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    she's really starting to look great! and by great i mean wowzers!

    Nigel? losing it? how can you lose what you didn't have in the first place?

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    Told you so Matt!

    The Chief wants me to do the Avia 57 sounds! He even shook his head in approval too (just like we do in Greece...if he had wanted the Avia 156 he would have nodded).

    And he said 'going' you nugget, not 'gone!

    G O I N G ! as in; "Get back to work Matt!".

    Oh no you don't, turn around this minute! You're not getting another drop of ouzo until you've painted the Gentleman's aircraft! IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
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    I did find this Avia 156 picture on the net, many times duplicated and of poor quality, plus a side view drawing.

    I have come into a "private stash" which I am not at liberty to share. They are much nicer.

    At any rate, once the "51" is done, the "156" will not be far behind.

    You can find specs on Wiki.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milton Shupe View Post
    Steady progress on all fronts,...
    Boy, I'll say! It's looking great Milton.
    Back to the library next week, but not sure I can find anything useful to you on the R 12 there. I have about run out of leads on the web, just shoes and auto refrigerant.
    Have any interior photos surfaced?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milton Shupe View Post
    I have come into a "private stash"...
    That is great. Is there any info that you are still needing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurricane91 View Post
    Boy, I'll say! It's looking great Milton.
    Back to the library next week, but not sure I can find anything useful to you on the R 12 there. I have about run out of leads on the web, just shoes and auto refrigerant.
    Have any interior photos surfaced?
    Not yet, but we haven't given up hope. {{{Fingers crossed}}}

    Quote Originally Posted by Hurricane91 View Post
    That is great. Is there any info that you are still needing?
    Definitive info on tank capacities, and anything cockpit or interior related.

    The engine data talks about 16.5 gals per hour per engine, and the only tank info I have is two brass wing tanks of 16.5 gals. However the aircraft has a range of 500 miles radius. So I think I am missing main tank capacities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milton Shupe View Post
    ...the only tank info I have is two brass wing tanks of 16.5 gals. However the aircraft has a range of 500 miles radius. So I think I am missing main tank capacities.
    My math (and assumptions) might be a bit off, but the fuel capacity given in the Flight article would seem to be a misprint. They give the fuel weight as 820 lbs. At 7.29 lbs. per imperial gallon, that puts the capacity at about 56.24 gal. per tank. Perhaps someone transcribed the fuel consumption figures as tank capacity in error. At a 142 mph cruise, the tanks would be nearly empty in a little over 2 hours with approximately 322 miles flown.

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    Avia 156 - Hispano-Suiza 12Y engine

    [QUOTE=Milton Shupe;647990]the "156" will not be far behind. QUOTE]

    And a very sleek, rarebird bird she certainly looks. Certainly no slouch for 1934 either:
    Maximum speed: 350 km/h (220 mph; 190 kn)
    Cruising speed: 330 km/h (210 mph; 180 kn)


    As I was saying to a much respected, fellow SOH member; The inline Hispano-Suiza 12Y liquid cooled engine was a French aero engine designed and developed as a standard 1,000 hp (750 kW) class engine for similar use as the RR Merlin and American Allison V-1710.
    It was used by the French to power the Morane-Saulnier M.S.406 and Dewoitine D.520 among others.

    Built also under license in the Soviet union as the Klimov M-100, it was further developed as the highly successful Klimov VK-105 series used to power the famous Yakovlev and Lavochkin series fighters!

    Interesting engine Gentlemen, hand me a spanner, the fun begins...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurricane91 View Post
    My math (and assumptions) might be a bit off, but the fuel capacity given in the Flight article would seem to be a misprint. They give the fuel weight as 820 lbs. At 7.29 lbs. per imperial gallon, that puts the capacity at about 56.24 gal. per tank. Perhaps someone transcribed the fuel consumption figures as tank capacity in error. At a 142 mph cruise, the tanks would be nearly empty in a little over 2 hours with approximately 322 miles flown.
    I agree. I will use 80 gals for the center tank and 16.6 gals for each of the two wing tanks.
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    100LL weighs approximately 6.02 lbs per US gallon ( approx 0.72 kg/liter) at "standard temperature" - defined as 15 degrees celsius (59 degrees Fahrenheit).
    Its density increases to 6.4 lbs per US gallon (0.77 kg/l) at -40 C (also -40 F) and 5.9 lbs per gallon ( 0.7kg/l) at 38 degrees C (100 degrees F).

    I know you mentioned imperial gallons but I think FS uses US gallons so maybe use that figure for the calculations. It's not a huge difference in any case.


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    Hello All:

    Well Milton, if you want that spanish livery, I am game for it, should not be difficult.

    On the other hand, the registration surprised me. Given how the Spanish Republic did "serialize" its aircraft, it is likely that all three units did make it to Spain, will scoure the documentation at home and see what I can get. I am however working out of home as we are speaking and I am not likely to get anything until next week end. Sorry about that.

    Saludos

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    Hello All:

    Well Milton, if you want that spanish livery, I am game for it, should not be difficult.

    On the other hand, the registration surprised me. Given how the Spanish Republic did "serialize" its aircraft, it is likely that all three units did make it to Spain, will scoure the documentation at home and see what I can get. I am however working out of home as we are speaking and I am not likely to get anything until next week end. Sorry about that.

    Saludos
    That would be awesome!

    No hurry as I have a bunch going on right now. Mapping for textures have not started either. Still tweaking and caressing the exterior body panels before I get serious about mapping.

    I really appreciate your efforts.
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    The Avia 156 Prototype Lives ...

    I have the basics in place ... now to add the rest of the goodies.

    EDIT: Now have the Supercharger Intake modeled so we can go kick some late '30's butt.
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    Excellent modelling and a really Art-Deco aircraft as a subject. This will most definately be ported to FsX
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milton Shupe View Post
    The Avia 156 Prototype Lives...
    Fantastic!
    Dang, you're pushing some serious polys with these birds Milton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurricane91 View Post
    Fantastic!
    Dang, you're pushing some serious polys Milton.
    Well, these two are so similar, it would be a shame not to do this one as well.

    Different sounds, flight model, but most of the textures will be the same.
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    Cowl Vents and Exhaust Headers

    Had some breathing problems, now fixed.
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    Milton, I think Tim "Piglet" Conrad has passed the baton so to speak to you for lesser known aircraft in FS9, looking forward to this rarity Sir ! Mike

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    i can't wait to turn that grey metal!

    she's a beauty! great work Milton!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flyboy208 View Post
    Milton, I think Tim "Piglet" Conrad has passed the baton so to speak to you for lesser known aircraft in FS9, looking forward to this rarity Sir ! Mike
    Ha! No one can touch the "Piglet" in that regard.

    My interest in these aircraft is not with its rarity, but with the high wings and round engines, and gear workings. Add to that the classic era designs and you have a winner.

    Just completed mapping the exterior of the Avia 156 and testing for mesh issues here with the shiney coating.
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  21. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Wynn View Post
    i can't wait to turn that grey metal!

    she's a beauty! great work Milton!
    You shall have that opportunity very soon Matt.

    Thanks
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  22. #72
    Hubba Hubba! she's gorgeous! better start moving some of the stuff out of the hangar ready

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Wynn View Post
    Hubba Hubba! she's gorgeous! better start moving some of the stuff out of the hangar ready
    LOL Like the S2Turbo Military variant?

    I finally got those pesky cockpit windows overhead cut in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Wynn View Post
    Hubba Hubba! she's gorgeous! better start moving some of the stuff out of the hangar ready
    She most certainly is.

    I think you'll have a hey day with this one on the 'alphas' Matt.

    The black outlined red lettering you mentioned the other day should probably hold out for this one too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Milton Shupe View Post
    Had some breathing problems, now fixed.
    (icon:d doubled up and out of breathe:icon)...ho...how...how about my breathing problems, can't keep up with you Chief, are you on second stage supercharger, or is this what you call; "just warming up!" (?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milton Shupe View Post
    LOL Like the S2Turbo Military variant?
    is next in the booth.... been trying to clear a backlog to get at it.... apologies for the delay....

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