A Lockheed "Rounder"

[Willy]

Jackpot on the Harpoon! I've got a 1945 Pilot's Handbook for it with tons of pics. I'll email it out shortly with the R-2800 TCDS. I know it's old business, but I've also got the Howard 500 TCDS as well. (I tend to collect this kind of stuff)

Still looking for Lodestar publications.

[Milton Shupe]

I keep revisiting this htail et al because the 3-view is not accurate in many ways. But with enough pictures, I continue to improve on it.

Also got the engine nacelles, tail (attached to flaps), and engine face and props in place. The exhaust ring and flaps need to be changed from the current setup.

[Willy]

Gmail won't let me mail out the Pilot's Handbook as it's pretty hefty. I'll upload it here under my name.

[Milton Shupe]

Jackpot on the Harpoon! I've got a 1945 Pilot's Handbook for it with tons of pics. I'll email it out shortly with the R-2800 TCDS. I know it's old business, but I've also got the Howard 500 TCDS as well. (I tend to collect this kind of stuff)

Still looking for Lodestar publications.

Excellent Willy! That will be very helpful.

[Willy]

It was too big for Gmail, so I just uploaded it here to the Warbirds Library in FS 2004 Other under my name. I'll ask Rami to give it a quick approval.

[Milton Shupe]

It was too big for Gmail, so I just uploaded it here to the Warbirds Library in FS 2004 Other under my name.

Great! Off to get it now.


EDIT: Got it!

[Willy]

Just emailed the R-2800 TCDS to you. It should come in handy for other projects that use that engine as well. It's supposed to cover all versions.

Back to the Lodestar hunt.

[Andre19]

I keep revisiting this htail et al because the 3-view is not accurate in many ways. But with enough pictures, I continue to improve on it.

Don't know if this close-up of the tail of a Lodestar will help.

[Willy]

Not having much luck on a Lodestar flight manual, but I did find this drawing of the radio room of a L14 Super Electra of which the L18 Lodestar was a stretched version of.

Note the odd door shape. In "Fate is the Hunter" by Ernest Gann, he described these doors on the Lodestar. (In late 1941, he was ferrying Lodestars to Brazil and has a few good tales of that experience)

[nigel richards]

Milton

During my search for sound material, I'm going to be watching a fair few video's of some of these fine aircraft.

A few I've seen already, are HD walkaround video's, clearly displaying certain features and details from varying angles.

If they could be of some value to you for 'tricky' areas, I'll create a reference list.

[Milton Shupe]

Just emailed the R-2800 TCDS to you. It should come in handy for other projects that use that engine as well. It's supposed to cover all versions.

Back to the Lodestar hunt.

Got it Willy; thanks

Don't know if this close-up of the tail of a Lodestar will help.

Got it saved with my oter stash; thanks.

Not having much luck on a Lodestar flight manual, but I did find this drawing of the radio room of a L14 Super Electra of which the L18 Lodestar was a stretched version of.

Note the odd door shape. In "Fate is the Hunter" by Ernest Gann, he described these doors on the Lodestar. (In late 1941, he was ferrying Lodestars to Brazil and has a few good tales of that experience)

Interesting to be sure; saved in my other stash. Thanks.

Milton

During my search for sound material, I'm going to be watching a fair few video's of some of these fine aircraft.

A few I've seen already, are HD walkaround video's, clearly displaying certain features and details from varying angles.

If they could be of some value to you for 'tricky' areas, I'll create a reference list.

That would be helpful; thanks Nigel.

Now, back to it for me.

Thanks for all the research. It's starting to pile up. lol

[Willy]

Heck, we're just getting started on the research.

[Milton Shupe]

Here is a research question. What is the width and length of the flap?

Modeling and animating these fowler flaps are things I like to do.
This turned out really nice and the animation looks great.

It is hard to determine sizes of these things but we will do what we can with what we have.

Here are two sequences of the animation at 0 degrees, 15, 25, and 45.

See what you think.

[mrogers]

Milton, the Harpoon props were a wide paddle blade type, here are a couple of pics to show the width of these props....
Attachment 54601 Attachment 54600

The props you've made are a work of art and they would suit the Lodestar.
The flap sequence looks great so far...the length and width looks about right, the flaps went length wise from the fuselage to the aileron I think but you would need to know from pictures and detailed drawings..

[Milton Shupe]

Thanks Mark. For now, the props are a temporary holder. I will get to the correct props eventually.

I do have the flaps modeled per the drawing. Width-wise I am not concerned (i have plenty of pictures) but the length (depth?) is a bit of guess work as they fit snuggly up in the wing in the drawing and in most pictures. Not a big issue but was curious.

Thanks

[Andre19]

Attachment 54606Attachment 54607

Some pictures of the fowler flaps of a lodestar, although not fully extended. Should be able to gestimate how far they will extend.

[Moses03]

Here is a link to download a 128 page PV-2 manual. Might be the same one that Willy found.

http://www.agplane.nl/manuals/lockhe...oon/index.html

[Milton Shupe]

Attachment 54606Attachment 54607

Some pictures of the fowler flaps of a lodestar, although not fully extended. Should be able to gestimate how far they will extend.

Thank you Andre. The Howard 500 uses 0, 14, and 38 degrees. I haven't yet looked up Harpoon's numbers. If 38 degrees then I need to back it off from 45 and it will look pretty darn close to the pics I have as well.

[Milton Shupe]

Here is a link to download a 128 page PV-2 manual. Might be the same one that Willy found.

http://www.agplane.nl/manuals/lockhe...oon/index.html

Yes, that is the same one. Thanks

[Willy]

I skimmed through the Pilot's Handbook looking for degrees of flap and other than a 20%, really didn't find much. I could have missed it though.

[Milton Shupe]

I skimmed through the Pilot's Handbook looking for degrees of flap and other than a 20%, really didn't find much. I could have missed it though.

Same here, and it seems to talk percent, not degrees.

Also, many of these pages are hard to read, and the pictures that are important, the text is unreadable, like the control stand (ECU et al).

If someone can find a better copy of the handbook, or better illustrations, it will make modeling the cockpit a lot easier.

Thanks

[srgalahad]

assuming the company is still in business-

http://www.flight-manuals-on-cd.com/Lockheed18.html

1. USAAF Preliminary Operation & Flight Instructions for the C-59
(Lodestar) Technical Order No 01-75CF-1 dated 25-3-42, approx 82
pages.

2. USAAF Preliminary Handbook of Service Instructions for the C-59
Technical Order No 01-75CF-2 dated 25-3-42, approx 253 pages.
3. USAAF Pilots Flight Operating Instructions for the C-60 & C-60A
R5O-5 R5O-4 Lodestar II, T O No 01-75CE-1 AP 2489B, dated 10-3-42
revised to 20-11-43 with approx 84 pages.
4. Lockheed Operating Instructions for the Lodestar (Model 18-56
R5O-5) with approx 105 pages.

[Milton Shupe]

assuming the company is still in business-

http://www.flight-manuals-on-cd.com/Lockheed18.html

1. USAAF Preliminary Operation & Flight Instructions for the C-59
(Lodestar) Technical Order No 01-75CF-1 dated 25-3-42, approx 82
pages.

2. USAAF Preliminary Handbook of Service Instructions for the C-59
Technical Order No 01-75CF-2 dated 25-3-42, approx 253 pages.
3. USAAF Pilots Flight Operating Instructions for the C-60 & C-60A
R5O-5 R5O-4 Lodestar II, T O No 01-75CE-1 AP 2489B, dated 10-3-42
revised to 20-11-43 with approx 84 pages.
4. Lockheed Operating Instructions for the Lodestar (Model 18-56
R5O-5) with approx 105 pages.

Oh wow! Thanks for that link.

That would be a great option and hopefully much clearer details.

[stansdds]

Wow! Another classic in the works!

[Daveroo]

ok...i know this gets old...but will it be 2004 only? or will it port to FSX?..or a FSX version?