Sikorsky S43

[Wim]

Just spotted at flightsim.com, Sikorsky S43 by G.Diemer


Wim

[Moses03]

Thanks for the HU. Will be interesting to compare to the B. Lyons classic.

[OBIO]

Just downloaded and installed....took a look at the texture files....this baby is demirrored! Thus...this one can be painted!

[Willy]

Cool.. there's a certain JRS at the NASM Gerber facility that I've always felt needed to be in FS. It's the only surviving aircraft from the Pearl Harbor attack.

[Terry]

Just downloaded and installed....took a look at the texture files....this baby is demirrored! Thus...this one can be painted!

How does the model compare to Lyon's model?

[OBIO]

How does the model compare to Lyon's model?

Better, much better. The VC is nice...haven't checked to see if anything is clickable...but the VC is nicely set up and nicely detailed. External modeling is much nicer, more detailed. Flight dynamics are nice....now, I have absolutely no idea how the real bird performed, but this one flies nice, water behavior is sweet, ground handling could do with some tweaking....differential braking would allow one to get this bird to turn better.

OBIO

[Reddog]

and it works in FSX(SP1)

[TeiscoDelRay]

Great model but I prefer Bil's version. The vc in Bill's feels more cramped as I believe the real one was. The metal texture is much better in Bill's version. Bill's feels and looks like a working plane that has a little wear on it giving me a more realistic experience.

[OBIO]

The one thing I find lacking in the new one is reflective texturing.....but I will fix that! Will fire an e-mail off to George (I thing that is his first name) and get his okay to upload a tweaked MDL with reflective texturing enabled.

OBIO

EDIT: Reflective texturing is complete. Took a few attempts. And I got the windows to look like they have glass in them instead of just looking like empty holes. The glass isn't real noticable...but it is noticable. I did quick alpha channel tweak for the forward fuselage part...looks so much nicer with reflective texturing.

[Bomber_12th]

I like it a lot, and George has been my hero ever since making the S-38/S-39's for FS2004. Attached are some images from FSX Acceleration - I just have to create some new prop disc textures, but everything else is just fine. This has got to be his finest work to-date. (I had to take a full-tour of the interior, a number of times, to take in all of the details).

[Hurricane91]

I like it a lot, and George has been my hero ever since making the S-38/S-39's for FS2004. Attached are some images from FSX Acceleration - I just have to create some new prop disc textures, but everything else is just fine. This has got to be his finest work to-date. (I had to take a full-tour of the interior, a number of times, to take in all of the details).

Oh my...!

[OBIO]

I begin nearly every project involving a radial engined aircraft with the radial engine.....and that is what I did with the S-43 as well. Radial engines are the best looking mechanic devices human kind has ever produced...and I want my sim to properly showcase radial engines. I went searching the net and found a very nice pic of a restored museum Pratt and Whitney R-1690 Hornet and used that pic to redo the stock engine texture. Much much nicer.

I am attaching it in zipped form. Hi-res 32-bit format. Save it to your system, unzip and drop the .bmp file into your S-43's texture folder. Fire up the sim and bask in the glory of radial engine beauty!

OBIO

[OBIO]

And still more tweaks...this time the landing gear. Nothing major...just slowed down the gear extension and retraction times and changed the sound calls on the floats and the tail wheel. I set the floats to Auxillary Gear...hopefully I can figure out how to use the Auxillary Gear sound calls to give this plane water sounds without interferring with the land landing sounds. Did not make any adjustments to the contact point locations...as they are spot on. I did increase the tail wheel steering angle to 60 degrees from the original 45....

EDIT: I made additional changes to the float contact points...changed them to Auxillary 1 Scrapes and was able to get the sound pack to play water sounds when on water but regular ground sounds when on land. Yippie!

point.0 = 1, -23, 0, -7.4, 14400, 0, 0.75, 60, 0.2, 2.5, 0.8, 4, 4, 0, 0, 0
point.1 = 1, 1, -5.6, -10.7, 4800, 1, 1.875, 0, 0.4, 1.5, 0.8, 5, 5, 2, 0, 0
point.2 = 1, 1, 5.6, -10.7, 4800, 2, 1.875, 0, 0.4, 1.5, 0.8, 5, 5, 3, 0, 0
point.3 = 2.000, -32.000, 0.000, -2.000, 4800.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 9.000, 0.000, 0.000
point.4 = 2.000, 18.000, 0.000, -1.500, 4800.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 4.000, 0.000, 0.000
point.5 = 2.000, 1.000, -24.500, -5.000, 4800.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 5.000, 0.000, 0.000
point.6 = 2.000, 1.000, 24.500, -5.000, 4800.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 0.000, 6.000, 0.000, 0.000
point.7 = 4, 10, -3.5, -8.4, 3600, 1, 0, 0, 1.25, 1.5, 0.65, 0, 0, 7, 0, 0
point.8 = 4, 10, 3.5, -8.4, 3600, 2, 0, 0, 1.25, 1.5, 0.65, 0, 0, 7, 0, 0
point.9 = 4, -11, -4, -7.1, 1600, 0, 0, 30, 1.25, 1.5, 0.65, 0, 0, 7, 0, 0
point.10 = 4, -11, 4, -7.1, 1600, 0, 0, 0, 1.25, 1.5, 0.65, 0, 0, 7, 0, 0
point.11 = 5, -23, 0, -7.1, 1600, 0, 0, 25, 0, 0, 1, 1, 1.2, 1, 0, 0

[OBIO]

A sound pack reflecting the Pratt and Whitney R-1690 Hornet will be forthcoming in a day or two for use on the S-43...well, any plane that used this engine actually. I will include config files for single, twin, triple and quad engine use. The lengths I go to for you knuckle draggin, cigar chewin, tater chip eatin, ale and lager gulpin, stained t-shirt wearin, unshaved and unshowered degenerates...my brothers one and all!

OBIO

[magoo]

Moses3
Thanks for the HU. Will be interesting to compare to the B. Lyons classic.

Bill's model was created quite awhile ago. A lot of his decision seemed to be based on consideration for the lower power of the average pc at the time. It's easy to see were Bill slimmed down on polys and then masterfully disquised it with beautiful texturing, particularly the powerful use of shadowing in the cockpit. (I guess an S.43 is still small enough to have a cockpit, not a flight deck??) ( The office?)
Bill's work is pure art in a painterly fashion, and I'm amazed how well his creations still hold up in our current time. Evocative, character"ish". Still looks damn sweet, I love it.

George Diemer's work. Bloody flawless in my book. Real straight up, good detail, low sodium and healthy. What did a Sikorsky amphibian or flying boat look like? Here ya go, all doubts removed, let the suspension of belief begin. George's work brings a clear technical rendering, without the sentimentality of Bill Lyons work.

I think the comparison of the same subject by these two masters is like comparing the guest artists who would paint Claude Monet's lily pond. Interesting to see, one not necessarily better than the the other, but certainly a way to gauge what it's like to see the same POV through another's eyes. Both enjoyable, communitive, and thought provoking.

Now, truly......which is the Monet....the Lyons or the Diemer....?

[OBIO]

Am I the only one who found the sea foam green interior and the dark green carpet a bit over powering and more than a bit 1980's house trailerish? I hope not...cause I went inside the S-43 and gave it a nice cream/tan/beige carpet replacement and a nice relaxing shade of blue-gray on the walls. Took the sun faded curtains and replaced them with new ones...same color, just more vibrant. I liked the seats....so I left them as they were, just used some Oxi-Clean to get the palmade stains out of the head rests.

I have never used the key commands to move around in a plane before.....didn't know the key commands for that to be totally honest....but someone had most of them listed in another thread...so I wrote them down and took a stroll through the S-43....which is when I decided that I needed to revamp the interior of the plane. George really took this plane to the limit....a bath room complete with a Dixie paper cup dispenser, a mail locker. Heck, get in the right position, and you can watch the forward hatch open and close! I will definitely be using those commands more often...too bad I couldn't move back far enough to sit in one of the passenger seats and watch the scenery go by below me.....I know....F View is available...but for some reason my system does not like that utility at all.

OBIO

[TeiscoDelRay]

Some of his Sikorsky's load very slowing into Fs9 for me, more slow than even the Wings of Power B-29. This one also loads very slow, not sure why. As for your comparison to Bill's you have really nailed it. We all like different things in our planes and models and these two are both great examples of the artist talent. I prefer Bill's but maybe because it fits like an old shoe that I refuse to throw out. Bill's flight model seems more fluid and easy going probably because Bill was a pilot and spent alot of time tweaking until his planes flew like the real thing.

[Z-claudius24]

Hi,

This one also loads very slow

Methink .. panel

[OBIO]

I got the okay from George to upload the reflective MDL tweak....will get that uploaded later today. I am working on a paint kit for the plane......getting the panel lines on the fuselage as close to the real deal is going to take some time...and the wings will take some trial and error as they presently have nothing there to work off of.

Also, you all might want to check Flightsim.com tomorrow...George uploaded a second variation of the S-43....in his words "minor variation of the S-43 for Inter-Island Airways, with different pitot mast, landing lights, and engine cowling." And he has more to come...I won't spoil the surprises so you all will just have to watch the upload at Flightsim.

Right now, I need to get to town....got to order a new lid for one of the fish tanks and pic up some stuff for our first "picknic" of the year.

OBIO

[Terry]

A couple minor tweeks needed, the props turn backward and MOI way too long. I added rotation= -1, -1 and changed MOI to propeller_moi= 50.0 There are no exhaust pipes, can these be painted in? This model looks better except for the paint, Bill's looks used, this one looks like it just rolled off the factory floor. I guess I like a little dirt, oil, and exhaust smudging for realism.

[OBIO]

Terry

The exhaust pipes are there. Look on top of the engine nacelles, right beside the air intake scoops. Exhuast pipe! In the actual location even...shape may be different than the real deal, but the location is spot on.

OBIO

[Terry]

Terry

The exhaust pipes are there. Look on top of the engine nacelles, right beside the air intake scoops. Exhuast pipe! In the actual location even...shape may be different than the real deal, but the location is spot on.

OBIO

But Bill has his on the bottom, their about 6" long. Take a look, one of them is wrong.

[Terry]

It seems their both wrong. There are two on top of each engine just behind the cowling.

[OBIO]

To make things even more complicated...here's a walk-around photo collection of the S-43 at the PIMA Air and Space Museum....this S-43 only has one exhaust pipe per engine.

http://www.primeportal.net/hangar/lu...nted_as_jrs-1/

[Terry]

Do you suppose there is another one lurking out there that Bill used for his model? I doubt that he just guessed at it.