The Ongoing Mystery Aircraft Thread Part Deux.

[pomme homme]

Thank you, srgalahad. I don't think that we've had a helicopter for a while. So here's a not particularly successful one.

[giruXX]

Airmaster H2-B1 from

[pomme homme]

Spot on. Over to you, Uli.

[giruXX]

on with an amphibian

[Moses03]

Seen it before but can't recall. Pretty sure it is European.

[lefty]

It is Zygmunt Pulawski's P.Z.L.12 And it has been here before....long ago.. Sadly Zygmunt met his death in it at the age of 29.

[giruXX]

Welcome back, Mike!

Yes it is the PZL-12 or PZL-H A one off

[lefty]

Thanks Uli - been having one of my sabbaticals in Madeira - eventually....
Here's a rather smooth-looking machine -

[Moses03]

Good to see you Mike!

At first glance it looked like the 1915 Verville pusher. That also looks like a Letord fuselage in the back which means this must be from the UK!

[lefty]

Correct, but not a Verville. Indeed, Kevin, this machine is on show at the 1914 Oympia Air Show. Designed to carry a gunner in the front cockpit. Not a success due to longitudinal stability issues. (and I know all about those..) Monosoupape engine.

[pomme homme]

It looks rather like the picture of the 1914 Vickers' gun carrier that appears on page 75 of Jane's Historical Aircraft from 1902 to 1916, which I presume to be the predecessor to the F.B.5 Gunbus.

[lefty]

Not the Vickers, Mike - note the sweepback on upper and lower wings - Vickers were dead straight.
This much smaller company produced a wide variety of aircraft, military and civil, until after the war (WW1), then reverted to motor car production.

[pomme homme]

Grahame-White Type XI Military?

[lefty]

That's the one, Mike. Have a poncha on me.....

[pomme homme]

Thank you, Mike. I'd accept the libation offered if only I could find my caralhinho ..... !

Here's something that, perhaps, is not the most aesthetically pleasing of designs.

[Moses03]

RWD 20 Mike?

[pomme homme]

European, but not Polish, Kevin.

[pomme homme]

From a well-known and prolific manufacturer. The plans for the production of this model were rather unusual.

[giruXX]

Morane-Saulnier MS.660

[pomme homme]

That's it, Uli. Back to you.

[giruXX]

Thank you Mike,

here is something new according to my research in this thread

[Dev One]

Very close resemblance to a Comper Mouse.......
Keith

[giruXX]

wrong country, Keith!

However, there is another more famous look-alike which could lead to its country of origin !

From a well known light-aeroplane company.

[pomme homme]

I presume that the more famous lookalike is the Bf 108?

[pomme homme]

I presume that the more famous lookalike is the Bf 108?

..... which might suggest that the mystery is the Fieseler Fi 97, which doesn't seem to have put in an appearance here hitherto. However whilst the fin and rudder seem right for that, the aft cabin window, elevators and undercarriage do not seem to be. So I assume that I'm barking up the wrong tree - again!