P36 exclusive screenshots

**Deano** · February 15th, 2010, 15:21

Thanks to Tim-HH we now have some nice in game screenshots of the P36 Hawk. Work is going well and we're in full flow now, so expect more updates of the forth coming weeks.

**b52bob** · February 15th, 2010, 15:25

BEAUTIFUL piece of work!

**Lewis-A2A** · February 15th, 2010, 15:29

The Precious! wants

MCDesigns · February 15th, 2010, 15:30

Wow, fantastic shots, love the shadowing/AO on the textures, are those baked?

**Warrant** · February 15th, 2010, 15:45

Sweeeeeeeet!

**Bomber_12th** · February 15th, 2010, 16:13

Dean, I am really looking forward to a FSX-native P-36, as I am a huge fan of the whole Hawk series of fighters! As a constructive piece of criticism however, the canopy and windscreen assemblies aren't quite right. Please compare the following photo, to the 5th photo in your post, and take into consideration the differences in proportions and shapes:

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Untit...c3c55d58a01b50

Here is another showing the canopy shape from the front-quarter:

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Curti...c3c55d58a01b50

I hope you understand where I am coming from, and I am only offering such advice so that the product can be the best it can. Unfortunately I don't have any detailed drawings at this time, of this area on the aircraft. Everything else looks very nice indeed!

Edit: By the way, it would be great to see a pre-war, USAAC scheme, with overall-polished metal, included with this product!

**Deano** · February 15th, 2010, 16:26

Originally Posted by Bomber_12th

Dean, I am really looking forward to a FSX-native P-36, as I am a huge fan of the whole Hawk series of fighters! As a constructive piece of criticism however, the canopy and windscreen assemblies aren't quite right. Please compare the following photo, to the 5th photo in your post, and take into consideration the differences in proportions and shapes:

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Untit...c3c55d58a01b50

Here is another showing the canopy shape from the front-quarter:

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Curti...c3c55d58a01b50

I hope you understand where I am coming from, and I am only offering such advice so that the product can be the best it can. Unfortunately I don't have any detailed drawings at this time, of this area on the aircraft. Everything else looks very nice indeed!

Edit: By the way, it would be great to see a pre-war, USAAC scheme, with overall-polished metal, included with this product!

thanks for the heads up. We will be releasing 10 schemes with the aircraft once released.

Ken Stallings · February 15th, 2010, 16:31

You know, I used to remember the running joke about "rivet counters." You know, the folks who would obsessively count the rivets, note their position, and say one was crooked.

Of course, it was meant in hyperbole to point out people who were being a bit unreasoned in their expectations.

Well, today, it seems the "unreasonable" has become the reality!

When I look at screenshots like that, I really think the rivets truly are all there, and in the right places, and there really isn't anything left to say in terms of want for the exteriors of these virtual aircraft.

And that rudder! I swear I feel like I can reach out and touch it doing a pre-flight! I just looked so real!

Ken

**Old Crow** · February 15th, 2010, 16:35

Holy Cow! That it Beautiful. :ernae: The P-36 is definately one of my all time favorites. Cannot wait to fly it. Wonderful work people!

**c87** · February 15th, 2010, 16:58

For the P36/Hawk 75 fans, the latest issue of Flight Journal magazine focuses on this airplane (more specifically, the French air forces in WWII that used the aircraft). There's a great shot of the airplane on the cover. And I'd have to agree that photos in the magazine show a rounder front windshield at the top portion than what's conveyed in the screenshots. I have to say though that that model looks superb.

**Scratch** · February 15th, 2010, 17:06

Originally Posted by Bomber_12th

Dean, I am really looking forward to a FSX-native P-36, as I am a huge fan of the whole Hawk series of fighters! As a constructive piece of criticism however, the canopy and windscreen assemblies aren't quite right. Please compare the following photo, to the 5th photo in your post, and take into consideration the differences in proportions and shapes:

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Untitled-(The-Fighter/Curtiss-H-75A-1-Hawk/1522631/L/&sid=64e5ae383ea00b6fa2c3c55d58a01b50

Here is another showing the canopy shape from the front-quarter:

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Curti...c3c55d58a01b50

Hmm......I'm not so sure. I think we need to see more screenshots.

**Bomber_12th** · February 15th, 2010, 17:42

Dean, I just want to make sure that I don't sound like your 'ordinary pest', or anything. For the casual simmer, or for someone simply giving the work a nod (which I could be inclined to do as well, since it a very beautifully done rendition) it would be a waist of time to go back and redo anything that has already been done.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com

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There are some very clear photos of the windscreen construction, and I especially like how, per this being a French example, some of the placards/stencils are written in French, even onto the canopy crank assembly. The overall impression of the cockpit is quite similar to a P-40B/C pit, looking very "1930's".

C87, I too have that magazine, and agree that it provides some great photos and a bit of history on the Hawk 75 heritage.

**Murray Cod** · February 15th, 2010, 18:02

looking at the title of the thread didn't get me excited, but HOLY COW that is one great looking model. I might have to add it to my hangar after all.

rsgunner · February 15th, 2010, 18:23

That is outstanding!

Russ

Ken Stallings · February 15th, 2010, 18:23

Originally Posted by Bomber_12th

Dean, I just want to make sure that I don't sound like your 'ordinary pest', or anything. For the casual simmer, or for someone simply giving the work a nod (which I could be inclined to do as well, since it a very beautifully done rendition) it would be a waist of time to go back and redo anything that has already been done.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com

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There are some very clear photos of the windscreen construction, and I especially like how, per this being a French example, some of the placards/stencils are written in French, even onto the canopy crank assembly. The overall impression of the cockpit is quite similar to a P-40B/C pit, looking very "1930's".

C87, I too have that magazine, and agree that it provides some great photos and a bit of history on the Hawk 75 heritage.

You certainly have an eye for detail!

Your photos show the situation quite accurately.

Ken

**ryanbatc** · February 15th, 2010, 18:33

Originally Posted by Lewis-A2A

The Precious! wants

lol, One "Card" to Rule Them All

Ooh, looks really nice, is this the same company that's making that SBD?

**stiz** · February 15th, 2010, 19:00

very nice!!

by the way dean, an avro anson or airspeed oxford would be great if you dont know what to build next

***OBIO*** · February 15th, 2010, 19:06

Since my computer can't run FSX....and there is little hope of having a system that will run FSX for quite a long while...I am simply going to say:

That is the absolute worst rendition of a P-36 I have ever seen. The details are all wrong, the wheels are on backward, the pilot is cross-eyed, the plug wires are too short, the glove box is full of old McDonalds ketchup packets, the left turn signals don't blink at the correct rhythm, and there are 12 rivets in the wrong spot.

Of course, I am just showing my total envy of you folks who can run FSX and who will get to fly this work of art and see those details time and time again. Superb workmanship and attention to detail! I agree with Ken Stallings in that it seemed like one could reach out and touch this plane...so very life like, so tactile.

OBIO

**warchild** · February 15th, 2010, 19:19

afraid the canopy does appear incorrect.. But, its an easy mistake to make.. not so easy to correct sometimes.. But you see, at that period in history, there existed three planes.. The model 75 which in america was the P-36. The A-36 and the A-37. Ther P-36 was made by curtiss, the A-36 was made bu north american, and the A-37 was made by curtiss.. The A-36 went on to become the P-51. it had a semi rectangular canopy frame around the windscreen, The A-37 went on to become the P-40 with its curved bent tubing for a canopy frame. However, in different ways, each of these planes resembled each other.. This is most likely the reason for the continuing debate as to which aircraft inspired the design of what other aircraft.. I can say that the way the canopy is currently modeled, is much harder to do in max, than simply taking a tube and bending it in the middle which is pretty much what curtiss did..

Now, what maintains a question in my mind, and therefore keeps me from pronouncing the shape incorrect is the fith and sixth photographs on this page.
http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/URG/p36hawk.html
here you can clearly see the odd shap of the windscreen frame from the side and front left quarter. Rather than a simple bent tube, the frame comes up, then flattens out and curves forward around the top of the windscreen. The rest of the canopy frame is composed of bent tubing, but that first one is far more complex. Easy to do with a welding jig, but not the easiest to do in 3D..

Please remember too, that this is an alpha model.. At a time when another plane is due for release, it was rushed through so my people could start doing what they do best, which is making it sit and fly right..

**warchild** · February 15th, 2010, 19:26

Originally Posted by Old Crow

Holy Cow! That it Beautiful. :ernae: The P-36 is definately one of my all time favorites. Cannot wait to fly it. Wonderful work people!

Old crow,
Glad to hear that.. We're pretty sure we have the engine dialed in, and the basic flight model is ready to move to beta testing now.. I'll be honest. its a blast to fly. We're still trying to dial in its stall and spin. The P-36 had a rather nasty stall/spin entry thats been quite challenging. but my lead tester has promised me that he'll drive me completely nuts if need be to get it right..

**Bomber_12th** · February 15th, 2010, 21:07

Pam, based on those photos, I'm sorry, but I don't see any difference than in any other P-36 or H-75 windscreen photos you will come across - as the windscreens are all the same. All I am frankly concerned about, is the canopy profile shape, head on. While it may or may not be important from the exterior to some, this will be extremely pronounced, when actually sitting in the cockpit, looking forward and around. As in the photos I have linked to, showing the H-75/P-36 windscreen, there was no bent tubing used. The main beam, creating the shape of the canopy, is just that, a flat curved beam, with a strengthening support tube, as a cross-member, with two pieces of thick bracing wire, at the front. There is indeed a lip that comes out, from the main structural beam, extending a bit over the glass, which may be giving you some illusions, if just looking at old photos. The plexiglass, is how it has been modeled, as a single piece that wraps around. As you state that it is only an alpha version, all the better that any kinks get worked out now, rather than later.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com

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Some further great photos of the Fighter Collection's Hawk 75, can be found by scrolling down to the links coinciding with the aircraft (any and all details you ever wanted to see on the aircraft):
http://www.aircraftwalkarounds.be/Wa...s_English.html
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By the way - the A-36, was a development from the original P-51 design, which was a whole generation (and several years) in aeronautical design following the P-36 and P-40. Of course the Curtiss fighter designs followed one another, using the findings secured from the model before. P-36 windscreen is very much the same structure that is incorporated into the P-40B/C models, except for the P-40B/C's introduced a panel of bullet proof glass.<o

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I think I have said all I really can at the moment, and with the likelihood of making more enemies than ever, I guess I will just keep my mouth shut from here on out, unless you insist on further 'proofing' by a guy like me - and just to level the playing field, I am speaking as a developer myself, who knows exactly what it would take to redo what has been done, whether it be modeling or texturing, and not someone shouting from the sidelines, having had no experience doing the same work. As I have expressed before, I am one of the biggest, true fans there could be for having an accurate H-75/P-36 in FSX, and I look forward to the day it is released, as someone who will certainly be a customer.

***jankees*** · February 15th, 2010, 23:42

OUTSTANDING!

Where do I sign up?

**Lionheart** · February 15th, 2010, 23:55

Awesome work on that bird! Goodness. Love the bump mapping and textures. Shading is photo real....

Bill

**warchild** · February 16th, 2010, 00:01

Originally Posted by Bomber_12th

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I think I have said all I really can at the moment, and with the likelihood of making more enemies than ever,

you wont make an enemy of me bomber.. not this easily ::chuckles::.. ya gotta try lots harder

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**Deano** · February 16th, 2010, 00:09

Originally Posted by stiz

very nice!!

by the way dean, an avro anson or airspeed oxford would be great if you dont know what to build next

Im still thinking hard about the Airspeed Oxford :salute:

But theres still another 2 aircraft that I havent announced yet and its going to be a busy year for us.

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