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    Lotus simulations mig-29

    I seem to vaguely remember hearing that Lotus sim had a MiG-29 in the works, but haven't been able to find anything about it...does anybody know anything about this?

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    I asked about this a few months ago, and was told by someone here that it was dropped (not sure if permanently or temporarily) in favor of a simpler project.

    EDIT: Last post by Naki here:
    http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforum...ighlight=lotus

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    ah okay. dang that's too bad I was kinda looking forward to that. oh well would definitely like to see something new from the Lotus factory.

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    Thanks James. I too would like to see something new come from me, haha.

    The MiG-29 was turning out to be a massive headache in just about every respect, and really good reference was very hard to come by. Also at the time I felt that my programming skills were not quite good enough to do proper justice to its systems. That part at least has improved over the past year, so I may still finish that project at some point, but probably not for a long while. For the past six months I have been working very hard on simpler aircraft, but I found out a couple of days ago that another developer has been working on that very same aircraft for quite some time and is much closer to completion than I am. So that one goes on the shelf now too. Just can't seem to get a break here, hehe. At least I learned some new stuff while working on it. At the moment I'm evaluating new airframe options. The main problem I face is that there are very very few aircraft that I really and truly adore, and most of those have been done for FSX already, and done well. I'll let you know what I come up with I guess... whenever I come up with it.

    Thanks,

    -Mike

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    Lotus,

    I know of a few MiG-29's privately owned in the United States.

    Perhaps you can send them a portfolio of what you did with the L-39. Maybe that will sway them into letting you come for a visit...perhaps even a ride!

    Regards, Diego




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    Good to know you are still out there Lotus!
    Your L-39 is still the definitive jet for flightsim! :salute:
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    "Your L-39 is still the definitive jet for flightsim"

    Agreed. When I first loaded and flew that plane it just oozed quality. Reminds me I want to load it and fly it tonight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dexdoggy View Post
    Your L-39 is still the definitive jet for flightsim! :salute:
    amen...I have a pretty low-end laptop (integrated graphics, etc.) so the L-39's performance optimization make it just about the only thing that I'm able to fly payware-wise. and the paintkit is awesome

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lotus View Post
    Thanks James. I too would like to see something new come from me, haha.

    The MiG-29 was turning out to be a massive headache in just about every respect, and really good reference was very hard to come by. Also at the time I felt that my programming skills were not quite good enough to do proper justice to its systems. That part at least has improved over the past year, so I may still finish that project at some point, but probably not for a long while. For the past six months I have been working very hard on simpler aircraft, but I found out a couple of days ago that another developer has been working on that very same aircraft for quite some time and is much closer to completion than I am. So that one goes on the shelf now too. Just can't seem to get a break here, hehe. At least I learned some new stuff while working on it. At the moment I'm evaluating new airframe options. The main problem I face is that there are very very few aircraft that I really and truly adore, and most of those have been done for FSX already, and done well. I'll let you know what I come up with I guess... whenever I come up with it.

    Thanks,

    -Mike

    Good luck with whatever you decide to produce in the future! The L-39 still gets regular use from me!

    Unfortuantely in the Russian-aviation realm, there are flight manuals available for various civil aircraft (I've found stuff for the Il-18, Yak-40/42, Tu-134, etc, etc) , but they consist of hundreds, if not thousands of pages, all in Russian, so a native speaking team that is already familiar with the avionics is often required.

    Of couse, the Western aircraft that I can think of that "need" to be done, usually cannot be due to ravinous legal teams! Sometimes you just can't win!

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    Thanks very much guys, I really appreciate your kind words! It's nice to hear people are still enjoying it a few years on.

    I've learned a lot since making the L-39, so whatever I come up with next will hopefully be much better. Have learned a few lessons about what not to do as well.

    And you're spot on with that analysis Sean. Trying to find an airframe that you love dearly, and which will also be reasonably popular, and for which reference is available (hopefully in English), and for which there is an accessible example to photograph and fly...and which hasn't already been done for FSX.... that's the definition of a tall order right there!

    Thanks,

    -Mike

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    Here's an English-manual for the Antonov An-2....
    http://avsimrus.com/f/documents-16/a...ish-32902.html

    Just food for thought...

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    Just be aware that Sibwings are doing an An-2...might be someway off though.

    ...and agree re the L-39..it's still one of my top flightsim aircraft

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naki View Post
    Just be aware that Sibwings are doing an An-2...might be someway off though.

    ...and agree re the L-39..it's still one of my top flightsim aircraft

    Yeah, but the most recent An-2 pictures that they seem to have (on their Facebook) are from Autumn 2010. Good thing to keep in mind though.

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    Unfortunately the An-2 is not really the kind of airplane I like. Too big, too slow, too many wings haha. I prefer the sleek, quirky, and reasonably quick and agile stuff... airplanes that you sort of "wear" rather than climb into, if that makes any sense. It's unlikely I will do anything from WW2 or earlier because other than the Spitfire there aren't many airplanes from that era that I consider intrinsically beautiful (blasphemy here I know, sorry!), nor would I do another trainer at this point I think, too much deja-vu. I'm not however restricting myself to eastern bloc or even military for that matter. Tubeliners though (of any age, origin, or form) are entirely out of the question for me!

    Thanks for the suggestion though!

    -Mike

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    What about a Harmon Rocket II? ......prefer the sleek, quirky, and reasonably quick and agile stuff... airplanes that you sort of "wear" rather than climb into, .....okay perhaps not quirky but meets your other criteria.


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    Hmm...the bad thing about military stuff is research resources. Also, systems complexity is going to be up there no matter what you do unless it's a trainer.

    Just random ideas here....(keeping in mind tubes, trainers, overly complex things, and slow things are out)


    FSX could use any of the older Sukhoi fighters, Su-17/22, Su-25, etc, but then you have the complexity issue again.

    On the civil side, something like a Dassault Falcon 2000 would be neat, but apparently Dassault's lawyers aren't very supportive of the whole flightsim thing.

    Doesn't sound like you're into rotary-wing aviation, but there could be a few options there if in fact you are.


    Any of the Saab combat jets would be neat. Lansen, Viggen, Gripen...most other combat jets other than the Russian stuff has been done already.

    Tough call really...I can't think of anything readily accessible to offer!

    In any case, good luck with whatever you decide to create. I'm sure it'll be fantastic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lotus View Post
    ...Trying to find an airframe that you love dearly... and which hasn't already been done for FSX....
    A Yak-40 maybe? Avionics are supposed to be a bit simpler than the usual russian stuff... I'm trying to portover the FS9 Suprunov SCDS Yak-40, I got the VC texture alright, but nothing will compare with a native FSX aircraft done right, just like the Lotus L-39!



    And yes the L-39 is my favourite FSX payware aircraft! Tops! Here she is with the blue panel option by Patricia and Olivier Roderiz...


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    How about a Lotus Magistar or Lotus BD-5?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ark View Post
    How about a Lotus Magistar or Lotus BD-5?
    Iris did a BD-5 (payware), and Restauravia already did an excellent Fouga Magister (freeware).

    http://restauravia.com/page11.html

    http://www.flightsim.com/main/review/irisbd5.htm

    @Vonstroheim, as much as I too would love a Yak-40 (or 42) he said no "tubeliners" so I imagine that's out of the picture. The systems are also just as complex as the Fulcrum, so we may need to aim a bit simpler for recommendations.

    Heck, I don't even know if he's actually open to suggestions, I just started throwing ideas out there.

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    Yup, starting to see my problem eh!

    I'm not averse to complexity. The L-39 was not exactly "basic" after all, but systems and gauge complexity takes time to develop to the standards simmers want, a lot of time, so it has to be something pretty special (and fun) to demand that effort. I think any plane I make would have to be able to at least perform aileron rolls and be able to pull a respectable amount of G without shedding important parts, hehe. I enjoy flying bizjets every now and then, but building one, probably not. However, show me a bizjet with 1:1 thrust to weight and four point harnesses and I'll consider it. Also 200+ knot cruise speed is something I'm looking for in any prospective airframe, though it's not a strict requirement. Most airplanes slower than that tend to become boring to me after awhile, though there are some exceptions. I am also rather fond of bubble canopies. I like to see the trees as they whiz past me, 10 feet away.

    Really at this point I have no idea what I'll do, but I do appreciate the suggestions.

    Thanks guys,

    -Mike

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    personally, I think that you should stick to Eastern bloc aircraft, IMO there's just not many developers who make really good sov aircraft like that l-39. There's plenty of devs like IRIS that consistently make US and NATO aircraft (for the most part) but none that make some soviet aircraft...I would kill for a Lotus-quality MiG-25/31. A decent foxbat is something FSX has always needed IMO

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    Always thought we could use one of these in the Sim...its one of the most popular warbirds on the market today...the Nanchang CJ-6.


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    For something a little faster perhaps a Yak-3/9 Love your L-39 its still a favorite!

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    Mike,
    how about a Tornado Gr4? The Tonka has been neglected by the payware fraternity.<o></o>



    Regards,
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    Lotus, please consider the idea of making an Aermacchi MB-339. It's a trainer very similar to the L-39 and no-one had developed a version of it for FSX.
    There's a port-over of the Cloud9, i see, but i think it would be very appreciated from the FSX community!
    Good work, whatever you'll decide to do! Cheers

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