Man beats woman hurrendously for not dancing with him

[Lionheart]

A 'nut' was offended when a beautiful young lady wouldnt dance with him at a night club. She goes to the restroom and he follows her in, where he proceeds to pound the heck out of this poor soul, absolutely mercilessly, breaking her jaw, her left eye socket, her nose, and the left side of her skull. He kept going, slamming her face into the toilet.

They got him...


Now.. Being a Christian, I am at a point where I have to say, should we let someone like that live? Should we let someone back out into society that would do this to a defenseless woman? Will it be a kid or little old lady next?

An hour later, on the same news channel, I hear people are upset about a guy they just let out of prison who killed 5 women...

My thoughts, again as a Christian, are troubled. I would think we should take someone out, like that, and shoot them. Just get them out of here. They cannot be trusted with human life. Thats my thoughts, anyways. In the old days, you stoned them and made sure they didnt get back up. Use big rocks!


No wonder I never watch the news......



Bill

[FengZ]

I'm w/ you 100% on this one Bill.

-fz

[OBIO]

I originally had a nice post on this subject written up...but after I typed it, I realized that the subject of the death penalty can become quite political and very heated...so I will just say....let's keep this thread civil and maybe it can last more than 5 hours.

OBIO

[Quixoticish]

There is no reason for the death penalty in society and I worry about anyone who believes that there is.

There, that's my 2p on the subject, and I can't be swayed from this opinion. If you examine the situation impartially and logically from every approach then this is the only conclusion that can be drawn regarding the subject.

Regarding the OP; I have a friend who was in the exact same situation. Dancing in a nightclub, refused to dance with a chap and he turned nasty and started accusing her of being racist. He followed her into the toilets and beat her black and blue.

Fortunately her really picked the wrong person to beat up as she is a PCSO so the man in question is now having the book thrown at him in court.

It's scary when you see how many people out there have such short fuses and go out looking for a fight on a Saturday night.

[ericts]

That is why I can't stand TV news. What really offends me, almost as bad as the violent acts, is the fact that the news stations make big bucks whoring violent stories like these. News shows wait in anticipation for bad things to happen to young, white, pretty girls/women because it improves their bottom line. They may wring their hands and look sympathetic on-camera, but they react with a ghoulish sense of glee to such stories once the cameras are gone. I have observed this in person. It makes my skin crawl.

[gigabyte]

This truly is one of those subjects that evokes strong emotion and can turn ugly very quick so like OBIO says lets try to be careful with the comments.

Being a Canuck, and living in a country that has not had the death penalty for many years, the subject only comes up in our media when there is a very outrageous crime, and then the talking heads bash it about for a week and it is gone again. I am not as strongly opposed to the death penalty as Chris (although I do respect you position) I do feel there are some people who are not able to function in society and in SOME cases the death penalty is justified. I guess my biggest fear is and has always been seeing an innocent man or women put to death, and that is my main opposition to capitol punishment.

I have always felt that our justice system while it claims to be fair and to seek the truth is more often than not blinded by petty "Technicalities" and in the end offers far too much protection to accused and not nearly enough to victims and the society it is supposed t protect. The other big fault I find with the courts and justice system in general is sentencing for major crimes is not appropriate, Life in Prison should be LIFE! In Canada Life in Prison means Max 25 years before you can apply for parole, often as little as 10, and while not many get parole on the first try some do, however, their victims are still dead. Then the real outrage is over the offenders who are released and re-offend (that happens all too often) and it becomes easier to understand those who support the death penalty.

I firmly believe in second chances and rehabilitation, no question it can and does work, BUT, there are cases and individuals that have had second chances (and third etc...) and for whatever reason can not be rehabilitated or function in a civil society - is it fair or just for law abiding citizens to support these people in prisons and see them possibly go free in the future?

Tough subject, and there is no easy answer, but I do hope we can keep it respectful.

[Blackbird686]

I agree with you Bill... I would hate to think what might happen if I ever caught someone doing something like that to a woman, much less anyone for that matter.

BB686:USA-flag:

[Lionheart]

I firmly believe in second chances and rehabilitation, no question it can and does work, BUT, there are cases and individuals that have had second chances (and third etc...) and for whatever reason can not be rehabilitated or function in a civil society - is it fair or just for law abiding citizens to support these people in prisons and see them possibly go free in the future?

Gigabyte

I agree.

Thats like unleashing terrorists into the community. If they will always be a risk, a severe risk, then why deal with this. Why give it the opportunity to happen again.


I didnt mean for this to go political.. I hope it does not. I was just freaked out, literally, that this happened. Then I hear of another guy that just went free after having killed 5 people.

Luckily this woman didnt die, but man, did she come close or what?


There are indeed monsters that walk among us..

[Cazzie]

Now Bill, you are a Christian and Christ forgives. You want revenge, you have to become a cold-hearted assassin on the same level as the assailant.

Me, I am more of an eye for an eye Muslim justice; rob someone, cut off a hand; rape someone, cut off a penis; kill someone, cut off a head. It makes perfect sense to me, it is probably the only part of Islam I agree with, but it sure beats Christian justice the way we define it. Christian justice slaps a perp on the wrist and tells him not to do it again and probates him. Whack off an appendage and I guarantee perps will think twice before committing a similar offense.

He shouldn't be shot, just beat unmercifully like he did the woman, that justice in the right order.

Caz

[Snuffy]

Cap him ... have done with it.

[Terry]

Cap him ... have done with it.

Amen!

[lifejogger]

I am against capital punishment. I would rather have them spend the rest of their life in prison rather than take the chance of executing an innocent person.

[Snuffy]

I am against capital punishment. I would rather have them spend the rest of their life in prison rather than take the chance of executing an innocent person.

According to Mr. Bill's original post, they proved his guilt, he's no longer innocent so that concern should no longer haunt you.

With regards to having him spend the rest of his life in prison ... I'm tired of supporting oxygen sucking scum like this with my hard earned money. The more of these types we off, the less debt we have to support this scum.

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Bill for the record, "being a Christian" ... please note that JC came, NOT to replace the law ... but to fulfill it. Meaning that the law as originally written still stands. The law specifically stated that if a person was deserving of punishment for his crime then he should be punished. Being as how this clown practically killed this woman, should he be practically maimed as well? Ye old eye for eye routine?

I'm a firm believer that if capital punishment were more in vogue, there would be less criminal activity. Theoretically the thought process goes ... "Gee if I commit this crime and get caught, I could be snuffed out." goes a long way in stopping a person to commit criminal activity to start with.

And that's all I'm gonna say on this.

[Emil Frand]

The death penalty wouldnt have stopped this guy from doing what he did, though I agree "cap his ass" and be done with it applies he'll be charged with assault, probably serve some time and be on the streets again, probably more pissed off than he was before.
Last week in a small city near us, Appleton,WI, some perv sicko scumbag followed two 13 yearold girls in a Target located at a mall, he followed them outside and told them he was a cop and saw them shoplifting, he took one of them behind some dumpsters and moltested her. He was caught on video and was captured yesterday, he was visiting family there and was arrested in Minnesota at his home. A family member saw the video on the newss and turned him in.
These are the people that scare me, this guy will serve time and hopefully while iin prison will meet his demise in a gruesome fashion but if not he gets released, do you think the next time he does this he'll leave a witness? That sicko in California who served time for sexual assault was released then killed that 17 year old girl and is suspected in the death of another 14 year old wasnt going to take that chance of being caught again, thank god he was.
If the death penalty was in play I believe these guys would kill more of thier victims but released offenders seem to do this to cover their tracks so what do or what should be done with them? They have the highest percent of repeat offenders of all crimes and soing a simple check on the internet will show you how many live in your area.
Theres video of a father who waited for the guy who molested his daughter(or son, cant remember which) and as the guy was being led in handcuffs escorted by two cops went up and blew his frikkin brains out, to me thats justice and Im affraid to say it but Id probably do the same thing.

[Killbilly]

Now Bill, you are a Christian and Christ forgives. You want revenge, you have to become a cold-hearted assassin on the same level as the assailant.

The death penalty isn't about revenge. It really isn't about justice, either. Justice implies making amends, and there is no earthly justice that can ever make amends for what some people take from others. The death penalty is about loss of privileges. We have rights, but we can lose them. In the US we have the right to drive a car. However, our actions can cause us to lose that right when we become a danger to the rights of others because we can't control our car. We also have the right to life, and the same consequences should apply when we can't control our life. Of course, people can get their driving privileges back, but maybe they shouldn't. There is ample evidence that imprisonment does not keep violent people from victimizing others (even within the prison). The death penalty certainly does. I forgive those people and feel sorry for their miserable, pathetic choices; but I still expect them to face the consequences of those choices, and I expect our legal system to protect others from those bad choices.

Anyway, that's my two cents. All of which would go straight out the window if I actually caught someone in the act. As forgiving as I am after the fact, I don't think I could be forgiving in the moment.

[Lionheart]

Now Bill, you are a Christian and Christ forgives. You want revenge, you have to become a cold-hearted assassin on the same level as the assailant.

Caz

You see my difficulty in this.

My thought is, a monster is a monster. He did this and perhaps has done it before and perhaps will do it again as its in his blood. Unless we can put him on an island where he will stay, I think we should probably 'take him down' so he cant hurt anymore people. Its like a terrorist. They live to kill, and to kill many. Its beautiful to them. Why waist our tax money keeping a monster alive?

Although.... The thought of giving him what he gave to others comes to mind. Equal balance.

difficult..



Bill

[Willy]

I know that with horses, sometimes you just run up on one that is going to kill you regardless of what you do if you give him half a chance. Those horses are just not right mentally and are hopefully euthanized before they do kill. Some people are the same way, but unfortunately they get to kill someone else before they are put down.

[cheezyflier]

as an average joe, my opinion would be lock them up and throw away the key. i don't believe prisons should be resorts with televisions and workout rooms. i think prisoners food and medical care should either be donated by people who want to do these things, or they should work for their meals, or starve.

as a christian person, i suspect that these people are possesed. (laugh if you want, i don't care) if they can't be cleansed, lock them up. those of you who are also christian cannot rely on old testament justice because we are under a new covenant and the old laws do not apply to those who have accepted Christ. you couldn't follow all 613 laws if you tried. that was the whole point. that's the reason why the jews are the only ones still trying to follow them. because they haven't accepted Jesus, so they don't understand those laws are no longer valid.

i've seen some pretty nasty stuff, just like the rest of you. probably more/wordse than many of you.
i've been left for dead myself, after being beaten by 3 guys. capital punishment (in my view) is murder.
life in prison, is justice.

[oakfloor]

A 'nut' was offended when a beautiful young lady wouldnt dance with him at a night club. She goes to the restroom and he follows her in, where he proceeds to pound the heck out of this poor soul, absolutely mercilessly, breaking her jaw, her left eye socket, her nose, and the left side of her skull. He kept going, slamming her face into the toilet.

They got him...


Now.. Being a Christian, I am at a point where I have to say, should we let someone like that live? Should we let someone back out into society that would do this to a defenseless woman? Will it be a kid or little old lady next?

An hour later, on the same news channel, I hear people are upset about a guy they just let out of prison who killed 5 women...

My thoughts, again as a Christian, are troubled. I would think we should take someone out, like that, and shoot them. Just get them out of here. They cannot be trusted with human life. Thats my thoughts, anyways. In the old days, you stoned them and made sure they didnt get back up. Use big rocks!


No wonder I never watch the news......



Bill

As I am also a born agian Christian, and a bible reader. Let us not forget that God is the avenger, and he will take revenge in due time. We love the sinner and hate the sin, but remember this, he may very well be cast into a lake of fire to burn forever and this I WISH THIS NO ONE ..all will be judged and rewarded for there evil or good deeds while here on earth NO ONE will escape there due.. Meanwhile people like this will roam the world until someone stops them.

[Quixoticish]

As I am also a born agian Christian, and a bible reader. Let us not forget that God is the avenger, and he will take revenge in due time. We love the sinner and hate the sin, but remember this, he may very well be cast into a lake of fire to burn forever and this I WISH THIS NO ONE ..all will be judged and rewarded for there evil or good deeds while here on earth NO ONE will escape there due.. Meanwhile people like this will roam the world until someone stops them.

And those of us who aren't Christians can look after your pets while you guys are all busy enjoying judgement day. (Assuming you aren't burning in the aforementioned lake of fire, of course!)

It's a win-win situation!

http://eternal-earthbound-pets.com/

[Snuffy]

And those of us who aren't Christians can look after your pets while you guys are all busy enjoying judgement day. (Assuming you aren't burning in the aforementioned lake of fire, of course!)

It's a win-win situation!

http://eternal-earthbound-pets.com/

LOL!

MHO ... there's gonna be a lot of disappointed folks.

[Henry]

with regards to Religion and politics over this matter
i believe they really do not come into play or at least should not
this is about an eye for an eye
or a rabid dog
now does he deserve a death penalty, im all for saving money
cheaper than life in prison but there again one innocent man is too much to pay
it seems like he was apprehended and seen in the act
put him in the slammer, would he change yup but not for the reasons he needs too
he never killed anyone this time
but next time?
darn im just glad i cannot dance
the 1st commandment states thou shall not kill
that has to work both ways [Religious ]
imprisonment vs death [political]
whatever happened to the stocks, rotten eggs and tomatoes
and just put him on display
stone the sob
HenryVIII :salute:

[oakfloor]

And those of us who aren't Christians can look after your pets while you guys are all busy enjoying judgement day. (Assuming you aren't burning in the aforementioned lake of fire, of course!)

It's a win-win situation!

http://eternal-earthbound-pets.com/

Well Im not the judge God is, so you dont have a valid point. And no one will be enjoying that day sorry, And you can have all the pets you want.

[Quixoticish]

Well Im not the judge God is, so you dont have a valid point. And no one will be enjoying that day sorry, And you can have all the pets you want.

My post was meant in jest oakfloor.Anyway, talking about valid points all seems rather futile when you're discussing something subjective like an alleged invisible man living in the sky.

[Curtis P40]

Now Bill, you are a Christian and Christ forgives. You want revenge, you have to become a cold-hearted assassin on the same level as the assailant.

Me, I am more of an eye for an eye Muslim justice; rob someone, cut off a hand; rape someone, cut off a penis; kill someone, cut off a head.

Caz

I think Cazzie is on to something. Spent alittle time in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, and every Saturday in the town square was judgment day. Makes people think twice about doing something stupid. Besides, where's the modern day America or Australia to send them to?
Curt