool things sparking and exploding and they look pretty.
Just like a fireworks display, don't try to read a deeper meaning.
You will probably be disappointed if you do. Remember: Fireworks don't have to make sense.
Just enjoy the show while it lasts.
- Ivan.
P.S. I recently watched the JJ Abrams Star Trek movies. It seems like he has replaced the Warp Engines on starships with HyperDrives and everything ANYWHERE can be reached in a matter of a few hours. ...But at least there are a lot of cool colours and eye candy there too!
My sister is a huge Star Wars fan, and she hated it. She is on crutches ATM, but said if she wasn't she would have walked out of the cinema half way through.
I have been a Star Wars fan for much longer, as I am older, and although I agree with the problems she had with it, I actually enjoyed the new movie. There were many shortcomings, but overall it was an enjoyable movie. I don't think you can get too caught up with the entire Star Wars universe, and just have to take each movie as it comes.
In saying that, I really hope they take some influence from some of the excellent novels that have been written over the years, and keep expanding and re-visiting the story lines.
I think Gary Oldman would play an excellent Grand Admiral Thrawn and Charlize Theron would make an excellent Mara Jade.
"Try to stay in the middle of the air. Do not go near the edges of it. The edges of the air can be recognized by the appearance of ground, buildings, sea, trees and interstellar space. It is much more difficult to fly there".
I'll wait for it to come out on HBO ...
That way I won't feel like I got robbed if I change the channel mid program.
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Snuffy / Ted
"Try to stay in the middle of the air. Do not go near the edges of it. The edges of the air can be recognized by the appearance of ground, buildings, sea, trees and interstellar space. It is much more difficult to fly there".
I find it highly amusing that so many people can get sucked into a debate regarding a highly unimportant subject!
Really people......it's just another 'Fantasy' franchise to generate money with little or no redeeming qualities.
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I think Disney did a good job of transiting from the original (read old) characters to the newer (read young). It was a generational change. They kept the continuity of the story as they moved on to new ground. I think the new movies are faithful to the old, unlike the newer Star Trek movies. My wife and I watched the last three Star Trek movies on DVD. It was like watching Saturday morning comics. No character depth or exploring story line. Nothing but super amped tecno action.
John
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"Try to stay in the middle of the air. Do not go near the edges of it. The edges of the air can be recognized by the appearance of ground, buildings, sea, trees and interstellar space. It is much more difficult to fly there".
It appears it is going to "rain" a bunch of new solo movies featuring most of the characters, including Han Solo, Anakin Skywalker, Yoda, and Obi Wan Kenobi.
Thankfully LucasFilms seems to have enough good sense to not infect the series with a full-length film of Jar-Jar Binks...
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But Jar Jar Bink my Heeeeeeee-Ro!!!!
Meesa feel insulted if he not there!
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