TR's Bf 110C Versions 3 and 4

***Jagdflieger*** · March 12th, 2010, 04:42

TR's latest update of his Bf 110C is up and ready to download at: simviation.com

The VC has been greatly updated by our own Bismarck and previous skins will work on it just fine.

SdC Redux · March 12th, 2010, 05:34

Ah that must have been the reason why I dreamt about Bf110's (and the limited choice for them in CFS2) last night!

**tonybones2112** · March 12th, 2010, 20:54

Somewhere I missed versions 1 and 2 of TR's 110. I have James Grimes 110C and Paul Straney's night fighter skins for it. I have Mike Colclough and Gerald Keagan's C-4. I have 2 110 G night fighthers that were modified from Michael Gurzeka's 110 and Ground Crew's 110 G heavy fighter/night fighter. TR's 110 makes a welcome addition to the roster, I got V3 and all the skins over at Sopwith's. I don;t dogfight much, I took TR's 110 for a spin against some Soviet PE-3 heavy fighters and raised a little havoc in it, I like the way it flies.

Bones

**Wulf190** · March 13th, 2010, 13:13

Looks like TR uploaded a version 4.0. He says its the last but we will see....

**bismarck13** · March 13th, 2010, 13:26

I am still playing around with them . . .

***Rami*** · March 13th, 2010, 15:22

Version four of Tango's Bf-110c is exactly what I was hoping for for the various campaigns involving the Bf-110c, including Fall Weiss, Hellas, and BoB / BoF. There are nine different weapons loadouts, and with a small tweak, the airfile is about 97% to historical specs.

Even better, skins from the previous versions (For the Western Front and the Mediterranean) fit this updated version perfectly, so she's equipped for all theatres.

One word of warning....advance the throttle slowly and hold on tight, it's a real chore to keep her on the runway! :ernae:

**tonybones2112** · March 13th, 2010, 18:42

Originally Posted by Wulf190

Looks like TR uploaded a version 4.0. He says its the last but we will see....

Well, it may be his definite version of the C model, but we may still need a G.

he he

Bonesenstein

***Rami*** · March 13th, 2010, 18:49

Bones,

A "G" you say?

Well gee whiz, you're gonna love this!

http://www.regshanger.com/Groundcrew...for%20CFS2.php

There are also beta "D" and "E" models

http://www.regshanger.com/Groundcrew...for%20CFS2.php

http://www.regshanger.com/Groundcrew...for%20CFS2.php

The Jedi master bids you good night.

**Hurricane91** · March 14th, 2010, 09:26

Originally Posted by Rami

A "G" you say?
Well gee whiz, you're gonna love this!

...and gee as in willikers Rami, is that ever nice! Also "G" for Gem as they say upstairs.
Many thanks for the hint and the link.

**Discus** · March 15th, 2010, 04:15

Hurricane 91

Which are those textures the G is standing on? The lines that mark the joints in the concrete slabs of the parking ramp look great. And which is the hangar?

It all looks really very real!!

Discus :salute:

**tonybones2112** · March 15th, 2010, 13:50

Originally Posted by Rami

Bones,

A "G" you say?

Well gee whiz, you're gonna love this!

http://www.regshanger.com/Groundcrew...for%20CFS2.php

There are also beta "D" and "E" models

http://www.regshanger.com/Groundcrew...for%20CFS2.php

http://www.regshanger.com/Groundcrew...for%20CFS2.php

The Jedi master bids you good night.

Yaaaaaaaah! I got the G in heavy fighter and nightfighter, I did not know there was a "D" and "E"! I must have them all!

Thank you, aand a great day to you from the Master Of Horror.

HP Bonescraft

**bismarck13** · March 15th, 2010, 15:42

That there is an "F" on the horizon as well . . .

**peperez** · March 16th, 2010, 01:38

A lot of them used a pack with two nose 30mm guns, a belly pack of four 20mm guns and a schrage musik two 20mm guns in the gunner place. The radar operator used a swivel seat just behind the pilot. The plane was a hog! In my opinion, the logical way to use the BF110 was as a fast bomber and as a night fighter. It was clearly inferior to FW187 as a fighter and has the same range of the He100, that could replicate some P-51 aspects. One can imagine the Battle of Britain result if Germany used He100 escorts instead of BF110 ones.

Cheers

Pepe

**Hurricane91** · March 16th, 2010, 06:00

Originally Posted by Discus

Which are those textures the G is standing on?

Thank you Discus.

This is a place where one "G" is worth 6 "G"s, in Switzerland. The airfield is Payerne (LSMP) add-on scenery. The hangers at Payern provided a bit of contrast for the Swiss screen shots.
There is quite a story with this particular Bf-110. On 4-28-44, C9+EN made a forced landing at Dubendorf near Zurich and was interred by the Swiss. Since the plane carried the latest SN-2 radar, the Germans demanded that the Swiss destroy the aircraft. After some intense negotiations an agreement was reached. The Swiss would destroy C9+EN in return for six new Bf-109-G6s. Everyone was happy except for Hitler who was convinced that Oblt. Johnen was trying to defect. Hitler had Johnen's family arrested by the Gestapo, but fortunately Goering intervened. Oblt. Johnen and crew were returned safely and Johnen survived the war.
Groundcrew has included a short history of Oblt. Johnen in their "readme" for their Bf-110 which is a first class add-on aircraft for FS.

***Shessi*** · March 16th, 2010, 07:04

Lookin' good Bis!

A question. You are showing the F4 nightfighter fitted with the later larger FuG 220 Lichtenstein SN2 aerials, should it not be fitted with the earlier smaller FuG 202 Lichtenstein BC 'matratzen' aerial array?

Below is either a F4 or G2 fitted with them (there's not many photos of F4 with aerials!).

Sorry to be a bit of a 'spotter', I'll get my anorak....:d

Cheers Shessi

**bismarck13** · March 16th, 2010, 08:05

I have 3-views of at least 6 aerial arrays and they are for the F and G versions but not very specific which goes on what version. Easy enough to fix if I know which one to make. This side view looks like the one you show in the photo, if it is the correct one I can whip it right out. Let me know . . .

***Shessi*** · March 16th, 2010, 09:46

Well if you're okay with it, the radar aerial array on the photo and your attached view is the correct one for the earlier F models. This radar array overlapped onto the early G models with later G4's having SN2 radar with the larger aerials. Thanks.

Good on yer Bis!

Cheers Shessi

**sc7500** · March 16th, 2010, 11:56

Originally Posted by Shessi

....Sorry to be a bit of a 'spotter', I'll get my anorak....

Ch'eeze, Shessi - Even *I* had to look up THAT reference !!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anorak_%28slang%29

:ernae:

SC

**bismarck13** · March 16th, 2010, 12:20

How about this one . . .

Believe it or not, I post pics of WIPs in case someone spots something major wrong. I will just use the other version add some 30mms and call it a "G" . . . . Making Radar arrays is really not that hard after making all the really fun stuff like bomber nose glass and canopies. And I don't get all riled up either, I remember when someone made a Me210 for FS9 with the cannon totally wrong and I got reamed for pointing it out. Anyway, I just fix it. It is a lot harder to fix after you upload it, in fact at some sites they just leave the fouled up model there for download even after you send a fix for it . . .

**Sopwith Chameleon** · March 16th, 2010, 14:06

Originally Posted by Shessi

Lookin' good Bis!

A question. You are showing the F4 nightfighter fitted with the later larger FuG 220 Lichtenstein SN2 aerials, should it not be fitted with the earlier smaller FuG 202 Lichtenstein BC 'matratzen' aerial array?

Below is either a F4 or G2 fitted with them (there's not many photos of F4 with aerials!).

Sorry to be a bit of a 'spotter', I'll get my anorak....:d

Cheers Shessi

...............its a "G" - no oil cooler inlets on the spinners ..............

...............can I borrow your anorak - I really need to get out more ...........

***Shessi*** · March 16th, 2010, 15:03

What a gent you are Bis. That's spot on!

SC, I've got your's warming on the radiator...:d

Cheers Shessi

**Hurricane91** · March 16th, 2010, 15:16

Originally Posted by bismarck13

How about this one . . .

That really looks nice Bismark.

**tonybones2112** · March 16th, 2010, 18:06

Originally Posted by bismarck13

That there is an "F" on the horizon as well . . .

I must have them all!

Bones

**tonybones2112** · March 16th, 2010, 18:34

Originally Posted by peperez

A lot of them used a pack with two nose 30mm guns, a belly pack of four 20mm guns and a schrage musik two 20mm guns in the gunner place. The radar operator used a swivel seat just behind the pilot. The plane was a hog! In my opinion, the logical way to use the BF110 was as a fast bomber and as a night fighter. It was clearly inferior to FW187 as a fighter and has the same range of the He100, that could replicate some P-51 aspects. One can imagine the Battle of Britain result if Germany used He100 escorts instead of BF110 ones.

Cheers

Pepe

Pepe, I agree with you 100 percent. I feel by 1942 the Bf-109, though a fine plane, was obsolete when compared to some of the planes they met and fought against. The -110 was a fine interceptor of heavy bombers, but were dogmeat in a dogfight. One of my favorite planes in CFS2 is Thicko's Gladiators and for a passtime go up against 110s as fighters and I've lost count of the 110s I've shot down in a Gladys.

I'd love to have the programming skills to modify one of the 110s made for CFS2 into the early Schrage Musik experiments mentioned by Cajus Bekker in LUFTWAFFE WAR DIARIES. I found some info years ago confirming his description at the USAF Museum. The groundcrew of one pilot cut up oak railroad ties to mount a pair of MGFF firing upwards. I'd love to see TR do an early NF version of his 110 with the upward firing guns, if not a -G, a modified -C.

I have an He-100, I'll have to unip it and fly it.

Bones

**tonybones2112** · March 16th, 2010, 19:05

Originally Posted by bismarck13

How about this one . . .

Believe it or not, I post pics of WIPs in case someone spots something major wrong. I will just use the other version add some 30mms and call it a "G" . . . . Making Radar arrays is really not that hard after making all the really fun stuff like bomber nose glass and canopies. And I don't get all riled up either, I remember when someone made a Me210 for FS9 with the cannon totally wrong and I got reamed for pointing it out. Anyway, I just fix it. It is a lot harder to fix after you upload it, in fact at some sites they just leave the fouled up model there for download even after you send a fix for it . . .

Bis, I say, correct an inaccuracy though the heavens fall. I've encountered some of these condescending FSX/FS2K2/FS2K4 jerkoffs who say to me, "oh, you like killing people?" Yeah, that's what a COMBAT sim is about. They remind me of The New World Order command in 1970 that all toymakers were to cease making "war toys" because it encouraged children to be "violent". They were a bit late for me. I can think of nothing stupider than a Ju-88 or other warplane for FS2K2/2K4. Flying from airport to airport in a warplane without strafing civilians is a bit boring for me. I got Alpha Sim's P-47 for Valentines Day, there is a FS2K2/FS2K4 download version. Why? Can you fly combat missions in either? I had a few extra bucks and got Icarus's CR-32 with all the skins. There are FS2K2/2K4 downloads. Can I bomb Madrid in FS2K4?

Bones