Douglas A20 Havoc

**SteveB** · July 17th, 2017, 18:51

Here is this evening/mornings labours.

**HorusJ** · July 18th, 2017, 05:14

Originally Posted by SteveB

Here is this evening/mornings labours.

Now THAT is pretty!!!

I know which one I will be flying most of the time!

**Blackbird686** · July 18th, 2017, 08:46

Excellent work Steve... as always!

BB686

**SteveB** · July 19th, 2017, 05:34

Thanks guys glad you like them. I got some more time on this one last night.

**Milton Shupe** · July 19th, 2017, 05:53

Originally Posted by SteveB

Thanks guys glad you like them. I got some more time on this one last night.

Steve, I look forward to when we can get this aircraft released and populated with your great liveries. Thank you very much.

**SteveB** · July 19th, 2017, 08:42

Here is a nice cooling winter scheme.

Steve

***wellis*** · July 19th, 2017, 08:44

Originally Posted by SteveB

Here is a nice cooling winter scheme.

Steve

They keep on coming---excellent work Steve! Thank you indeed.

**jamminjames** · July 19th, 2017, 20:47

Just thought I'd tell anyone interested the June issue of AEROPLANE magazine has a database feature on the A-20. Good stuff!

**michaelvader** · July 20th, 2017, 00:39

Hallo friends,
just some minutes ago I have send to this site my 2D panel for the Havoc.
It is based on a bmp done by Gaucho_59.
It is not really finished. I originally did it for the Alphasim Boston III but never finished it.
I now have tried to make it match as possible to Milton's A20. As I doesn't know if Milton will include a 2D panel
of it's own in the final release. If he will do so the topic will be off for me. Otherwise if there will be interest I will continue work on this panel.
For that I nedd that some one will test it and tell me what to change or do better.
I know there is still a lot to do on it.
Please see it just as a prototype
Yours
Papi

**SteveB** · July 20th, 2017, 09:44

That is looking good Michael. I have no idea if the Boston is coming with a 2D panel.
I have a question for the RAF specialists about mission markings carried on RAF bombers. I have only one side image available for my Lorraine Sqn, 1944 paint, and need to know if mission marks where painted on just one side of the forward fuselage or on both ?
Here is what I have so far.

Thanks
Steve

**michaelvader** · July 20th, 2017, 11:59

Hallo SteveB,

I had a look on wp's site,
the only french ac which have the missions painted on the left side is the one I join with this message
all the other frenchies which shows the left side have no mission there
Yours
Papi

**michaelvader** · July 20th, 2017, 12:03

Hallo again SteveB,

I'm waiting for the frenchies A-20
LOL, yours will certainly be better than my "bricolages" (tinkering)
Yours
Papi

**SteveB** · July 20th, 2017, 12:58

Thanks for the help Papi.
I cannot keep you waiting for the French schemes that are done so far, so here are the beta's for two Vichy French schemes.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/i8ucqvl06k..._beta.zip?dl=0

Steve

**michaelvader** · July 20th, 2017, 16:10

Thank you Steve,
they are lokking fine!
Did you had a look on my panel?
I did see that there was about 19 hits. But I do not know if that means also 19 downloade or just had a look on.
As usual I still have any feed back, so I doesn' t know what other people think about.
I had a look on the net and I have seen that there are a lot of different instrument layouts about the A 20's cockpit.
Concerning the repaints, the most difficult part is to have the paintshemes hit at the correct place where are the separation between top and aft and rear parts of the fuselage. Is there a trick ( I will not ask for a catch 22 ) to be correct?
Yours
Papi

**jamminjames** · July 20th, 2017, 17:55

Great French paints! Thanks for sharing Steve.....

**Milton Shupe** · July 20th, 2017, 18:49

Originally Posted by michaelvader

Thank you Steve,
they are lokking fine!
Did you had a look on my panel?
I did see that there was about 19 hits. But I do not know if that means also 19 downloade or just had a look on.
As usual I still have any feed back, so I doesn' t know what other people think about.
I had a look on the net and I have seen that there are a lot of different instrument layouts about the A 20's cockpit.
Concerning the repaints, the most difficult part is to have the paintshemes hit at the correct place where are the separation between top and aft and rear parts of the fuselage. Is there a trick ( I will not ask for a catch 22 ) to be correct?
Yours
Papi

Papi,

19 would be the downloads of your panel package.

You and Gaucho did a great looking panel.

I usually make a 2D panel from a screenshot of the VC when it is done. That way, both the 2D and VC panels look alike and have everything in the same location.

But it is fair to say that your panel would look better than mine. It would just be different than the VC.

I would encourage anyone who flies mainly from the 2D panel to use your package.

Thanks

**michaelvader** · July 20th, 2017, 19:54

good moooorrniiing Milton,
thank you a lot for your kind and encouraging words!
They heaten my heart.
Allright I will continue to work on it.
It will certainly finished later than your final release as I will try to
get as closed as possible to your vc
Do you have a solution to my ecu problem?
As I'm sure that Gaucho also read all the posts here - the most thanks to him to have done the first work by giving us a fine bmp to start on.
And of course to you and your team by giving us your fine birds for fs2004.
Yours
Papi

**Milton Shupe** · July 20th, 2017, 20:14

Originally Posted by michaelvader

good moooorrniiing Milton,
thank you a lot for your kind and encouraging words!
They heaten my heart.
Allright I will continue to work on it.
It will certainly finished later than your final release as I will try to
get as closed as possible to your vc
Do you have a solution to my ecu problem?
As I'm sure that Gaucho also read all the posts here - the most thanks to him to have done the first work by giving us a fine bmp to start on.
And of course to you and your team by giving us your fine birds for fs2004.
Yours
Papi

Papi,

You are welcome Sir. You do very nice work and freely share it.

I went back to read previous posts and I do not see any mention of an ecu problem.
Could you explain it again?

**michaelvader** · July 21st, 2017, 04:51

Hallo, Milton, Hallo friends,

the ecu problem is on my side.
All engine control units I know are vertically, the levers moving from down to the upper end.
On the A20 the whole unit is inclinated to the right as you figured it out on the VC. (sadly not as a gauge)
I tried differend ways to build an ecu like this but allways failed with the levers not showing properly or beeing
hidden by the other levers of the unit
On another version of a A20 2D panel (perhaps for the night fighter version)
I simply did not put an ecu on it. Hmmm not really pleasing me.
Perhaps soe one can find a solution.
Another little detail - on an russian site I found a photo of an russian A20 - it looks to me as if the russians used russian gauges
on their Havocs. That would astonish me a lot due to the mass they had to reequip in a time those planes where urgent to come to the units
Do some one know some thing about this?
In the case of russian gauges I will try to make a special version.
I join a screenie of the other version of the panel
Yours
Papi

**SteveB** · July 21st, 2017, 05:05

Originally Posted by michaelvader

Thank you Steve,
they are lokking fine!
Did you had a look on my panel?
I did see that there was about 19 hits. But I do not know if that means also 19 downloade or just had a look on.
As usual I still have any feed back, so I doesn' t know what other people think about.
I had a look on the net and I have seen that there are a lot of different instrument layouts about the A 20's cockpit.
Concerning the repaints, the most difficult part is to have the paintshemes hit at the correct place where are the separation between top and aft and rear parts of the fuselage. Is there a trick ( I will not ask for a catch 22 ) to be correct?
Yours
Papi

Hi Papi.

I have not had a chance too download your panel as of yet, I have been trying some of that sleep thing. I will take a look tonight.
I am no expert on panels and rarely use them so I hope you can get some better feedback off some one who knows about such things.
As for getting the edges of the paint to match up I normally apply the overall pattern I want, and then spend a lot of time matching the edges one at a time until they meet correctly. This entails taking a close in screen shot of the area I am working on, and counting the pixels I need to move left or right, paint then putting the texture back into the sim and hope they line up ok. If not then I take another screenshot and try again.
On the rear of the Boston the roof texture only covers up to the start of the tail, the rest of the top texture is covered on the side textures.
I hope this makes sense.

Steve

**michaelvader** · July 22nd, 2017, 01:47

Good Morning Milton,

do you have any pictures or drawings of the P-70 radar operators cockpit.
or any doc concerning the equipment for the radar operator?
Also I wonder if the pilot did not have a rador scope on his panel as it was the case for the F7-F or the Skyraiders later.
Yours Papi

***wellis*** · July 22nd, 2017, 06:42

Here are some WIP shots and a status report on VC progress. The pilot's compartment is pretty much done except for a bit of weathering and wear and I've moved on to the bombardier's and rear gunner/radar operator's compartments..getting close...:-)

Note: we have eschewed the the brilliant zinc chromate color in favor of darker and subtle. However, we'll be putting the interior templates out with updated paint kits at the time of final release. So folks can make them as bright as they'd like to in the future. :-)

**Blackbird686** · July 22nd, 2017, 08:05

Looking good, Wellis... Thanks for the update.

BB686

**HorusJ** · July 22nd, 2017, 08:30

Excellent Wellis!

***wellis*** · July 22nd, 2017, 08:32

Originally Posted by michaelvader

Good Morning Milton,

do you have any pictures or drawings of the P-70 radar operators cockpit.
or any doc concerning the equipment for the radar operator?
Also I wonder if the pilot did not have a rador scope on his panel as it was the case for the F7-F or the Skyraiders later.
Yours Papi

Hi Papi,

I know you addressed this to Milton, but wanted to let you know I have looked through the multitude of photos, E$M manual and other sources I have been using for the interior work. I have yet to find anything other than the attached excerpt from the E&M manual on the rear-gunner/radar operator position. This may in part be due to the lack of a surviving Nighthawk example (although I did see a couple of exterior shots from Airliners.net of what looks to be a Nighthawk from a number of years back). I will keep looking, and perhaps Milton has something I missed, but we may be have to fudge a bit. I do have lots of interior shots of the pilot's compartment and instrument panel and none reflect that the pilot had a screen.