The Ongoing Mystery Aircraft Thread Part Deux. - Page 625

Thread: The Ongoing Mystery Aircraft Thread Part Deux.

  1. #15601
    That Sir is a Wackett Widgeon.

  2. #15602
    That's correct, Sir It's G-AEKB

    All kinds of Wacketts have appeared here before but not yet the Widgeon, AFAIK.
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    gX

  3. #15603
    Thanks Uli (if you don't mind we call you that).


    Keeping the biplane theme going...


  4. #15604
    Too late for WWI, this experimental design killed the test pilot on its first flight when the wings folded in right after take off. Nothing further was heard from this company as the order was cancelled.

  5. #15605
    Didn't think this one would stop things down. It's the Lanzius Varible Camber or Speed Scout Pursuit that crashed in July 1918. The last of several experimental designs.

    Open board please.

  6. #15606
    Oddball machine, Kevin. Even more curious is that supported wall in the background - looks like backdrop scenery for a Buster Keaton movie !

  7. #15607
    With apologies for tangentialism, but if that building is a film prop - please excuse the unintentional pun - haven't the buttresses been put on the wrong side? Maybe when the film producers saw it, the order was cancelled and nothing further was heard of the set designer!

  8. #15608
    Looks like he went on to design aircraft........

  9. #15609
    Looks like the building has been "photoshopped" out. If you look at the edge.

    Chris

  10. #15610
    Had kind of come to that conclusion, Chris, only it doesn't explain the odd buttressing....

    Anyway, we're on OH, so here's a wee mystery - I posted this a while ago and nobody got it - perhaps some of our newer colleagues will ? (a clue there....)
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  11. #15611
    In the lowest vocal range. Where? What a gem!

  12. #15612
    Well, I know it as Bassou - SCAL Rubis 01, F-ALZZ whatever this means?
    _
    gX

  13. #15613
    Seems like a VERY early prototype of the Khrunichev T-411

  14. #15614
    A veritable barrage of answers - ph, modest and retiring as ever, declined to name what he patently knew, so gX gets the refreshment Yet another French flight of fancy. As for Khrunicev, I cannot comment. The 21st century is not really my era.....

  15. #15615
    Didn't mean to start a discussion on the buildings in the background. Chris is correct, as I had cropped out a frontal view that turned out to be google searchable. You know how I dislike that cheat!

    (Original pic attached).
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  16. #15616
    For some difference:
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    gX

  17. #15617
    Breguet 941

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    Hi giruXX
    That looks like an McDonnell MDC-188 (aka MDC-941, aka Br-941S)

  19. #15619
    et bien sur! to Pomme homme

    Breguet 941 aka McDonnell 188
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    gX

  20. #15620
    Du bist sehr freundlich, giruXX.

    Now here's a tubby wee thing .....


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    Hi PH
    F-WCDG which I have as the (around 1951?) Moineau by Mr. George Sauvageot. However, I have also seen her described as the ASO-1050 (ASO for Air Sud-Ouest ??)
    I`m sure you have a fitting key to unlock this

  22. #15622
    You've nailed it, Walter - and come up with a third name for it! Online it's called Sauvageot 'Le Moineau' whereas Pierre Gaillard gives it as the SEA [standing for ?] Moineau. The ASO 1050 is a new one on me. I have it as dating from 1955.

    It must have been kept in the 'rarities' hangar at Toussus le Noble or Guyancourt (?) as the aeroplane in the background, whose registration mark I had to blank out as well, is the ill fated SFCA Lignel 44 'Cross Country' F-BAIC in which Louis Clément lost his life when the port mainplane detached and he spun in at Gand in Belgium in May 1955.

    Over to you, sir.

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    Thank you PH
    Sorry, but no idea where SEA comes from. Obviously a homebuilt that was built and flown around France and no details to be found. Should be a law against that!
    Next challenge a small bipe which may still exist, as I understand she was donated to a museum.
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  24. #15624
    If you'll excuse the intrusion, Walter, a couple of shots of your ill-fated Lignel 'Crosscountry'. This appears, like many French prototypes, to have morphed from 'F-W***' to F-B***'. Why, please ?
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  25. #15625
    It is my belief that F-W### is the registration series for what in the USA would be described as 'experimental' aircraft (not necessarily small and homebuilt - I photographed an A.400 carrying the registration mark F-WWOW) and that if and when they satisfy the criteria of the CDN/CDNR or CNRA registers, they migrate to that usually, it seems, carrying the last three letters of their 'experimental' registration mark. So theoretically, if an aircraft carried the 'experimental' registration mark F-WAAA one would expect it subsequently to become F-B/G/HAAA (on the CDN/CDNR register) or F-PAAA (on the CNRA register). But that's not necessarily the case. Some aircraft seem to have carried their F-W### registration marks for ages and never migrated to a F-B/G/H/P### mark. F-WCDG is an example of this - F-BCDG was a M.S.500. Thus it leaves me wondering whether the DGAC reserve a CDN/CDNR/CNRA registration mark for an aircraft and then require it to carry the same mark but with the initial B/G/H/P replaced with a W during its 'experimental' period because, that way, there a better chance of being able to carry the last three letters of its registration mark from F-W### to F-B/G/H/P###, knowing that the latter has not already been allocated, rather than allocating a F-W### registration mark sequentially, only to find that when the aircraft migrates to the CCDN/CDNR/CNRA register it has to take up a mark with four different letter anteceding the national letter. And if the aircraft doesn't migrate, perhaps then the DGAC issues the correlating mark to another aircraft (as was the case with F-WCDG and F-BCDG). Anyhow, as I've said, that's my belief but I'll try to make enquiries of some who are more likely to know than believe!

    P.s. please don't ask me what happens when an aircraft moved from 'experimental' to the French ULM register, the marks for which comprise the number of the département in which it is registered (e.g. 79 for Deux Sèvres) plus two or three letters (e.g. 79-AA).

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