Call for research material... (Fairchild C119G Boxcar)

[Firekitten]

Inside was ready to roll... so I started there...

[tankerguy72]

Really Really looking forward to this! Flew the wings off the FS9 model and always wished for a Native one. Great job so far its in the right hands!

Here are some inside shots of the 119 for ya

[Milton Shupe]

Great progress in a short period of time. This is looking scrumptious.

[zswobbie1]

[QUOTE=Tako_Kichi;993875]After a week's work this is what we have:




Sorry to hijack, but it suddenly hit me..
It will be amazing to have a plane, a Cessna 172, marked as above in red, but marked 'Rudder, Flaps, etc. Our VA mentors & instructs 30 kids a year, & it will be great to have a plane marked with it's parts for them.

[Peg o my heart]

Alas..I didn't know that this such a plane existed, let alone helping research material. Anyway, looking forward to this one

[roger-wilco-66]

This is great to read and see, thanks for your hard work!
Unfortunately, there is no C-119 in any museum near where I live, otherwise I would have planned a field trip to do a photo shooting session for texture mapping or documentary purposes.

All the best,
Mark

[mvg3d]

Inside was ready to roll... so I started there...

Hi Rachael,
Your job is really astounding !!!
A "silly" request : can we hope in an AC-119 (w/jet) and C-119J versions ?

[Tako_Kichi]

A "silly" request : can we hope in an AC-119 (w/jet) and C-119J versions ?

We are making the C-119G model and the jet pack will be configured to hide/display as required. It will be non-functional as FSX does not support multiple propulsion types on a single aircraft.

Both the AC-119 and the J model would require major re-working of the exterior and interior models and at this point we have no plans for them as we have other aircraft in development we need to get finished too.

[Tuor2112]

Manfred made the KC-97L jets effective by tying their use into the nitrous system/WEP I believe.

[Cirrus N210MS]

wow looking great

[roger-wilco-66]

Just FYI, found a nice reference site with walkarounds and all kind of useful information:

http://www.cybermodeler.com/aircraft...-119_all.shtml



Cheers,
Mark

[Tako_Kichi]

Calling aircraft fitters/maintenance guys, we need your help!

Have a look at the image below as we are trying to work out how it works.



We know E and F are ailerons, G is a regular trim tab while we think H is an anti-servo tab.

What we can't figure out is:

1. Do E and F move together and if so why are they split, what purpose do they serve being in two parts?

2. If H is an anti-servo tab then we assume it works in the opposite direction to the aileron to increase back-pressure on the controls.

3. It's not clear in the drawing but if the short push-pull rod on the inboard bellcrank is connected to the inboard aileron then that takes care of the aileron movement for that aileron while the longer push-pull rod transfers the same movements to the outboard aileron. Therefore both move in unison. Is that correct?

Any help would be appreciated as it's very confusing at the moment.

[tankerguy72]

Dont know if you got the pic from here but heres a link

http://warbirdinformationexchange.or...c.php?p=541735

[Tako_Kichi]

Thanks for that, the document I have just has the maintenance manual plates/diagrams but not the accompanying blurb. I saved those images and will try to decipher them tomorrow.

[roger-wilco-66]

I would suppose that the inboard aileron is configured so that it has a smaller movement in respect to the outboard aileron.

The reason for that might be the sheer size of the inboard aileron surface. This thing is almost like a flap. I guess this is also the reason for the trim- and the suspected anti-servo tabs to be located here.



Just my thoughts, I'm not an aircraft designer!


Cheers,
Mark

[AussieMan]

This project has brought back memories for me. I had a 1/72 scale model as a young fella. An Airfix kit from memory.

[mvg3d]

This project has brought back memories for me. I had a 1/72 scale model as a young fella. An Airfix kit from memory.

Hi Aussie,
The model You remember was an Aurora kit, its scale was just a little bigger than 1/72, I remember it had working ramp with a Jeep (?), Italeri had in catalogue a completely new one (1/72) during '80/'90 with also Italian roundels, in the same years Italeri produced also an AC-119 with jet....

[mal998]

Firekitten,
Regarding the jet engine, you might set it up as a third radial engine with nitrous enabled, with an independant starter, throttle, and set of modified gauges that mimic jet engine function. I don't know if the gauges can even be transformed from radial to mimic jet guages but it's worth some thought by a really inventive coder.

[Firekitten]

Everyone needs somewhere to sit...

[DaveB]

I think the areas covered by E thru H are the ailerons and that diagram may be a little deceptive. The inboard section is the flap and everything from that outboard is the aileron.. in one big piece. I've just looked a multitude of shots.. many of them large and at a good angle.. and I can't see anything to suggest the ailerons are split.

ATB
DaveB

[falcon409]

I think the areas covered by E thru H are the ailerons and that diagram may be a little deceptive. The inboard section is the flap and everything from that outboard is the aileron.. in one big piece. I've just looked a multitude of shots.. many of them large and at a good angle.. and I can't see anything to suggest the ailerons are split.

ATB
DaveB

Agreed. I think what appears to be a break is actually an additional interior rib placed for stability.

[falcon409]

lol, and now I'm not so sure!!

[DaveB]

hahahahaha..

Good find Ed. They're very definitely split aren't they!! Thinking about it.. I've an idea the Vanguard ailerons had a convoluted arrangement like this. I was a volunteer on the example (the only example) at Brooklands but I've not been able to get down there since I moved to the Midlands so I should know this but sadly.. the old brainbox aint what it once was
ATB
DaveB

[Daveroo]

i realize this is of no help to you on the project,BUT i remember seeing a C-119 airtanker make a drop in the American river canyon near my home,if you google Auburn Ca,look for the fairgrounds, Gold Country Fairgrounds,then look east to the river,you will see the auburn dam project's visitor parking lot,used to be a large building on stilts at the south eastern side near the dirt,was a great view of the dam project,it had a huge wooden deck,which was atleast 50 feet off the ground ,we were on the deck watching the fire on the El Dorado side of the river,there were still F7Fs fighting the fire when this C-119 dropped over the visitors center and into the canyon and pulled up sharply and made an up hill drop,was pretty awesome,but the reason it stands out as a favorite witnessed drop for me,was all the men,dad and his other fireman buddies talking about how dangerous the C-119 was.i then grew up thinking it was a death trap!!...didnt they call them the "flying Coffin"?

the big parking lot is also where Camp Flint was at one time,well during World War Two,a prisoner of war camp housing German and Italian soldiers from the North African campaign.growing up,i remember several men here who were prisoners there during the war,and one man,was the father of one of dads best friends,an Italian man,after the war John was so inlove with this area he went back to Italy and got his wife and children,twin boys,and brought them back here,one son don has past,but ron is still with us...he has cancer ,as did don,but one of rons meds cost 12 grand a pill,im not lying...$12,000.00 a pill !!,ron has alot of money due to a large and profitable construction company,and has good insurance,,but he still pays $2,000.00 for each.both ron and dan were on the deck with dad and i,the fire was across the river in that county,therefore they werent active on the fire,but there were 4 fire engines in the lot waiting for any spots...

oh god i rambled again...........someone shoot me please........

[falcon409]

hahahahaha..

Good find Ed. They're very definitely split aren't they!! Thinking about it.. I've an idea the Vanguard ailerons had a convoluted arrangement like this. I was a volunteer on the example (the only example) at Brooklands but I've not been able to get down there since I moved to the Midlands so I should know this but sadly.. the old brainbox aint what it once was
ATB
DaveB

I know what ya mean Dave. I took my one and only ride on /in a C-119 in the late 60's on a deployment to Stewart AFB from North Texas, (Perrin AFB). All I can remember is that I hoped it would stay in one piece til we got home, lol.