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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveB View Post
    And the other one.

    USAAF 3rd Bomber Group, early 1941.

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/hwo1jd7q1c...us74b.zip?dl=0

    I second the previous comment!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveB View Post
    DOH!!!
    Cheers Mick I'll fix them.
    Steve
    Steve, they look great! I was trying not to be dogmatic in the absence of color photos, but I knew that couldn't be right.

    John, good eyes; I didn't even see the stripe shortage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick View Post
    Steve, they look great! I was trying not to be dogmatic in the absence of color photos, but I knew that couldn't be right.

    John, good eyes; I didn't even see the stripe shortage.

    No Worries Mick I appreciate the assist. I very rarely paint USAAF.

    Steve

  4. #979
    Downloaded the pre beta, she handles great. Only issue is the fuel, I changed it but it keeps changing back to 26% max LOL. But I am glad to have a great A-20 for FS2004!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NathanT28 View Post
    Downloaded the pre beta, she handles great. Only issue is the fuel, I changed it but it keeps changing back to 26% max LOL. But I am glad to have a great A-20 for FS2004!
    The fuel management seems to have some issues along with other Load Out things. Frankly, I am quite unhappy about the whole thing and will likely remove the Load Out screen and options altogether. The issues detract from the overall project.

    I think we can do better with simplicity. I appreciate everyone's honesty about these things.
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  6. #981
    Flew her last night. Love it. One of if not the best freeware aircraft ever. Everyone involved should be very proud. Thanks Guy's! I'm sure the final version will be amazing.....

  7. #982
    Quote Originally Posted by Milton Shupe View Post
    The fuel management seems to have some issues along with other Load Out things. Frankly, I am quite unhappy about the whole thing and will likely remove the Load Out screen and options altogether. The issues detract from the overall project.

    I think we can do better with simplicity. I appreciate everyone's honesty about these things.
    I like the load out screen, adding the bombs or no bombs, and the guns and such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NathanT28 View Post
    I like the load out screen, adding the bombs or no bombs, and the guns and such.

    I have too agree with NathanT28 I like being able too remove crew members, And with the way I fly I cannot get any In sewer ance to carry passengers or crew.


    Steve

  9. #984

    Havoc - pre beta douglas a-20 release

    Milton,

    I tend to agree with you. This is a great model and really nice flyer. Have always conducted my flt time in small bites between real-world constraints and 'Keep it Simple Stupid' (KISS), has always been my approach during work and operations.

    I am not a perfectionist on mimicking the exact fuel tank config for every model and always simulate ord loads on combat a/c by utilising the 'externaltank1' and 'externaltank2' entries in the fuel config section. Take off loaded with ideal fuel and ord load for the mission. Jettison 'external tanks' before return to base and recovery.

    However, on the other hand, I love the ability to insert or extract crew visually and to add or delete gun-packs and other ord. Am not bothered if deleting the gunner or bombardier does not effect the overall a/c loading as this order of weight loss is not really significant in such a/c. Am quite happy with the ability to get that airborne bounce when the ord is dropped by dropping the external tanks which are easily programmed onto either the keyboard or flt controls setup.

    Perhaps we could have a two pronged approach, with one installation for the fuel and ord adjusters and one installation for simple simons like self, where we are much more into the eye-candy and spend much more time admiring our flights from outside the a/c than is healthy.

    I know that for many of you a lot of the above is heresy, but if you do not state your views they cannot be considered. Whatever is decided, I agree with many of the remarks made so far on this remarkably accurate and pleasing project. This is probably the best free FS9 WWII aircraft produced to date. Thanks to Milton and his band of specialists.

    Mal

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    I have been playing with dirt again, early days yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveB View Post
    I have been playing with dirt again, early days yet.

    That looks great SteveB; really like it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by NathanT28 View Post
    I like the load out screen, adding the bombs or no bombs, and the guns and such.
    Quote Originally Posted by SteveB View Post
    I have too agree with NathanT28 I like being able too remove crew members, And with the way I fly I cannot get any In sewer ance to carry passengers or crew.


    Steve
    Quote Originally Posted by vonernsk View Post
    Milton,

    I tend to agree with you. This is a great model and really nice flyer. Have always conducted my flt time in small bites between real-world constraints and 'Keep it Simple Stupid' (KISS), has always been my approach during work and operations.

    I am not a perfectionist on mimicking the exact fuel tank config for every model and always simulate ord loads on combat a/c by utilising the 'externaltank1' and 'externaltank2' entries in the fuel config section. Take off loaded with ideal fuel and ord load for the mission. Jettison 'external tanks' before return to base and recovery.

    However, on the other hand, I love the ability to insert or extract crew visually and to add or delete gun-packs and other ord. Am not bothered if deleting the gunner or bombardier does not effect the overall a/c loading as this order of weight loss is not really significant in such a/c. Am quite happy with the ability to get that airborne bounce when the ord is dropped by dropping the external tanks which are easily programmed onto either the keyboard or flt controls setup.

    Perhaps we could have a two pronged approach, with one installation for the fuel and ord adjusters and one installation for simple simons like self, where we are much more into the eye-candy and spend much more time admiring our flights from outside the a/c than is healthy.

    I know that for many of you a lot of the above is heresy, but if you do not state your views they cannot be considered. Whatever is decided, I agree with many of the remarks made so far on this remarkably accurate and pleasing project. This is probably the best free FS9 WWII aircraft produced to date. Thanks to Milton and his band of specialists.

    Mal
    Thanks all of you so far for the comments. Fortunately, most of the customized functions work well although not perfect in FS9. I am not yet decided to abandon this in FS9. However, on the FSX/P3D sides, the same cannot be said. So, I am in process to eliminate it altogether there since the author is MIA. I'll await more feedback on issues and allow you to decide to keep or not in FS9. Thanks for your help on this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveB View Post
    I have been playing with dirt again, early days yet.
    looking good Steve! keep 'em coming!

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    Steeped in talent...

    Having downloaded the pre-beta, I'm loving this whole Project!!! :-)

    Absolutely love the paints by Wellis, Huub, and Steve...and they're getting 'dirtier' by the minute.

    Wellis: With that style of "artistic license", you're in for the kill! Kudos!

    Loadsheet window?
    My personal preference would also be with simplicity.
    Most men often say what they think!
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    A gentleman always says what he means!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nigel richards View Post
    Having downloaded the pre-beta, I'm loving this whole Project!!! :-)

    Absolutely love the paints by Wellis, Huub, and Steve...and they're getting 'dirtier' by the minute.

    Wellis: With that style of "artistic license", you're in for the kill! Kudos!

    Loadsheet window?
    My personal preference would also be with simplicity.

    Thank you kind sir. I would also agree on the simplicity side (although those who are using the paint kits might find that contradictory).

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    Quote Originally Posted by wellis View Post
    Thank you kind sir. I would also agree on the simplicity side (although those who are using the paint kits might find that contradictory).
    LOL Good one Wellis
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    Just FYI, Nigel is working on some genuine R-2600 sounds. First cut just received. They sound awesome already in all phases of flight. Looking forward to the finished product Nigel. Thank you very much.
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  18. #993
    If I am allowed a vote as a bystander, please keep the loadout options. Sorry I don't have the skills to aid the effort, but I certainly have the practice, as I go back in MSFS real time to before '98. Many thanks to all who are part of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by downwind View Post
    If I am allowed a vote as a bystander, please keep the loadout options. Sorry I don't have the skills to aid the effort, but I certainly have the practice, as I go back in MSFS real time to before '98. Many thanks to all who are part of this.
    Thank you Downwind; I value everyone's opinion on this. Fortunately, in FS9, most of the load out programming works well so that is a valid option.
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    I must say that the P-70A2 is one of the easiest planes to steer on the ground using differential steering... usually I'm all over the place. Leaves the ground nicely without flaps, the trim settings will take some getting used to, but once set... she's a pussy cat. Looking forward to the new sounds, although the temporary sounds fit the A-20 pretty good IMO. The paint schemes are outstanding, and with all the new superb paints from Huub and Steve... she'll be a keeper for sure.

    More flights scheduled, with the other A-20 models, however the configuration panel didn't some up on it's own when I loaded the P-70A2. Shift-5 brings it up OK tho.... Once the hiccups are ironed out, me thinks this little feature would be worth keeping. Just say'n.

    Excellent so far, my hat is off to the Team at Shupe Industries.

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    Douglas A20 Havoc

    Hallo Milton,
    my home pc is almost shutted down, but as I have still to finish this night and the last night will be tomorrow and than vite vite en bretagne (quick quiek going home to brittany)
    So I could just download but not test the prebeta model.
    But here at work I can follow the discusions.
    Here my point of view:
    a) your self and your friends have put a lot of work, energy and love in the model
    b) also the repainters do a fantastic job so even the rivet counters wouldn't find some thing to critic
    c) the control panel is a very fine idea to adapt every plane to the desired conditions
    d) this is a pre beta release - please would some one tell me which nearly realesed totaly new car would not have "Kinderkrankheiten" (might have a sense like childen problems with health)
    f) this project has begun some considerable time before - so I do not see why to hurry now to finish it.
    g) lets us all let the time needed to find out how to solve the problems and issues
    h) I am in confiance that solutions will be found, not by simplification but by searching
    and by try and error and try again
    At last I would encourage Milton not to fall in the trap of simplification please !
    The ideas are good with the control panel and they should be developed in the way that solutions of the problems will be found
    Miltons works are so pretty, simplification would not honor all the work and love and patiance he puts in them.
    just my little opion
    Yours
    Papi

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    Quote Originally Posted by michaelvader View Post
    Hallo Milton,
    my home pc is almost shutted down, but as I have still to finish this night and the last night will be tomorrow and than vite vite en bretagne (quick quiek going home to brittany)
    So I could just download but not test the prebeta model.
    But here at work I can follow the discusions.
    Here my point of view:
    a) your self and your friends have put a lot of work, energy and love in the model
    b) also the repainters do a fantastic job so even the rivet counters wouldn't find some thing to critic
    c) the control panel is a very fine idea to adapt every plane to the desired conditions
    d) this is a pre beta release - please would some one tell me which nearly realesed totaly new car would not have "Kinderkrankheiten" (might have a sense like childen problems with health)
    f) this project has begun some considerable time before - so I do not see why to hurry now to finish it.
    g) lets us all let the time needed to find out how to solve the problems and issues
    h) I am in confiance that solutions will be found, not by simplification but by searching
    and by try and error and try again
    At last I would encourage Milton not to fall in the trap of simplification please !
    The ideas are good with the control panel and they should be developed in the way that solutions of the problems will be found
    Miltons works are so pretty, simplification would not honor all the work and love and patiance he puts in them.
    just my little opion
    Yours
    Papi
    Thank you Papi for your thoughts and sentiments. I appreciate your input always.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NathanT28 View Post
    Keep it, I enjoy it.
    Thank you Nathan; it is handy to have and I hope to keep it in place for FS9 anyhow.
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    For the FS2004 version, I'm definitely with Nathan. I like the panel and I don't have any real issues with it.

    I haven't been able to test the FSX version yet, as I hardly start up FSX anymore. (I thought I heard somebody mentioning the word "simplicity" here not that long ago..... )

    Cheers,
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