Sub Pens

[Rami]

RJ,

Thank you very much for the vehicles. I will make sure they are put to good use!

I would now like to suggest, if I may, a library object idea. Could you possibly take a crack at making German WWII sub pens? I have three of them for DamBusters, but can't use them for any campaigns or missions I release because they are property of Just Flight.

I'm building a harbor facility this morning at Wilhelmshaven and feel handcuffed by having to use conventional piers and other facilities, it just doesn't feel right. Nothing I've used to this point seems authentic.

With thanks,

[Robert John]

Attachment 29174Something like this
more detail required.

[Robert John]

Attachment 29186gmax sub pen test

[Rami]

RJ,

Yeah, something like that. More detail would be required, but you already know that. It also has to have a "super-strong" .dp file.

[kdriver]

They are the CFS3 subpen textures converted from DDS format. The object is in M3D format which, I think, cannot be converted for CFS2 use.

[Robert John]

Hi Kdriver They can, but it is better once you have the model to study it and the rebuild to suit because of copyright. Thanks for the info I will take a look.
Robert John.

[Robert John]

Attachment 29437NEW Large subpen Just lods and damage to do.
Robert John

[Discus]

Thanks RJ.

Very needed target! Now we will have something for some great bombing runs with Grandslams Lancs or escort missions with great views to do.

One less item in the "Wanted" list.

Cheers, Discus

[Rami]

Robert John,

Thank you so much! I'll put it to good use immediately. :salute:

[Robert John]

Attachment 29442

I do not think I can make these subpens as gsl scenery as they are to big. They just suddenly pop up as large objects always do in gsl scenery in cfs2.
I am going to see what they look like as ordinary scenery.

Comments welcome.

Robert John

[Rami]

RJ,

I run into this problem with my ports. What I usually do is split the layouts, that way I can make them into GSL. The pop-up phenomenon is not something you can typically avoid.

What is the "pop-up" distance?

It might be easier from a GSL standpoint to split the large subpen in GMAX into halves (or quarters), and then put them together in mission builder, saving it in Mission Builder as a layout. You can then import that layout into Martin Wright's GSL editor as a layout, this making it permanent GSL.

The only catch with that is that it would become permanent GSL scenery at that location, so that web page I gave you that has the locations of the U-boat pens becomes critical, because you would have to place the sub-pens at that location, making them permanent scenery.

If you need help with layouts and GSL, let me or achim27619 know. I'll be happy to help, we can use Skype to talk about it, I can even share my screen through that program to give you a "hands-on" tutorial.

[Robert John]

Hi Rami
As Size of objects go its large for gsl scenery. I have been told by someone in the community it is better for very large objects to be scenery.
I have placed objects into scenery useing airport for windows.
Do you use airport for windows.
I can convert the gmax bgl into a api with fsregen.
I know it is hard to place a model straight out of gmax. I will need a gsl file for the docks.
The model I done is BREST SUBPENS.
If you had a sub you can go inside my model.Attachment 29451

[Rami]

Robert John,

Make sure to hang on to your source files....geez...where's simonu when you need him?

[Robert John]

Have you done the port where the Brest subpens are. If not I can place them in cfs2.If you have send me the gsl file so I can place them.
Robert John

[Jaxon]

Robert,
these look great.

I only don´t like the swastikas. Of course they were printed on every official document back then.
But seeing them on the pens looks "overdone" to me - like Nazi-Subpens of a Hollywood movie.

[Robert John]

Hi Jaxon.
I saw it on a Model on the web so I just put them in.
You can paint over them if you like.
I done the same on the large pens,same can be painted.
Thanks for your comments they are welcomed.
I must say I really like all you work, keep it coming.
Robert John

[kdriver]

http://www.uboat-bases.com/en/

[Robert John]

Attachment 29537Here is a screenshot of the large German subpen after a direct hit.
Coming soon.
Robert John.

[Robert John]

Attachment 29919A screenshot of St Nazaire Subpen.

[Oglivie]

Lookin good!!! They will be a neat CFS2 addon...Thanks for doing the project!

[Robert John]

While I am making some subpens I would like to know what subs are being used, as the stock u boat dont seem to show damage
Robert John

[Jagdflieger]

RJ,

Tango Romeo made some very nice Type VIIC boats for CFS 2 including a pilotable version. I'm not sure if they are in the library here anymore, but all of his tonnage is available over at simviation.com. As I recall, Jaxon also posted an update for the boats too.

Here's the link for the Type VIIC:

http://simviation.com/1/search?submi...ge=16&filename=

[Robert John]

Thanks got it.
I am testing my subpens. Had to rescale brest subpen it was to high. The only sub I had was the default one, but the scale for that one seems to large now I have seen another one.
I scaled the subpens from 1:1 to 0.75 in the game, really it should be 0.5 well it looks to me I compromised 50.50.
lods kick in early when it ges busy but I think you have to worry about frame rates. tho lod 100 is quite high the 80 and 40 are low. I post some action shot tomorrow.
Robert John

[Jagdflieger]

Thanks RJ. I'm looking forward to the sub pens and making some scenery with them. They ought to spruce up the Kriegsmarine ports and harbors nicely.

The stock MS CFS 2 library objects all seem to have slightly different scales from time to time. I know that more than a few add on planes were made slightly large to accomodate the larger than life stock weapons that came with CFS 2. Fortunately, most of the add ons now are of proper scale.

One of my most valued modifications to CFS 2 is a .bgl file that scales the stock bombs and rockets to that of the stock planes. If any of you would like to use it, it's attached below. I can't for the life of me remember who made it, but it's been most useful for the stock planes. Just drop it into your SCENEDB > Weapons > Scenery folder. Overwriight after saving your original weapons.bgl file.

[CrisGer]

Robert remember to try to get the roofs of the pens with that remarkable construction that deflected the bomb blasts that made the pens virtually impossible to damage with bombs of that era. Remarkable German engineering.

Good news to hear that the pens are happening..they were such a significant feature of that war. Finally they are possible to see in a sim with Silent Hunter V, you start from a very detailed pen on missoins with moving figures and wholey rendered interiors.