Where are the trains?

**vonOben** · September 30th, 2011, 04:35

Hi

I’ve flown in OFF and ETO the last couple of years, but never seen any trains.

Do they only show up in specific circumstances?

Cheers

vonOben

**Led Zeppelin** · September 30th, 2011, 08:37

OFF I don't know.

If you are running ETO in No Spawn mode, this is the reason why you don't have trains. Trins, ships or vehicules are generated by ground.spawns (spawn folder).

**Autothrottle** · September 30th, 2011, 21:16

Try buying a train ticket before you fly to coax them out. Maybe they run on request!

***Pat Pattle*** · September 30th, 2011, 23:54

You may have to have the config sliders up high as well, I think. They're certainly around.

**Slaine** · October 1st, 2011, 03:22

Make sure your flying over Germany to see the trains. They run very efficiently. If you're over England you've got no chance. Probably the wrong type of leaves on the railway lines or "This train will terminate at Little Piddle station. Please board the bus outside the railway station for connecting routes".... Look for the buses instead

**KellyB** · October 1st, 2011, 03:48

I just had my second cup of coffee, and realized how the spawn selector works. When you turn them off, guess what? They're off! And when you turn them back on, guess what? They're on!
Moving right along, now.....:redf:

In ETO, this is the entire content of my Ground.spawns file. Is this right? Never noticed it till now.

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<SpawnControl Stop="n" HighAgl="14935.19921875" InRangeProbability="25" OutOfRangeProbability="25">
<Spawns Roll="1D1">
<Spawn ID="1" FormationType="CMP_air_friendly_int_f_6"></Spawn>
</Spawns>
</SpawnControl>

***Pat Pattle*** · October 1st, 2011, 04:00

Make sure your flying over Germany to see the trains. They run very efficiently. If you're over England you've got no chance. Probably the wrong type of leaves on the railway lines or "This train will terminate at Little Piddle station. Please board the bus outside the railway station for connecting routes".... Look for the buses instead

Nice one!

**rbp71854** · October 1st, 2011, 05:06

Nope

There are 8 ground.* named files. Depending upon what spawn selection you have chosen they will be renamed to ground.spawns.

A typical ETO expansion ground spawn will look like this, but have different call outs depending upon the spawn setting. This is the .ETOax for the axis side campaign. Which would be re-named to ground.spawns if you selected ETO campaign axis side.

RailTraffic.spawns will also call out rail traffic spawns.

Bob

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<SpawnControl Stop="n" HighAgl="14935.19921875" InRangeProbability="40" OutOfRangeProbability="40">
<Spawns Roll="1D73">
<Spawn ID="1" FormationType="CMP_Ground_British_e_aa_Battery"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="2" FormationType="CMP_Ground_British_e_train2"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="3" FormationType="CMP_ships_no_mg2_German"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="4" FormationType="CMP_Ground_British_e_armored_column "></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="5" FormationType="CMP_Ground_USA_e_truck_column"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="6" FormationType="CMP_ships_no_mg3_German"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="7" FormationType="CMP_Ground_British_e_car"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="8" FormationType="CMP_ships_no_mg3_British"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="9" FormationType="CMP_Ground_German_f_train"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="10" FormationType="CMP_Ground_British_e_train3"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="11" FormationType="CMP_ships_no_mg2_German"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="12" FormationType="CMP_Ground_USA_e_aa_Battery"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="13" FormationType="CMP_ships_no_mg5_German"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="14" FormationType="CMP_Ground_German_f_car"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="15" FormationType="CMP_Ground_German_f_aa_Battery"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="16" FormationType="CMP_Ground_USA_e_train5"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="17" FormationType="CMP_ships_no_mg2_German"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="18" FormationType="CMP_Ground_British_e_train4"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="19" FormationType="CMP_ships_no_mg4_USA"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="20" FormationType="CMP_Ground_German_f_troop_column"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="21" FormationType="CMP_Ground_USA_e_train3"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="22" FormationType="CMP_Ground_USA_e_armored_column"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="23" FormationType="CMP_Ground_German_f_train3"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="24" FormationType="CMP_Ground_German_f_troop_column"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="25" FormationType="CMP_ships_no_mg4_German"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="26" FormationType="CMP_Ground_British_e_truck_column"> </Spawn>
<Spawn ID="27" FormationType="CMP_ships_no_mg1_British"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="28" FormationType="CMP_Ground_British_e_train5"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="29" FormationType="CMP_Ground_German_f_train2"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="30" FormationType="CMP_Ground_USA_e_train1"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="31" FormationType="CMP_Ground_British_e_train1"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="32" FormationType="CMP_Ground_German_Submarine_1"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="33" FormationType="CMP_Ground_German_f_armored_column" ></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="34" FormationType="CMP_ships_no_mg_USA"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="35" FormationType="CMP_ships_no_mg_British"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="36" FormationType="CMP_Ground_German_f_armored_column" ></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="37" FormationType="CMP_ships_no_mg4_German"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="38" FormationType="CMP_ships_no_mg4_British"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="39" FormationType="CMP_ships_no_mg5_German"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="40" FormationType="CMP_Ground_German_f_truck_column"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="41" FormationType="CMP_ships_no_mg5_German"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="42" FormationType="CMP_ships_no_mg_British"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="43" FormationType="CMP_ships_no_mg2_German"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="44" FormationType="CMP_Ground_USA_e_ammodepot"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="45" FormationType="CMP_Ground_USA_e_train4"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="46" FormationType="CMP_Ground_British_e_ammodepot"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="47" FormationType="CMP_ships_no_mg3_USA"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="48" FormationType="CMP_Ground_German_f_train4"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="49" FormationType="CMP_Ground_USA_e_troop_column"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="50" FormationType="CMP_ships_no_mg_USA"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="51" FormationType="CMP_Ground_German_f_ammodepot"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="52" FormationType="CMP_ships_no_mg3_German"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="53" FormationType="CMP_Ground_USA_e_car"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="54" FormationType="CMP_Ground_USA_e_train2"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="55" FormationType="CMP_Ground_British_e_troop_column"> </Spawn>
<Spawn ID="56" FormationType="CMP_Ground_German_f_train4"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="57" FormationType="CMP_Ground_British_e_train"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="58" FormationType="CMP_Ground_German_f_ammodepot"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="59" FormationType="CMP_Ground_German_f_train2"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="60" FormationType="CMP_Ground_German_f_aa_Battery"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="61" FormationType="CMP_Ground_USA_e_train"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="62" FormationType="CMP_Ground_German_f_car"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="63" FormationType="CMP_Ground_German_f_train5"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="64" FormationType="CMP_Ground_German_f_train1"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="65" FormationType="CMP_ships_no_mg5_German"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="66" FormationType="CMP_Ground_German_f_truck_column"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="67" FormationType="CMP_Ground_German_f_train3"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="68" FormationType="CMP_ships_no_mg1_USA"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="69" FormationType="CMP_Ground_German_f_train1"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="70" FormationType="CMP_ships_no_mg1_British"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="71" FormationType="CMP_ships_no_mg1_USA"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="72" FormationType="CMP_Ground_German_f_train"></Spawn>
<Spawn ID="73" FormationType="CMP_Ground_German_f_train5"></Spawn>
</Spawns>
</SpawnControl>

Originally Posted by KellyB

I just had my second cup of coffee, and realized how the spawn selector works. When you turn them off, guess what? They're off! And when you turn them back on, guess what? They're on!
Moving right along, now.....:redf:

In ETO, this is the entire content of my Ground.spawns file. Is this right? Never noticed it till now.

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<SpawnControl Stop="n" HighAgl="14935.19921875" InRangeProbability="25" OutOfRangeProbability="25">
<Spawns Roll="1D1">
<Spawn ID="1" FormationType="CMP_air_friendly_int_f_6"></Spawn>
</Spawns>
</SpawnControl>

**Old Tiger** · October 1st, 2011, 06:35

:salute:German Trains ln ETO:salute:

Attachment 49267 Attachment 49268 Attachment 49269 Attachment 49270

**popsaka** · October 1st, 2011, 08:10

...Hey O.T., (and everyone) Are you wise to the beautiful 'Blood & Custard' coaches the ETO gang came up with? They're beautifully done and appear connected from car to car--

Also, quite a while back at my request, Jno Uk (sp?) came up with an engine-tender combo (complete with effects) which I'm surprised I don't see on your screenies. IMHO the MS loco is a lovely model but seeing it chug-chugging around with no tender just bothered the

outta me.

**KellyB** · October 1st, 2011, 10:10

Originally Posted by popsaka

...Hey O.T., (and everyone) Are you wise to the beautiful 'Blood & Custard' coaches the ETO gang came up with? They're beautifully done and appear connected from car to car--

Also, quite a while back at my request, Jno Uk (sp?) came up with an engine-tender combo (complete with effects) which I'm surprised I don't see on your screenies. IMHO the MS loco is a lovely model but seeing it chug-chugging around with no tender just bothered the

outta me.

I quite agree; a steam engine without a tender is like, well, I don't know what! I looked for Johno_UK's train, and didn't find it in the warbirds libraries. Any idea where I might get it???

***Pat Pattle*** · October 1st, 2011, 11:02

With my train spotters anorak on, 'Blood and custard' coaches in the UK are a '50's thing. No idea about continental liveries though!

In the wartime UK it would have been SR Green, LMS Maroon, GWR Chocolate & Cream and LNER Teak (with many variations inbetween).

**Daiwilletti** · October 1st, 2011, 17:07

A while back I noticed a problem that would stop allied trains spawning prior to 1942 in ETO. It may have been fixed in the last update because I raised the matter earlier. In the vehicles folder, the american locomotive's xdp file had a start date of sometime in 1942. So in Era 1 or Era 2, flying over allied territory you wouldn't see friendly trains, unless the ground spawns specifically called for another nationality of train (eg. Belgian or French).

So the first thing to check is the US locomotive's xdp file to see when the loco is available.

**Led Zeppelin** · October 1st, 2011, 23:39

Originally Posted by KellyB

In ETO, this is the entire content of my Ground.spawns file. Is this right? Never noticed it till now.

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<SpawnControl Stop="n" HighAgl="14935.19921875" InRangeProbability="25" OutOfRangeProbability="25">
<Spawns Roll="1D1">
<Spawn ID="1" FormationType="CMP_air_friendly_int_f_6"></Spawn>
</Spawns>
</SpawnControl>

Yes, when you are in 'No Spawn Mode', it means that random spawns are disable, this is to revent single missions to be polluted by them. Smply change the spawn mode and it will work.

**vonOben** · October 2nd, 2011, 04:34

Hi guys

Thanks a lot for your advises!

I've usually used the spawn "Axis side attack in the west campaign".

My sliders are at 5, except for Scenery detail which is at 3.

I've flown mostly QC missions lately, testing the scenery I'm working on. Does the trains work also in QC?

I checked the a_locomotive.xdp and it EnteredService="01/01/1942" (ETO 1.40)
Doesn't the ground spawns call for another nationality of train in earlier dates?

Cheers

vonOben

**KellyB** · October 2nd, 2011, 05:31

Originally Posted by Led Zeppelin

Yes, when you are in 'No Spawn Mode', it means that random spawns are disable, this is to revent single missions to be polluted by them. Smply change the spawn mode and it will work.

Thanks LZ. See my revised post about this: When I had my second cup of coffee, I realized this and felt sheepish for posting before at least 2 cups were in me.