Germany Sinsheim Technik Museum

[sepp666]

Hello, I want to share some photos of where i was today with you(sorry for the quality of some pictures - got only my smartphone with me)

[sepp666]

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Finaly, sad to see - the sunken Stuka. She was found in the water at San Tropez.

[CWOJackson]

Taken with a phone or not, they're very good. Nice to see.

[roger-wilco-66]

That's right around the corner from where I live! Great place. Expecially for seeing the Concorde and the Tu-144 right next to each other.

There's another museum in Speyer, also not far.

Nice pics!

Cheers,
Mark

[sepp666]

That's right around the corner from where I live! Great place. Expecially for seeing the Concorde and the Tu-144 right next to each other.

There's another museum in Speyer, also not far.

Nice pics!

Cheers,
Mark

Yes I was there too, also very nice... They belong together...

[Daveroo]

very nice..thank you for sharing..ill never get there so i enjoyed seeing them..thanks...i love armour as well and id love to own that RSO myself...

[TeaSea]

Been to there a couple of times and it was always a treat.

Mark, I used to live in St Leon-Rot, near where A-5 and A-6 intersect.

[sepp666]

Been to there a couple of times and it was always a treat.

Mark, I used to live in St Leon-Rot, near where A-5 and A-6 intersect.

I live at Karlsruhe its also very near to it.

Maybe in the next days i will post some pictures of Speyer. -There they got some nice planes and helikopters like the F-15. F-4, Mi-24 etc.

Speyer also tried to get a hull of an F-14 but the politics of the US did not allow an hull of the Tomcat to be outside of the US in a museum, very very sad... -only because of that no parts of it went to Iran.
I must laugh about that, c'mon if Iran needs parts for maintenance they could easily do it by their own (such stupid idiots they are not...) or get some specialists in their country for money that will do the job.

[dhasdell]

Finaly, sad to see - the sunken Stuka. She was found in the water at San Tropez.

Maybe, but there's another in rather better condition in the same pic. How many museums have two Stukas on display?

[YoYo]

I was too here. VERY, very good museum with many exhibits air & land. I recommend.

http://yoyosims.pl/sinsheim.html

[Geomitrak]

Wonderful photos, Sepp ! Sinsheim has been on my 'museums I must visit' list for a long time.

One thing I've always wondered - and maybe you can confirm or otherwise - is whether the nose glazing on the Ju-88 is reproduction, and whether they got it right. To me, it appears to protrude too far forward. I've looked at as many wartime pictures of the aircraft as I can find, and I've never found anything quite like it. Maybe its a variant I haven't come across, but in all the photos I've looked at, the glazed nose is shorter and more rounded - in as much as a set of large flat panels can be rounded, of course.

Another thing - from your pictures, it seems that the idea that the swastika can't be displayed in Germany is a myth. I've read it can be displayed, but only in a historical context ( as a museum exhibit undoubtedly is ). True ?

Anyway, great pictures.

[sepp666]

Wonderful photos, Sepp ! Sinsheim has been on my 'museums I must visit' list for a long time.

One thing I've always wondered - and maybe you can confirm or otherwise - is whether the nose glazing on the Ju-88 is reproduction, and whether they got it right. To me, it appears to protrude too far forward. I've looked at as many wartime pictures of the aircraft as I can find, and I've never found anything quite like it. Maybe its a variant I haven't come across, but in all the photos I've looked at, the glazed nose is shorter and more rounded - in as much as a set of large flat panels can be rounded, of course.

Another thing - from your pictures, it seems that the idea that the swastika can't be displayed in Germany is a myth. I've read it can be displayed, but only in a historical context ( as a museum exhibit undoubtedly is ). True ?

Anyway, great pictures.

Hi Geomitrak,

i don't know what is the truth about the nose of the JU-88 - this was not mentioned there. Maybe someone at the museum knows this... http://sinsheim.technik-museum.de/en

The German law tells you how to handle the swastika (maybe google translator gives you something usefull, my english is not so well that i could easily translate it for you...):

§ 86
Verbreiten von Propagandamitteln verfassungswidriger Organisationen

(1) Wer Propagandamittel

	1.	einer vom Bundesverfassungsgericht für verfassungswidrig erklärten Partei oder einer Partei oder Vereinigung, von der unanfechtbar festgestellt ist, daß sie Ersatzorganisation einer solchen Partei ist,
	2.	einer Vereinigung, die unanfechtbar verboten ist, weil sie sich gegen die verfassungsmäßige Ordnung oder gegen den Gedanken der Völkerverständigung richtet, oder von der unanfechtbar festgestellt ist, daß sie Ersatzorganisation einer solchen verbotenen Vereinigung ist,
	3.	einer Regierung, Vereinigung oder Einrichtung außerhalb des räumlichen Geltungsbereichs dieses Gesetzes, die für die Zwecke einer der in den Nummern 1 und 2 bezeichneten Parteien oder Vereinigungen tätig ist, oder
	4.	Propagandamittel, die nach ihrem Inhalt dazu bestimmt sind, Bestrebungen einer ehemaligen nationalsozialistischen Organisation fortzusetzen,

im Inland verbreitet oder zur Verbreitung im Inland oder Ausland herstellt, vorrätig hält, einführt oder ausführt oder in Datenspeichern öffentlich zugänglich macht, wird mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu drei Jahren oder mit Geldstrafe bestraft.
(2) Propagandamittel im Sinne des Absatzes 1 sind nur solche Schriften (§ 11 Abs. 3), deren Inhalt gegen die freiheitliche demokratische Grundordnung oder den Gedanken der Völkerverständigung gerichtet ist.

(3) Absatz 1 gilt nicht, wenn das Propagandamittel oder die Handlung der staatsbürgerlichen Aufklärung, der Abwehr verfassungswidriger Bestrebungen, der Kunst oder der Wissenschaft, der Forschung oder der Lehre, der Berichterstattung über Vorgänge des Zeitgeschehens oder der Geschichte oder ähnlichen Zwecken dient.
(4) Ist die Schuld gering, so kann das Gericht von einer Bestrafung nach dieser Vorschrift absehen.

[Geomitrak]

Thanks for that Sepp...I'll get Google translator on it, as you suggest.

[roger-wilco-66]

I live at Karlsruhe its also very near to it.
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WOW! I also live in Karlsruhe (Nordstadt). Maybe we should meet at the "Pinte" and have a few Guinness :-)

Cheers,
Mark

[sepp666]

WOW! I also live in Karlsruhe (Nordstadt). Maybe we should meet at the "Pinte" and have a few Guinness :-)

Cheers,
Mark

Hehe... Maybe we should do this... Knielingen is my location - but i'm a "zugezogener Badenser" if this is not a problem, haha...

[Marvin Carter]

Was there about 8 years ago, it also has one of the best Armour displays I have ever seen. Great place!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[Doumet57]

It's a shame... I was living in Lorraine for a while but I never went to Speyer or Sinsheim... And I regret it.

Um so mehr daß ich auch Badenser bin... Ich war in Bühl geboren, aber nicht so viel Souvenir, Ich war Kind wenn ich zurück in Frankreich kame... Ich grüße meine "Heimatfreunden" Mark und Sepp. :ernae:

Verzeihen Sie mir ob ich etwas Irrtum gemacht habe, meine Deutsche Grammatik ist, ein bißchen, "Verrostet"...

I apologize for our english-spoken friends but it's a pleasure for me to "speak" (write) german, as I said to Mark and Sepp, like many American boys and girls, I was born in Germany.

[TeaSea]

Kein Problem,

Ich habe um Hilfe zu erhalten in diesen Tagen mit meinem Deutsch. Früher habe ich in der Lage sein zu umgehen, ohne zu viel Mühe.

Ich brauche euch alle auf dem Red Ox in Heidelberg für ein Pils oder zwei (oder drei) zu erfüllen. Theres dieses Problem mit dem Atlantischen Ozean, obwohl ....

I almost made it through that without having to check translate...I can write a little but I certainly can't speak much of it anymore. I never really got to thinking in German beyond simple sentences and phrases.

[roger-wilco-66]

Great to see that there are so many people here who have been or even lived here in Germany :-) :ernae:

I can say the same the other way around. I lived in New Haven, Connecticut for two years back in the eighties...

Cheers,
Mark

[sepp666]

Yes Mark, I think so too. It is nice to hear that some people lived here and it seems that they enjoyed it.
I can't say that i ever was in the US, but it's a dream for me to go there on holidays.
I must see an aircraftcarrier and i must see and go in touch with the mighty F-14(biggest dream). I think this is only possible at America so i must come over the great ocean.

TeaSea don't you have Holiday-houses for rent at Florida?
I know that at the Lakeland Air Museum Florida there is a F-14 Tomcat on display...-But is there a Carrier museum nearby?

[robcap]

I see a German SOH reunion coming up! I'm looking forward to THOSE pics, haha ;-)
We had a few Dutch SOH reunions in different museums, and it was always a great day!!
You must really try to get together, and share the occasion with us.

BEst, Rob

[Bjoern]

Elf Jahre Heidelberg; nie wieder (dauerhaft).

One thing I've always wondered - and maybe you can confirm or otherwise - is whether the nose glazing on the Ju-88 is reproduction, and whether they got it right.

No, they didn't. At least not in my eyes.

The He-111 also looks fairly odd, but that might just be because it's a CASA 2.111.

Was there about 8 years ago, it also has one of the best Armour displays I have ever seen. Great place!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

If Sinsheim already impressed you, Munster will make you faint.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Tank_Museum

[Geomitrak]

Thanks for that Bjoern; glad I'm not hallucinating.

[roger-wilco-66]

Kein Problem,

Ich habe um Hilfe zu erhalten in diesen Tagen mit meinem Deutsch. Früher habe ich in der Lage sein zu umgehen, ohne zu viel Mühe.

Ich brauche euch alle auf dem Red Ox in Heidelberg für ein Pils oder zwei (oder drei) zu erfüllen. Theres dieses Problem mit dem Atlantischen Ozean, obwohl ....

I almost made it through that without having to check translate...I can write a little but I certainly can't speak much of it anymore. I never really got to thinking in German beyond simple sentences and phrases.

I got it. If you happen to come over here, we'll arrange something for sure!

Cheers,
Mark

[TeaSea]

Yes Mark, I think so too. It is nice to hear that some people lived here and it seems that they enjoyed it.
I can't say that i ever was in the US, but it's a dream for me to go there on holidays.
I must see an aircraftcarrier and i must see and go in touch with the mighty F-14(biggest dream). I think this is only possible at America so i must come over the great ocean.

TeaSea don't you have Holiday-houses for rent at Florida?
I know that at the Lakeland Air Museum Florida there is a F-14 Tomcat on display...-But is there a Carrier museum nearby?

Funny you mention holiday houses. My wife and I have been trying to figure out if we can afford a house on the beach in the Melbourne area. One of our reasons was that we wanted to be able to rent it out to Europeans (for consideration on renting there). We found several properties, but the timing hasn't been right, and the insurance on a house on the Atlantic is incredibly high (past Hurricanes drove the costs through the roof). Still, we're looking.

Beyond Lakeland (I live 12 miles away) there's Fantasy of Flight and the Valiant Air Command Museum at Titusville. No nearby carriers I'm afraid. NAS Mayport in Jacksonville was supposed to be homeport for one but the Virginia Congressional delegation squashed that.